$1700ish, I can buy a 2,300 square foot home with an attached 3 car garage and 1 acre of land. To put that into perspective, that home is 17 times the size of the apartment for the same money........and Kansas isnt even in the top 10 for cheapest states to live in.
You must have missed out a few zeros? You can buy a house for $1700? A house like that in the UK would be at least £170,000 (I know you get slightly more dollars to a pound). Realistically a big house with a 3 car (and your probably talking about american cars which tend to be bigger) and an acre of land will probably be upwards of £300,000. You cant really buy anything for under £50,000 and then its a 1 bed ex-crack den. Instead of complaining about Cali look at how expensive it is to live in the UK
Well, I guess I should have been more specific. I was saying that it was $1700 in monthly payments. Things like the mortgage payments, utilities, and property taxes. When you take all those together, then it is $1700 per month, the same amount as the apartment that is barely bigger than a jail cell in LA. Which should make a bit more sense, yes? (the actual house cost around $260,000 if you were to pay in full, just FYI)
Wow, there must be two different Oregons for that to be true. No, I think I just might be a bit older than you, or remember what happened with housing starting in the 90s, as I explained in my long post. Unfortunately, every single person from LA I have ever met was much like the one you described, with one single exception: my sister's former neighbor. He fit right in Portland because he was a laid-back kind of guy who made a living woodworking. Unfortunately, he passed away not too long ago, so my last vestige of hope for Los Angelians was lost.
Well, for one thing I was born in '93, so I would imagine that you may have witnessed a bit more of the changes in the housing market, while I grew up to find the results. I can see where a lot of the gentrification has happened in North Portland (where I grew up and still live), and in the "hipster strips" like Hawthorne, but I didn't really get to see as much of what they were before. Plus, a few of my close friends were born in CA and their families moved up here when they were young, so it's hard for me to hate transplants entirely. I do still find them annoying as the housing options seem to be increasingly divided between "bed bugs and drug deals" or "sustainable, eco-friendly, $1800/mo" with very little available in-between.
Also, most of your examples seem to be describing more rural areas of Oregon, which often is an entirely different Oregon than the liberal oasis that is Portland. I've lived in the city for all of my life, so really my only experience with that part of Oregon is when I visit my grandparents who live south of the Cascades. Personally, I'd also like to consider the suburbs surrounding Portland to be a third version of Oregon, because those places are so white and toxic it's like someone poured bleach on them.
As a Californian, born and raised, I can honestly say... that I fucking hate traffic from LA and beyond, I don't like how even my California map shirt lacks the cities some of my fellow "Cali" friends live, and if you hate the weather here in California, then we would be the best of acquaintances from a general perspective...
Other that that... I blame the stereotyping of any state, in terms of anyone hating a state in general... I think it's some kind of political standpoint to even hate a place you've never been to in the first place because you won't see me hating where you live until I actually go and try to live there for "a good year or two"... (Plus, I have reached the point that rain does not exist here in San Diego and anytime it does, no one knows how to handle this stunning revelation of rain existing, especially when it comes to drivers in general...)
You would say that, you filthy Bushwacker! You tried to cross the border and illegally vote to make us a slave state, then instigated a civil war when we cried foul by arming the pro-slavery militias and crossing the border to launch attacks on anti-slavery settlements! You disgust me!! *spits on grounds*
I was browsing around the escapist when I read the comments in this thread and there were jokes about nuking California.
I'm from Australia so I got that they were jokes but not why people were making them so I wanted to know if there is a common dislike of California that I don't know about.
California is artificial. Dangerously so. Everything must be cool, in style, and must be pop culture. And it dictates culture and then views. Which creates a feedback loop that filters out in other states.
California can't tell whats real or fake anymore, and that goes into the real world. Before you ask, yes people are gullible enough to change their views after seeing one movie.
God forbid we cite scholarly articles, RAMBO is all the educational material we need!
California politicians seems to think hackers are something like this:
So people like Feinstein keep putting forward overly restrictive laws to "protect us" from these "elite hackers."
Or that Nuke plants are dangerous because movies say so. Or that all guns have a 100% hit and kill rate and can somehow blow up tanks because Rambo did it.
so on and so forth. Pop Culture being the answer to everything. They let media dictate reality way too easily and it is in every class level all the way up to politicians. Its like Obama trying to ban throwing knives because they are "OP" in COD so they must be one hit kill machines in real life.
Back when Hitler was first starting out, California doctors sent out information on Eugenics everywhere and how it was cool and hip. California had a law to sterilize unfit people until the 1960s.
The law was so effective, it inspired Hitler to try it out.
So California's insistence to be a trendsetter might set some awful things in motion and might actually harm progress instead of help it. Especially if its based on pop culture and not facts and science like the Eugenics situation proved.
California pushes trends on everyone else regardless of its veracity. Sometimes bad things happen. Its also known as the Liberal Florida.
Its where the Democrats shove their ideas down people's throats like Republicans do with Florida and Texas. Which are also hated states.
TLDR: California has been a media state so long it forgot whats real and what was made up. Now the state is full of fake people that revolve around hot trends that often look ridiculous.
Like real glasses being uncool. But thick urkel glasses without lenses are cool.
I don't know why people say Florida is Republican. It's not. In fact it's pretty much the only state in the Deep South to have a Democratic majority. Now for the record that majority is so slim that the elections in Florida might as well be decided by a coin toss but it's a majority none the less. I chalk that up to all the people from the northern states vacationing here but let me tell you Florida IS NOT Alabama.
You would say that, you filthy Bushwacker! You tried to cross the border and illegally vote to make us a slave state, then instigated a civil war when we cried foul by arming the pro-slavery militias and crossing the border to launch attacks on anti-slavery settlements! You disgust me!! *spits on grounds*
I'll see your joke and raise you a "you can't make this crap up" real joke from history.
Missouri is known today as the "Show Me State", or at least that is our motto. Originally, it was claimed by many that the reason we had that motto was because Missourians were so stupid that they couldn't understand something unless you dreww them a picture.
As for our nickname? Some folks get off easy with cute nicknames like "Hoosier" or "Buckyeye" or what have you. What do we Missourians get? "Pukes" I kid you not, Missourians were called "Pukes"
But, hey. At least we didn't try to outlaw evolution (twice)! *cough* Kansas *cough*
(Also meant in good humor)
But at least we can share a true and noble hatred between us. Damn those stinking Nebraska folk!
...the bill's sponsor Rick Brattin (R-District 55) told the Kansas City Star (February 6, 2014) that requiring students to study evolution is "an absolute infringement on people's rights" and that evolution is "just as much faith and, you know, just as much pulled out of the air as, say, any religion."
Missouri's House Bill 1472, which would require school districts to allow parents to have their children excused from learning about evolution, was passed by the House Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education on March 12, 2014, after having a public hearing on February 13, 2014.
A separate antievolution bill in Missouri, House Bill 1587, which would deprive administrators of the ability to prevent teachers from miseducating students about "scientific controversies" around evolution, is still with the House Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education, where no hearing for it is yet scheduled.
Source, March 19th, 2014 [http://ncse.com/news/2014/03/missouri-antievolution-bill-advances-0015463]
All in good fun, Missouri.
And because I fully believe in throwing rocks at your own glass house...
ncse.com said:
Yet there are efforts underway to introduce a bill in the Pennsylvania legislature that "would allow teachers to teach alternative theories of evolution and climate change and other controversial topics, without facing sanctions." As NCSE previously reported, these efforts follow on the heels of a series of presentations from young-earth and "intelligent design" creationists in a Murrysville, Pennsylvania, church. No such bill has yet been introduced, however.
Not American so can't say for sure, but I have seen comments over the internet from angry sounding people that live in other states.
One memorable quote was "they try SO HARD to be like Europe!"
I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean but it must be a fearsome criticism.
Yeah, there's a bit of an anti California sentiment, but it's mostly directed at Los Angeles. People tend to associate the state (accurately or not) with traffic, pollution, crime, shallow people, and cartoonish liberals. The traffic is probably the most accurate stereotype about the state, but my personal issues are political and the state's occasionally bizarre laws and regulations. Honestly, Americans tend to rib on every other state anyways. Just ask someone from Illinois what they think of Indiana or someone from New York what they think of New Jersey. We don't really mean it, it's just more of a running joke.
Yeah, there's a bit of an anti California sentiment, but it's mostly directed at Los Angeles. People tend to associate the state (accurately or not) with traffic, pollution, crime, shallow people, and cartoonish liberals. The traffic is probably the most accurate stereotype about the state, but my personal issues are political and the state's occasionally bizarre laws and regulations. Honestly, Americans tend to rib on every other state anyways. Just ask someone from Illinois what they think of Indiana or someone from New York what they think of New Jersey. We don't really mean it, it's just more of a running joke.
even the people in the north of California describe people from L.A. as being fake and very shallow.
At least that's what I've been told by people there.
Really we here in the US heap shit on all the other states, akin to how brothers and sisters will pick on each other. I'd imagine it's true of most nations. We even make fun of our own states, particularly here in Texas since we cover a lot of area and have a fairly large and diverse population. If anything I think Alabama gets more hate than usual, at least around here. Actually my family is originally from Cali. I was born in Pasadena and have a lot of family in Arcadia, so most of the comments I usually hear are about how bad the government has been and how bad the prices are there. We moved when I was very young so my impressions are based more on the few times my family comes to visit which unfortunately is more often due to funerals. Overall I'd say it's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.
Here in Mississippi, there's plenty hate(more a mix of envy and suspicion) of Cali. I get mine honest though. Every person I know from there, even family, are complete toolbags. Always complaining about how 'not California' Mississippi is. No shit. Move back there, we have enough assholes here as is.
Strangely I hear from multiple sources that it is the worst for business; yet, it is the home of so many household name businesses like Apple,Amazon, and Google. Maybe its just really bad for small business.
All the states get hate from the other states, I don't believe any of it is meant with any degree of seriousness (except for the political fueled hate), it's more like siblings picking on each other.
According to Garfield, Wyoming doesn't even exist.
As for Florida *cough*, the state is mostly made up of people from northern states that moved there (to escape the cold), that's probably why it's so different than the other more stereotypical southern states. A lot of people like to "retire and move to Florida", so there's also a huge amount of old people. On top of that, you have the beaches which attract a huge amount of collage age people. One group drives really fast, one group drives really slow, in the winter, central Florida at least, is filled with tourists (called "snowbirds" flying south for the winter), there's a large Cuban population in south Florida (see Miami, Fort Lauderdale area), and a fair amount of people from other southern states in the north and in the very middle (but away from Orlando and Tampa, those cities are for tourists and collage students). Put all this together and you get road rage, insanity and a state that really just doesn't know what it's doing when it comes voting time.
Although they did finally kick the FCAT, if everyone in Florida can agree on something, it's that the FCAT is a load of shit.
I have lived in Southern California all of my life. I have lived in LA. I have lived in the Inland Empire. And I currently reside in Orange County(not out of preference). I work occasionally in Hollywood on various productions. The thing I have always found curious is that while the rest of the country thinks that Hollywood is all about pushing their own views on the rest of the country's entertainment mediums, They actually make it a point to tone things down a great deal for the sake of "middle America" so as to not scare them off. It is rather often that this will be cited as a reason to back off on certain creative decisions from screenplay editing to wardrobe approval.
That being said, The average Californian is not as progressive as people would believe. Their is on the other hand a great deal of paranoia here. Much of it well founded. We have high crime and lots of poverty. We tend to be somewhat socially retarded by our insecurity, while trying very hard to be seen as extroverts. We have a reputation for having the most beautiful people here, which drives everyone to insecurity for fear of not being counted among them. We are quite possibly the most neurotic state. Also yes the traffic here is terrible.
Californian here. People hate us because we are all hippies and/or movie stars. All of us.
Nah, I don't think there's a common hatred of California. I've never seen or heard anything worse than a few jokes. Then again I'm rarely out of state, so maybe I'm wrong.
I wouldn't say I hate all of you, I just dislike a large amount of you guys. This is mostly due to tourist from there, the fact you keep electing some of the dumbest politicians, and the fact that your state refuses to pay its debts and yet keeps spending way too much money.
Californian here. People hate us because we are all hippies and/or movie stars. All of us.
Nah, I don't think there's a common hatred of California. I've never seen or heard anything worse than a few jokes. Then again I'm rarely out of state, so maybe I'm wrong.
I wouldn't say I hate all of you, I just dislike a large amount of you guys. This is mostly due to tourist from there, the fact you keep electing some of the dumbest politicians, and the fact that your state refuses to pay its debts and yet keeps spending way too much money.
I'm going to take a guess here and assume that you are referring to the Governator when you describe stupid politicians, since its seems like he is a popular target for that kind of criticism. The funny thing is that he actually made a very valiant attempt at balancing the budget. The problem is that every attempt to balance the budget was at the expense of 1 or more interest groups who painted him like the bad guy. Large unions came after him left and right for practically everything he attempted. He even made it a point to personally call individual businesses to talk to them about keeping their operations in California. He also passed legislation that kept college tuitions low during his term. He even outlawed Necrophilia(much to the chagrin of undertakers and the fetish community). To be honest I kind of wish he was still our governor.
Californian here. People hate us because we are all hippies and/or movie stars. All of us.
Nah, I don't think there's a common hatred of California. I've never seen or heard anything worse than a few jokes. Then again I'm rarely out of state, so maybe I'm wrong.
I wouldn't say I hate all of you, I just dislike a large amount of you guys. This is mostly due to tourist from there, the fact you keep electing some of the dumbest politicians, and the fact that your state refuses to pay its debts and yet keeps spending way too much money.
I'm going to take a guess here and assume that you are referring to the Governator when you describe stupid politicians, since its seems like he is a popular target for that kind of criticism. The funny thing is that he actually made a very valiant attempt at balancing the budget. The problem is that every attempt to balance the budget was at the expense of 1 or more interest groups who painted him like the bad guy. Large unions came after him left and right for practically everything he attempted. He even made it a point to personally call individual businesses to talk to them about keeping their operations in California. He also passed legislation that kept college tuitions low during his term. He even outlawed Necrophilia(much to the chagrin of undertakers and the fetish community). To be honest I kind of wish he was still our governor.
The hate comes from how much more strict and seemingly backwards California is compared to the rest of the states. California is in one of the deepest debts of the other states, the cost of living is usually higher, the proximity to the Pacific Ocean means it's open to large amounts of Asian immigrants and pollution, the laws are stricter in terms of hot topic issues like gun control (AKA "Commiefornia"), they used to have Arnie as governor, and because fuck those guys for having Mythbusters and Hollywood.
Really, it's a western version of New York with less historical significance and more bears.
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