I think that unless you are getting it from the site, it's stealing. There aren't any other sites that distribute it legally that I know of, so just get it off the site. It may cost a lot, but I wouldn't want to take the risk.
Is this stealing adobe photoshop? Moral conundrum
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Adobe and Autodesk are all aware of student piracy, and can't do much about it since they know noting good will come out it (no student can afford this programs). Infact, they don't even care.
However, the real problems comes when a company uses them for Commercial work, and nothing is paid to the tool developers.
However, the real problems comes when a company uses them for Commercial work, and nothing is paid to the tool developers.
Most publishers of expensive applications keep quiet about the whole issue. Private, non-commercial copies of their programs don't affect their target market - businesses. In fact, several make the process of switching from pirated to legitimate versions of their software amazingly easy (if expensive) - you pay them for a full license and you're off and running.Timmibal said:
I would say go for it! you NEED this and if the photoshop guys wanted you to buy it they should have made it cheeper, you could also ask if the school could pay for it
I don't usually like to but into arguments but have you really never sharewared a song, torrented a movie or intalled a burnt game your entire life? either your a millionaire or Jesus. what about your avatar? did your draw and animate that gif youself? the creator of k-on might consider it theft.Pirate Kitty said:
There are student editions, though from what I have seen they arent very good, I also think its unfair that if a buisness bought multiple copies under a buisness license they get a significant discount.
A good alternative to Photoshop is Paint.net, I use both (I got Photoshop free with my graphics tablet, so its not stealing). Paint.net can do things Photoshop cant and vice versa.
A good alternative to Photoshop is Paint.net, I use both (I got Photoshop free with my graphics tablet, so its not stealing). Paint.net can do things Photoshop cant and vice versa.
Not agreeing with the kitty in any shape or form, but sir, you mad, and YHBT.joebear15 said:
I call bullshit, m'laddo. Ever sung in the shower? Ever? You've breached copyright. Agreed nobody would ever be greedy enough to prosecute you, but technically it's on the books (Unauthorised performance of copyrighted material.)Pirate Kitty said:
And not being a smug self righteous twat helps as well.Pirate Kitty said:
Copyright law differs from country to country, so your blanket responses are as misinformed as some of the opinions you are trying to shoot down.
You're from Australia. Have you ever gone into a JB Hi-Fi store and watched the movie playing on the TV displays there? Even for 30 seconds? Or ever had a coffee at a cafe where they play CD's over the speaker system? Congratulations! You were involved in COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!
And if you, or anyone you know, bought a TV from a retailer, then profit has been made as a result of COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!
But lets also take a look at your claim to have never stolen something. Have you ever used someones pen and not given it back? Have you ever found money on the ground an put it in your pocket? Have you ever been given more change by a store clerk than you were supposed to? If you answered yes to any of those questions, then you have engaged in theft. If you answered no to all 3 of those questions you are either a liar or you live in a cave on the moon.
So now you may go back to your research, and maybe this time you'll pay attention to the whole thing, not just the parts that support your arguments.
Law is not a black and white situation. That is why we have a judicial system, to help work through all the shades of grey. You can not stand there and claim to have never benefited in any way from something that is against the letter of the law. It is physically impossible.
You can call me a thief but I'm not actually stealing anything, just creating a copy.
Morality is ridiculous, the only person who should care is yourself
If it's illegal? Oh well, slavery used to be legal
No I don't give a crap about your opinion, I don't care
Morality is ridiculous, the only person who should care is yourself
If it's illegal? Oh well, slavery used to be legal
No I don't give a crap about your opinion, I don't care
You've looked at the profile. You must have noticed that you're dealing with a teenage girl there... I think that pretty much sums up the reasoning behind the "LALALALALA YOU'RE WRONG" style of argument. Normative appeals will not work in this instance.Omegatronacles said:
Ok first the bad then the good.
A) Yes it's illegal.
B) I have CS4 (legally, I might add) and 1) it's totally worth the money. 2) During my time in art college, I needed Flash for a course in digital media. It strikes me as weird that your school would require you to purchase these programs. My college had them on all of the university computers. Whether you bought your own copy to work from the comfort of your own home was up to you. Anyway, here are 3 legal alternatives that will save you from legal issues and/or give you piece of mind from a moral standpoint:
1. Buy the programs. As long as you are enrolled in college, you qualify for Adobe's Student discount. All you need is a student ID. That's how I bought mine. You get something like 80% off the standard price. It'll still cost you a few hundred, but when it regularly retails for around $1000, it's not a bad deal. And that's for the whole creative suite. You can go program by program, but often times it'll cost more for three programs than it would for the entire suite. More bang for your buck, my friend.
2. Like Aylaine said, Adobe has 30 day trials on all of its products. That's how I got through my poor college days. My 30-day trial of Flash got me through the bulk of my digital media course. When that ran out and I'd saved the money, I bought CS4 and have been using it ever since.
3. See if they have the programs on the school computers, and use those. I'm sure your school has a computer lab...why not check it out?
Again, it seems really strange to me that a class, especially at the university level, would require you to spend that much money. If all else fails, I'd contact the university and ask if it's school policy that you have to purchase those programs to take the course. Again, I took half a dozen art courses that required the Adobe Creative Suite, and I was never required to actually buy the programs. They were on all of the computers in the computer lab where we took the course.
Good luck, and may college have mercy on your wallet
A) Yes it's illegal.
B) I have CS4 (legally, I might add) and 1) it's totally worth the money. 2) During my time in art college, I needed Flash for a course in digital media. It strikes me as weird that your school would require you to purchase these programs. My college had them on all of the university computers. Whether you bought your own copy to work from the comfort of your own home was up to you. Anyway, here are 3 legal alternatives that will save you from legal issues and/or give you piece of mind from a moral standpoint:
1. Buy the programs. As long as you are enrolled in college, you qualify for Adobe's Student discount. All you need is a student ID. That's how I bought mine. You get something like 80% off the standard price. It'll still cost you a few hundred, but when it regularly retails for around $1000, it's not a bad deal. And that's for the whole creative suite. You can go program by program, but often times it'll cost more for three programs than it would for the entire suite. More bang for your buck, my friend.
2. Like Aylaine said, Adobe has 30 day trials on all of its products. That's how I got through my poor college days. My 30-day trial of Flash got me through the bulk of my digital media course. When that ran out and I'd saved the money, I bought CS4 and have been using it ever since.
3. See if they have the programs on the school computers, and use those. I'm sure your school has a computer lab...why not check it out?
Again, it seems really strange to me that a class, especially at the university level, would require you to spend that much money. If all else fails, I'd contact the university and ask if it's school policy that you have to purchase those programs to take the course. Again, I took half a dozen art courses that required the Adobe Creative Suite, and I was never required to actually buy the programs. They were on all of the computers in the computer lab where we took the course.
Good luck, and may college have mercy on your wallet
No need to get all hostile. It is illegal plain and simple. Are we entitled to make up our own minds? Yes. If you're cool with pirated software, fine. Not everyone is.XinfiniteX said:
[/quote]It's not hostile, it also fails to address the topic.
Moral Conundrum, not legal.
I know I've screwed up the quoty thing when trying to snip XD
Adobes problem is their own greed. They need to realise that if they dropped prices to something not totally and utterly fucking mental, they'd make soo much more money.
Yes, what you're considering is illegal. No, I don't blame you for going down that road!
Yes, what you're considering is illegal. No, I don't blame you for going down that road!
Do not "link", maybe? Otherwise, it sort of makes little sense.Aylaine said:
OT: You really need it? Eh - well, go for it. It is illegal, of course, but you can buy the licensed version later.
Really though, Photoshop costs a fortune.
Depends on the university. I need Flash, Photoshop, Maya, and Final Cut Pro for my classes, but my university doesn't offer each of us individual copies of the software. Instead, my department has two computer labs with all the software already on each computer, so I don't need to purchase the software, either.LifeCharacter said:
The only downside to that arrangement is that I need to use Macs when I'm in lab.
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"GIMP" comes from "GNU Image Manipulation Program." "GNU" comes from the recursive acronym "GNU's Not Unix." This kinda thing is common among the free software "developers."zHellas said: