I had to go wipe my mouth of bile, but after I read it again, I see you made a very good point. Now if only the Parental Advisory Council weren't a bunch of uber-biased nutjobs.GenericPCUser said:
Is there any REASON gay marriage is wrong?
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I don't like fighting. And if you've seen me drunk, you wouldn't want me anywhere near ANYTHING dangerous that could be a weapon. I've injured somebody with soap before, and you wanna give me a sword?King Toasty said:
Plus Lions are too awesome to kill, hence my love of Aslan and all he stands for.
But if you hurt somebody- or yourself- you wake up in the morning! It's perfect!ReservoirAngel said:
And lions are cool and all, but what about VIKING LIONS!? YEAH. YOU HEARD ME. Drunk, ax-wielding extremely bearded viking lions.
First of all this thread is asking for semi intelligent reason why it?s wrong and yes I fail to say it?s wrong but I thought I would try to give a reason just why not to. Second I know it?s not full proof I say that in the first sentence with "ignoring the fact" the gene or genes have yet to be identified if they even exist, for all we know it psychological development which brings up the argument of choice or its part of the hormone bath a fetes receives to determine its gender. With the gene case mutation changes DNA giving rise to the gay gene which then the environment does the selecting for if it will survive or not. With three different selection process that can then happen to it sexual selection, directional selection, and stabilize selection. The gene fails the sexual selection by no reproduction taking place and the stabilize selection given that gays are few within the human race and that weeds out the smaller groups but as currently neither of the environmental pressures lead to those selections given the fact that humans dominate this planet. Leaving directional selection that leaves room for the genes even without sex to survive for diversity reasons, which gives us the 8% or so of gays within the human race, if those surveys are to be believed, to be that group.
You must also take in to account for the fact that taboos such as no reproducing with close relatives is created by evolution, in the fact that close relative produced offspring are weaker given the fact that their likely hood to have a genetic recessive disorder is much higher (and no this is not inbreeding). Say what you want about influence of religion, being gay would not be tabooed like it is if there was not some evolutionary push to make it so. So gays may be tempting fate if they continue.
There two arguments one for each side because I neither hate nor support any side. So shut up troll and it is every living creature?s BASIC desire to pass on their genes it?s called a sex drive some humans are just oddballs when it comes to how they do it like choosing intelligently to fail through the use of birth control.
You must also take in to account for the fact that taboos such as no reproducing with close relatives is created by evolution, in the fact that close relative produced offspring are weaker given the fact that their likely hood to have a genetic recessive disorder is much higher (and no this is not inbreeding). Say what you want about influence of religion, being gay would not be tabooed like it is if there was not some evolutionary push to make it so. So gays may be tempting fate if they continue.
There two arguments one for each side because I neither hate nor support any side. So shut up troll and it is every living creature?s BASIC desire to pass on their genes it?s called a sex drive some humans are just oddballs when it comes to how they do it like choosing intelligently to fail through the use of birth control.
I never said they magically turn homosexual i said they enter a homosexual relationship and consider themselves homosexual when before the incident the were not. It happened to my cousin Heidi, immediately after exiting an obviously abusive relationship she announced she was a lesbian despite her being in several heterosexual relationships prior to this with no mention of any sort of feelings otherwise. I even asked her friends and none of them said she ever mentioned being gay before that point.ReservoirAngel said:
i know i can't judge every case on my cousin, but it serves as an adequate base for my argument.
how can it be rigt? it is a filth and emberecement for every strait couple that ever got maried couse it compares us to gay people same could be said for gay sex gay kissing and gays holding hands at the park as a couple
(for everyone who didnt understand THAT WAS SARCASTIC)
there is realy nothing wrong with it... i cant imagine what resnable arguments there are to be made against the rigt of two people who love each outher (gay lesbians or straits) to express theyr love in a ceremony espacialy if like in my country (israel aka "religios nuts controlled land") where it is the only way to be ligally reconized as a couple (no not religios wedings doesnt count in fact i know a few couples who arent considerd legaly maried because instead of a rabi they had the brooms grandpa to anounce theyr married...)
(for everyone who didnt understand THAT WAS SARCASTIC)
there is realy nothing wrong with it... i cant imagine what resnable arguments there are to be made against the rigt of two people who love each outher (gay lesbians or straits) to express theyr love in a ceremony espacialy if like in my country (israel aka "religios nuts controlled land") where it is the only way to be ligally reconized as a couple (no not religios wedings doesnt count in fact i know a few couples who arent considerd legaly maried because instead of a rabi they had the brooms grandpa to anounce theyr married...)
You're doing the exact same thing.ImmortalDrifter said:
Homosexuality is strictly defined as having sexual and emotional feelings for a person of the same sex. You are not a homosexual if you have sex with a person of the same sex, but you are gay if you have feelings, sexual or not, for that person. By this definition, a person sleeping with someone of the same sex doesn't necesarely mean they're gay. They might be open minded or just wanted to try it. Who knows. The fact of the matter is, sexuality is defined from the get go. If a woman finds solace in the arms of a woman after exiting an abusive relationship and end up having feelings for that woman then you're either gay or bisexual.
I was reading that, and I'm all, RAGE WARRR. Lucky you activated the /sarcasm switch. The rest of your argument is reasonably sound.idodo35 said:
You want to deny homosexuals the right to adopt a child and at the same time basically insult them and yet you don't want to get blasted as a homophobe. Unfortunately, you haven't provided a single shred of evidence for your beliefs and whilst I respect them I also reserve the right to blast them until either you manage to scoop up some evidence(if ever) or I get bored. Hell, even if it was a choice does it really matter that much when it comes to how good they can raise a child? No, it does not.ImmortalDrifter said:
its completley baffles me how you compare somones sexual orientation to slavery, no one chooses to be homosexual its just hwo they are, and supressing that is NOT healthyDruza said:
what we are talking about are induviduals, what right does somone have to say that they canot be allowed to be who they are?
the thing is if they were christion...well fair enough its up to them to work out their faith...and even then isnt it really between them and god? we have free will if you belive there are concequences then you take responsibility for them..everyone else should mind their own bloody buisness, I mean if you dont like homosecuality why cant you just be an adult...suck it up and deal with it?
oh and not to mention some of us are not christian...therefore you are messing with peoples rights, I mean would you be ok with somone trying to force you to be musilm? or Pagan?
anyway the Bible....really hasnt done much good for people in general you know why?
Its a stepping stone towards cencorship, towards backwards thinking it goes against pushing the boundarys
and pushing the boundarys its essential for society to progress, in art games and music pushign the boudaries is what made thease mediums evolve
pushing the boundaries or doing things that seemed unacceptable is what gave women their rights
pushing the boundaries is what made us finally go "you know what? yeah your gay and thats OK"
It seems that trying to preving gay marrage...or gayness is really just delaying the inevitable
Very well.ImmortalDrifter said:
I match your cousin Heidi (incidentally one of my favourite names to say out loud) with my friend Jamie. Admitted to very strong homosexual feelings and urges, as well as weak heterosexual ones. Pursued many relationships with women because "it was easier" to get a woman to date you than it was to get a man, despite him admitting to me that he much preferred guys. After being jerked around and treated like shit by a series of bitchy girlfriends he finally declared women weren't worth the effort and since then has only pursued relationships with men.
I'm of the thinking that your cousin Heidi had feelings for women, just never admitted it. This isn't me judging her in any way, I'm just following my train of thought.
ImmortalDrifter said:
Homosexual feelings often get repressed due to the stigma associated with being gay. Often gay people tend to just "go with the flow" so as to not get harassed. The fact of the matter is, only she knows what's in her head. Maybe she's bisexual or maybe she's been a lesbian her whole life. Who the hell cares? Is she happy? If so, then it shouldn't really matter who she's fucking.
You have more restraint that I have. I kneed a guy in the balls for saying much the same thing once. He threatened to have me arrested for sexual harassment, it was hilarious.idodo35 said:
unnatural, bible, idk. look, the world is filled with stupid people,and they will think what they want to think, no matter what logic says. Hell, there is group based in california that believes the earth is flat, with about 3000 members. I shit you not, they honestly believe that the earth is FLAT
Animals also engage in what can be defined as homosexual behavior. This sort of ruins your entire argument.GenericPCUser said:
:'DReservoirAngel said:
I mean, I know people who are anti-gay, but they're smart and put up well-reasoned arguments. But with people who go ad-hominem (attacking the speaker, not the argument), I can't stand them.