It actually exists! An Xbox 360 controller with symmetrical analog sticks

[Slaanax]

I don't have a PS controller to compare but on my X-box controller my hands sit nicely on the thumb sticks with out having to stretch out or stress my hands. I don't have particularly large hands either.

 

[Stone Wera]

I prefer the original design, symmetrical analog sticks are uncomfortable for me.

This doesn't make any sense to me. I could see the lower position potentially being a problem (for some reason, couldn't say what right now), but I can't see how having a symmetrical design is a problem but if it's asymmetrical you're not still having problems with one of the sticks.

What? It's just a personal preference.

While comfort would lead to a preference, I don't see something being comfortable or uncomfortable in itself as a preference. How would you not still find the right stick uncomfortable with the staggered layout if you find them both uncomfortable with the symmetrical layout?

I like the 360 analog sticks the way they are, nothing more, nothing else.

 

[Geekosaurus]

I really don't see how the analogue sticks not being level is a major concern. Each to their own I guess. :/

 

[shadow skill]

So we have no way to prove or believe you have just an xbox, 360 and ps2...and when did owning something mean you had no bias?

I own a 360, wii, ps3, psp, and ds, and I am completely biased against the ps3 and wii.
Owning something means nothing.

You are being disagreed with by nearly 80% of the thread with your claims of the 360 controller being bad, having bad ergonomics...ect the 360 controller is one of the most comfy and usable controllers out there right now.

The fact that most people who have replied disagree with him has no bearing on whether he is right or not. People disagree with me all the time that the Southpaw layouts in most console games are trash, it doesn't make them right since these layouts typically make basic actions almost physically impossible to perform if you hold the controller in a normal way.

 

[Omikron009]

You mean a controller where the analog sticks are next to one another? That's my biggest and perhaps only gripe with the playstation controller. It hurts my hands and it took me years before I was able to use one. I love the 360 controller.

Weird how people are different like that, huh?

 

[Mr_Universal]

It´s physically impossible to have your thumbs like that, unless you´re used to be using the ps3...which is made for small hands...

 

[Korey Von Doom]

And it still has the same crappy d-pad

 

[shadow skill]

It´s physically impossible to have your thumbs like that, unless you´re used to be using the ps3...which is made for small hands...

Or you have long fingers and your thumbs end up resting such that the tips are off the buttons, if you hold the controller the way they want you to. Were the palm rests angled down and the sticks placed side by side it would be much easier to get a proper grip and use the tip of your thumbs for the buttons.

 

[yankeefan19]

I actually think that the 360's controller is fine the way it is thank you.

 

[CaptainAverage]

Cool idea, but the 360 controller is the best out there, I liked the play station controllers when I was 12 but now that i have big hands nothing seems to feel great apart from the 360 one, however on topic why the fuck did you go through all that just for that ugly piece of shit?

 

[Pyode]

The fact that most people who have replied disagree with him has no bearing on whether he is right or not. People disagree with me all the time that the Southpaw layouts in most console games are trash, it doesn't make them right since these layouts typically make basic actions almost physically impossible to perform if you hold the controller in a normal way.

Your absolutely right, but only because it is impossible for an opinion to be objectively right or wrong. Even if 90% of the people agreed with him it wouldn't make him right, because it's an opinion.

While comfort would lead to a preference, I don't see something being comfortable or uncomfortable in itself as a preference. How would you not still find the right stick uncomfortable with the staggered layout if you find them both uncomfortable with the symmetrical layout?

Because the right stick is only used about half the time, while the buttons are used the other half. The left stick, however, is used the vast majority of the time so it needs so be in the more comfortable position.

Anyway, this whole conversation is pointless anyway. You are tying to argue your opinions as objective facts, which never works.

Why can't you just accept that some people like the 360 controller the way it is and leave it be?

 

[shadow skill]

The fact that most people who have replied disagree with him has no bearing on whether he is right or not. People disagree with me all the time that the Southpaw layouts in most console games are trash, it doesn't make them right since these layouts typically make basic actions almost physically impossible to perform if you hold the controller in a normal way.

Your absolutely right, but only because it is impossible for an opinion to be objectively right or wrong. Even if 90% of the people agreed with him it wouldn't make him right, because it's an opinion.

While comfort would lead to a preference, I don't see something being comfortable or uncomfortable in itself as a preference. How would you not still find the right stick uncomfortable with the staggered layout if you find them both uncomfortable with the symmetrical layout?

Because the right stick is only used about half the time, while the buttons are used the other half. The left stick, however, is used the vast majority of the time so it needs so be in the more comfortable position.

Anyway, this whole conversation is pointless anyway. You are tying to argue your opinions as objective facts, which never works.

Why can't you just accept that some people like the 360 controller the way it is and leave it be?

Not all opinions are impossible to prove or disprove. You can have the opinion that using rusted screws to put a chair together has no effect on the strength of the chair. I can prove that it does in fact have a negative effect on the strength of the chair.

 

[WilliamRLBaker]

So we have no way to prove or believe you have just an xbox, 360 and ps2...and when did owning something mean you had no bias?

I own a 360, wii, ps3, psp, and ds, and I am completely biased against the ps3 and wii.
Owning something means nothing.

You are being disagreed with by nearly 80% of the thread with your claims of the 360 controller being bad, having bad ergonomics...ect the 360 controller is one of the most comfy and usable controllers out there right now.

The fact that most people who have replied disagree with him has no bearing on whether he is right or not. People disagree with me all the time that the Southpaw layouts in most console games are trash, it doesn't make them right since these layouts typically make basic actions almost physically impossible to perform if you hold the controller in a normal way.

pretty sure every one disagreeing with him=making him wrong.

the 360 is one of the most ergonomically minded controllers on the planet, and bar its dpad is one of the most comfy and usable controllers. And my mom is left handed and has no problem with southpaw controls in most games when I can get her to play...

 

[Pyode]

Not all opinions are impossible to prove or disprove. You can have the opinion that using rusted screws to put a chair together has no effect on the strength of the chair. I can prove that it does in fact have a negative effect on the strength of the chair.

WRONG

Opinion: belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

An opinion is, by definition, unprovable. Once you prove it, it is no longer an opinion and becomes fact.

Controller preference is an opinion, because you can not prove that the PS3 controller is more comfortable than the 360 controller. It is my opinion that the 360 controller is currently the best on the market. You may think otherwise, and that's fine, but don't try to argue that my opinion is objectively wrong, because you can't.

 

[Pyode]

pretty sure every one disagreeing with him=making him wrong.

First of all, 80% is not "everyone."

Second, even if it was 100%, you could still argue that it was an opinion because comfort is not a quantifiable variable.

 

[shadow skill]

So we have no way to prove or believe you have just an xbox, 360 and ps2...and when did owning something mean you had no bias?

I own a 360, wii, ps3, psp, and ds, and I am completely biased against the ps3 and wii.
Owning something means nothing.

You are being disagreed with by nearly 80% of the thread with your claims of the 360 controller being bad, having bad ergonomics...ect the 360 controller is one of the most comfy and usable controllers out there right now.

The fact that most people who have replied disagree with him has no bearing on whether he is right or not. People disagree with me all the time that the Southpaw layouts in most console games are trash, it doesn't make them right since these layouts typically make basic actions almost physically impossible to perform if you hold the controller in a normal way.

pretty sure every one disagreeing with him=making him wrong.

the 360 is one of the most ergonomically minded controllers on the planet, and bar its dpad is one of the most comfy and usable controllers. And my mom is left handed and has no problem with southpaw controls in most games when I can get her to play...

So what you are telling me is that it is physically possible to move with the right stick, and press any of the buttons on the right side of the controller at the same time, all while holding the controller in the correct manner? Before you answer that, think about why things like reload, jump, and melee are on the right side of the controller on the standard layout of pretty much all console shooters.

If there are six people in a room and you are the only one who says 2+2=4, the other five people are wrong.

 

[shadow skill]

Not all opinions are impossible to prove or disprove. You can have the opinion that using rusted screws to put a chair together has no effect on the strength of the chair. I can prove that it does in fact have a negative effect on the strength of the chair.

WRONG

Opinion: belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

An opinion is, by definition, unprovable. Once you prove it, it is no longer an opinion and becomes fact.

Controller preference is an opinion, because you can not prove that the PS3 controller is more comfortable than the 360 controller. It is my opinion that the 360 controller is currently the best on the market. You may think otherwise, and that's fine, but don't try to argue that my opinion is objectively wrong, because you can't.

Umm no you don't know what an opinion actually is. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

Take a look at the related word appraisal:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appraisal


Even your own definition does not exclude objective proofs of opinions since an estimate may be accurate.

 

[migo]

So we have no way to prove or believe you have just an xbox, 360 and ps2...and when did owning something mean you had no bias?

I own a 360, wii, ps3, psp, and ds, and I am completely biased against the ps3 and wii.
Owning something means nothing.

You are being disagreed with by nearly 80% of the thread with your claims of the 360 controller being bad, having bad ergonomics...ect the 360 controller is one of the most comfy and usable controllers out there right now.

You have no way of proving that, but trying to claim someone owns something and is biased against a certain company based on disliking a certain aspect of a product is ridiculous.

This thread is populated by 360 users, who are strangely fond of FPS games without a keyboard and mouse. Yeah I'm being disagreed with by them, but it's not like their statements have much stock when their preference is for auto aim with an analog stick over true accurate aim with a mouse.

 

[migo]

So we have no way to prove or believe you have just an xbox, 360 and ps2...and when did owning something mean you had no bias?

I own a 360, wii, ps3, psp, and ds, and I am completely biased against the ps3 and wii.
Owning something means nothing.

You are being disagreed with by nearly 80% of the thread with your claims of the 360 controller being bad, having bad ergonomics...ect the 360 controller is one of the most comfy and usable controllers out there right now.

The fact that most people who have replied disagree with him has no bearing on whether he is right or not. People disagree with me all the time that the Southpaw layouts in most console games are trash, it doesn't make them right since these layouts typically make basic actions almost physically impossible to perform if you hold the controller in a normal way.

pretty sure every one disagreeing with him=making him wrong.

the 360 is one of the most ergonomically minded controllers on the planet, and bar its dpad is one of the most comfy and usable controllers. And my mom is left handed and has no problem with southpaw controls in most games when I can get her to play...

The original Xbox was thrown together using PC components to get it out the door, and MS didn't listen to any advice from actual users testing it for the original controller. The 360 was once again rushed out the door, and given the minimal changes there's no validity in a claim that MS suddenly put more effort into actually testing the controller. Hell, there weren't even any variations. Sony experimented with a few alternates for the PS3 and then decided they weren't good so went back to the DualShock design. Perfect examples of Microsoft not putting any thought into the 360 controller design is the D-Pad and Bumpers, the former which just sucks and the latter which is clearly an afterthought. Now given that the D-Pad and Bumpers were just thrown on there because of how they looked rather than actually being tested or put through any sort of quality control, the notion that they had any sort of competent testing or quality control for the rest of the components is pretty ludicrous.

 

[migo]

Why can't you just accept that some people like the 360 controller the way it is and leave it be?

Funny that you should ask this. Why can't the majority of respondents to this thread accept that I don't like the 360 controller the way it is and that I'm happy to find something that lets me keep playing it and leave it be?