Is this really how they react to girls on XBOX live? (NSFW language)

[karloss01]

it happens everywhere in any a mostly male dominated activity. i've seen it happen and warhammer clubs (and that RL p2p as well), counter-strike and even minecraft. girls pretty much have to deal with it unfortunatly.

 

[PinochetIsMyBro]

Get over yourselves females, I've found that the women and men I've played against on live are equally capable of being insufferable jerks. In fact I played against a woman last night on xbox live that was one of the biggest jerkwads I've played against in a long time. Would not shut up about her kill death ratio and kept calling us (her TEAMMATES) bad kids.

On a related note, I once played a game of halo double team against two guys who sounded like ghetto black people, complete with ebonics. Their gamer tags were XxXCrACKAKillAXxX and XxH0nk3yThrAshaxX. Kept asking me and my teammate the entire game(well, for several minutes until we muted them) if we were 'crackas.'

No, I'm not kidding. Never saw them again after that though. Pretty sure they got banned.

 

[Something Amyss]

Wow, the youtube comments suck, too:

1.  Don't use a mic
2. Don't make your clan tag 'Lady'
problem solved?
8Eriquo8 1 day ago

Ok first no one respects people over xbox live so girls shut the fuck up and take it like a man.
iSilverwolf 3 days ago

If you took lady off your clan tag people wouldn't be harassing, so obviously your seeking attention.
Cracksterunit 1 week ago

It warms my heart to know victim blaming is still a major thing.

 

[Something Amyss]

Get over yourselves females, I've found that the women and men I've played against on live are equally capable of being insufferable jerks.

And I'm sure this harassment is widespread and systematic, like the stuff described.

...Ow...I think I pulled something doing that huge eye roll.

 

[Kahunaburger]

It warms my heart to know victim blaming is still a major thing.

In this thread, even - see above.

 

[ClockworkPenguin]

People on PC rarely use mics outside of organized play.

I think that has more to do with programs like Teamspeak and Ventrilo. They give you the option of passwording your voice chats and keeping unwanted people out. So, they're using them, just not in a way that anyone outside the program will hear them.

OT: Some of the Youtube comments are kinda correct. You don't make names like "XxIm_a_gurlxX" with a clan tag of [Gurl] or [LADY] if you don't want attention.

If you've ever played anything online, you know what you're getting yourself into when you make a name like that, and have no-one to blame but yourself when you get harassed by people you can mute with the press of a button.

Sure, they shouldn't be acting like that to begin with, but that part is out of your control. Use the options you have available to you, and don't ***** when you get harassed in an online game, because you're certainly not the only one putting up with people like that.

OT: Who gives a fuck about the chick, those folks were tubing in Search. Noobs.

This guy gets it.

And on another note; Who the fuck goes into a game on their own with their mic on? No one wants to talk to you. Turn your shit off.

You can't blame the victim for there own harassment. It really sound like you are saying that people should hide a trait common to 50% of the population. That is madness.

I must also take issue with the argument 'everyone deals with it, so stop complaining' (i know you didn't use those words, but it is the essence of your argument) as this gives all the power to the trolls. If the reasonable people called them out on it, even when it wasn't addressed to them, the trolls would quickly realise they can't get away with it.

Even if you don't do it, people like you allow this sort of thing to happen.

 

[quantumsoul]

I think girls need to dish it back more. They're missing great opportunities to belittle such pathetic losers.

Guys that talk like that are clearly not getting laid and/or have tiny penises. Call them out on it ladies. It just might be fun >

 

[Sehnsucht Engel]

It doesn't surprise me. I never considered getting live when I owned a working X360, because I figured most people online act like this.

 

[PinochetIsMyBro]

Get over yourselves females, I've found that the women and men I've played against on live are equally capable of being insufferable jerks.

And I'm sure this harassment is widespread and systematic, like the stuff described.

...Ow...I think I pulled something doing that huge eye roll.

People getting made fun of because they're different in an evironment mostly composed of kids, OH NO HOW SHOCKING ALERT THE PRESSES.

More seriously, you missed my point entirely. Men and women are equally capable of being annoying, insufferable, immature and bratty little things on Xbox Live just like in REAL LIFE.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

Jesus christ, those guys could be discussing philosophy and I'd still want to kill them. This is why voice chat is God's punishment for an evil world.

Really though, reprehensible. Ladies, I apologize on behalf of my appalling gender, and humbly submit that all males age 13-24 be sequestered on Monster Island.

Umm.....Can you wait like 5 years to start that program? Thanks.

This is why I love Journey. No @$$holes or weirdos. Just friendly fellow travelers.

Hmmm......I wonder. How do girls get treated in Co-Op online games?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Jesus christ, those guys could be discussing philosophy and I'd still want to kill them. This is why voice chat is God's punishment for an evil world.

Really though, reprehensible. Ladies, I apologize on behalf of my appalling gender, and humbly submit that all males age 13-24 be sequestered on Monster Island.

Umm.....Can you wait like 5 years to start that program? Thanks.

This is why I love Journey. No @$$holes or weirdos. Just friendly fellow travelers.

Hmmm......I wonder. How do girls get treated in Co-Op online games?

I have been treated really well in PC Me3 multiplayer no one has been abusive.

One guy got shirty but that was because I was playing an infiltrator (with a widow III) in Gold with the rest of the team being biotics and I got a really score compared to them. Nothing to do with being a girl.

In my defense I lost count of the times I ressed them all at once.

 

[-Samurai-]

You can't blame the victim for there own harassment. It really sound like you are saying that people should hide a trait common to 50% of the population. That is madness.

I must also take issue with the argument 'everyone deals with it, so stop complaining' (i know you didn't use those words, but it is the essence of your argument) as this gives all the power to the trolls. If the reasonable people called them out on it, even when it wasn't addressed to them, the trolls would quickly realise they can't get away with it.

Even if you don't do it, people like you allow this sort of thing to happen.

People have multiple options available to them to avoid this type of thing. There are mute/block features in every game with voice chat or a message system. You can leave lobbies. To say that you're the victim of something you're allowing to happen to you is ludicrous.

It isn't an argument of "Should people be acting this way?", because we all know that people shouldn't be as immature as they are online. But why would you sit there and take it when there are so many ways to avoid it?

Besides, I don't think its as serious as this community likes to make everything out to be. Everyone gets harassed for everything*. If you take that stuff seriously, it's your problem.

*[small]Literally everything.[/small]

Spoiler: This is what happens when you use a Red Dot Sight on an M4 and get the jump on someone

 

[ClockworkPenguin]

People have multiple options available to them to avoid this type of thing. There are mute/block features in every game with voice chat or a message system. You can leave lobbies. To say that you're the victim of something you're allowing to happen to you is ludicrous.

It isn't an argument of "Should people be acting this way?", because we all know that people shouldn't be as immature as they are online. But why would you sit there and take it when there are so many ways to avoid it?

Besides, I don't think its as serious as this community likes to make everything out to be. Everyone gets harassed for everything*. If you take that stuff seriously, it's your problem.

*[small]Literally everything.[/small]

Spoiler: This is what happens when you use a Red Dot Sight on an M4 and get the jump on someone

Even if you leave, you're a victim, people are creating no-go zones, making you go to extra trouble, just because of your gender. That's not on. Imagine if this wasn't on-line. What if unpleasant people started heckling every girl who went into GAME? That's not really any different, but your argument says women should just suck it up and leave the shop until the idiots left. How is that fair?

I could sort of accept your point, if you were just offering advice, but you're not. You are telling people to stop complaining so that you can stick your hands over your ears and pretend there isn't a problem. We need more people to be complaining about this, not less. Otherwise the problem will never go away.

 

[Kahunaburger]

We need more people to be complaining about this, not less. Otherwise the problem will never go away.

Dear people who think it's annoying to hear people talk about harassment: imagine how annoying it is to actually be harassed.

 

[guidance]

I don't use the mic. anymore on xbox live anymore for that reason and I'm a guy (note reason being the people on there are loud and annoying, not because I was being harassed for being a woman).

I did have a woman make fun of my gamertag though.

 

[-Samurai-]

Even if you leave, you're a victim, people are creating no-go zones, making you go to extra trouble, just because of your gender. That's not on. Imagine if this wasn't on-line. What if unpleasant people started heckling every girl who went into GAME? That's not really any different, but your argument says women should just suck it up and leave the shop until the idiots left. How is that fair?

I'm not saying you should leave or just not play the game. I'm saying you should use the tools and methods made available to you to stop the problem, instead of complaining about something you have complete control over. And if you can't be bothered to take those "extra steps"(pressing a few buttons), you have no right to complain and play the victim.

And your GAME analogy doesn't work. There's an obvious difference between completely avoidable in-game harassment, and someone physically in the same room as you harassing you. Although news media would like you to believe different.

I could sort of accept your point, if you were just offering advice, but you're not. You are telling people to stop complaining so that you can stick your hands over your ears and pretend there isn't a problem. We need more people to be complaining about this, not less. Otherwise the problem will never go away.

I am offering advice. Several times I've suggested muting and blocking. Not once did I suggest someone simply not play their game. It's only a problem as long as people let it be a problem. Despite the best efforts of others, I don't have that problem. Probably because I know how to use the mute button. Neither of the female members of my group have a problem, because they also know how to use the mute button, and they take control of the things they can control.

Nothing after the break is directed to the quoted person above, but to anyone that can answer this question.
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Read this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.358872-TV-News-Report-Warns-of-Cyber-Bullying-on-Xbox-Live

Why is it that the majority of the comments in that article are about how the game is rated M(18+)(with a mixture of "mute them"/bad parenting accusations) and that type of behavior is to be expected(foul language and insults), yet here we have a different demographic being targeted(Children Vs Females), and it's suddenly a huge problem? "It's ok if they're children, but not if they're female."?

Why is it that every time a story comes out about someone being "cyber bullied", the people here suggest that the "victim" should just block them on Facebook/Skype/whatever program is being used to contact them, but in gaming, it's a foreign concept, despite having access to the same tools and features?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.358526-Poll-Would-you-ever-hit-a-woman?view_results=1
Even here the general consensus is that you'd physically hit a person, regardless of their gender. But completely blockable, mutable, verbal harassment is off limits?

The Escapist community is fickle.

[small]I think it's important to note that I don't advocate immature online behavior. However, I do recognize that even though that type of behavior online uncalled for, it does exist. That's a fact.

What I do advocate is the use of the features and tools available to you to stop yourself from being harassed.

If your neighbor punches you in the face every time you go to their house, you stop going to their house. If someone is verbally harassing you online, you mute them.[/small]

 

[Xeraxis]

This doesn't surprise me in the least bit. People are always doing and saying pathetic stuff like this all the time, because they have no balls to do so in person. It'd be the same if someone was religious or racially different.

Things like this have made me learn that the mute button is a beautiful thing.

 

[ClockworkPenguin]

@Samurai I doubt the individual people on the escapist are fickle, I think its just more likely that each thread attracted a different subsection of the community. Personally, I have never accepted the argument that x should be expected, and is therefore ok. Bullying and harassment are not acceptable against anyone.

 

[-Samurai-]

@Samurai I doubt the individual people on the escapist are fickle, I think its just more likely that each thread attracted a different subsection of the community. Personally, I have never accepted the argument that x should be expected, and is therefore ok. Bullying and harassment are not acceptable against anyone.

I think it's important for me to say that I don't mean that because it's expected, it's ok. I know I haven't properly explained my stance.

What I'm saying is that it's happening. You know it's happening. Sure, it shouldn't be, but it is. So, you take the things given to you to stop it from happening to you, and you use them.

Yes it's expected. Ok or not, it's happening anyway. No, you shouldn't have to deal with it, but you do have to deal with it. So use what you have available.

 

[Meight08]

OT: Some of the Youtube comments are kinda correct. You don't make names like "XxIm_a_gurlxX" with a clan tag of [Gurl] or [LADY] if you don't want attention.

Wait, so it's only okay to have a gendered username or clan tag as long as it's a male gendered name or clan tag? If I play as xXx_Frodo_Teabaggins_xXx am I looking for attention?

I really don't want to be "that guy", but if you're just gonna read part of the post, and just disregard the rest, don't respond.

Oh, and for a bit of afterthought; How many males do you see announcing their genders in their name or clan tag?

Why should we have to change it?

We should be able to call ourselves what we want.

The fact is women aren't thinking about possible verbal assault when they make their username. They pick what they like the sound of just like you.

It's like clothing we don't wear clothes for men we wear what we think looks nice but a lot of guy think we are 'asking for it'

and that's basically what this whole chain of thought comes down to isn't it.

'She was wearing a short skirt so she was asking for it.'

'She is using a feminine username because she is asking for attention.'

Disclaimer: I don't believe in "she asked for it" concerning revealing clothing I believe in watch out and get someone to take you home when your wearing half a towel worth of sexy clothing.

Some guys say such things not out of "You are not allowed to do that" but out of
"Watch out your gonna get harrased because of that."