It is Human Nature...

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Endersgate1321

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Humans have the great ability to slowly justifing bad things for a greater good. Not to say it makes it ok just saying most people who do bad things in thier minds thought they were helping in some demented sense. Its human nature to want to belive that they are doing what they are supposed to like being selfish not understanding that for everything they take for granted came from someone elses work or suffering. We forget that ther are other people out there. This is not a U.S. thing by the way this is everywhere in every society in every econmic circle. We simply try to think what we are doing know is important when actually its not. I'm guilty of this alot too.
 

Waaghpowa

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TestECull said:
It's human nature to be a complete dick. The only reason they don't is consequences, and if you need proof of this just look on any game server or unmoderated forum.


Or the political race.
It's like House said.

People are cowards; If I'm mean to you, you'll be mean to me. Mutually assure destruction.
 

Headdrivehardscrew

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Yeah... thing is, our brains are so overly inflated and superiour to everything else, we can in fact come up with amazing stuff.

On the other hand, if we decide to go with silly concepts and notions, we're actually worse than anything else nature came up with. We easily beat volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunamis, without even trying too much.

Our hunger for illegal drugs made from natural resources kills a whole lot of forest and other assorted bits and pieces of nature. Our hunger for "magic" tiger and rhino bits makes animals go extinct. Limp dick? Sniff mummified tiger shlong! It's just insane.

Along come the Taliban and tell us not growing a beard is to be considered a capital crime for it makes men look like women.

If anything, it is human nature to be completely and utterly random... with a tendency towards evil. A cat or dog or just about any other animal, domesticated or wild, poses more or less calculable risks. A human, on the other hand, might turn into ye olde ravaging bloodlusting wildebeest over just about anything. Snap. Just like that.

It's human to be but an animal. It sometimes takes seemingly superhuman strength not to go all frothing and hating on our ook ook brothers and sisters. Too bad.
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
I believe Charlie Chaplin has this one covered...


Seriously, everyone on Earth should watch this video at LEAST 3 times a week.
Thank you so much for sharing this amazing video with us. It says everything that we people need to follow for a greater mankind.
I am so motivated by this and will watch it at least 3 times a week.
 

Nouw

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It is in Ork nature to BE DA BIGGEST AND DA STRONGEST!
It is in Ork nature to HAVE DAKKA!
It is in Ork nature to BE ROKKIN'!
It is in Ork nature to launch WAAAAAAGHS!

Throughout Ork history, nothing has changed really.
 

Laser Priest

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Why does human nature being selfless seem to be listed with the negative things?

Well, I can say it is Necromancer nature to be fucking awesome.
 

Waaghpowa

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Nouw said:
It is in Ork nature to BE DA BIGGEST AND DA STRONGEST!
It is in Ork nature to HAVE DAKKA!
It is in Ork nature to BE ROKKIN'!
It is in Ork nature to launch WAAAAAAGHS!

Throughout Ork history, nothing has changed really.
Needs more Dakka.
 

Orks da best

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OneOfTheMichael said:
The first paragraph...No
Second....I wish we were all like that.
I love how you phrased that, thank you.
why thank you.

Necromancer Jim said:
Why does human nature being selfless seem to be listed with the negative things?

Well, I can say it is Necromancer nature to be fucking awesome.
I misspelled it... need to fix it!!!
 

Orks da best

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Nouw said:
It is in Ork nature to BE DA BIGGEST AND DA STRONGEST!
It is in Ork nature to HAVE DAKKA!
It is in Ork nature to BE ROKKIN'!
It is in Ork nature to launch WAAAAAAGHS!

Throughout Ork history, nothing has changed really.
ye just did because of my avatar and name didn't ya?
 

Logiclul

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Happy Yay said:
Logiclul said:
Happy Yay said:
Logiclul said:
Ugh... human nature can't be to be selfless.. read Ayn Rand if you don't understand why.

Human nature is to be selfish (and that is a good thing! selfishness is a virtue, not a sin!).
Humans are biologically engineered to be selfless, at least to a degree. We are rewarded with dopamine when we help another person.
Happy Yay: You are mistaken, so I will explain to you why so that you don't make the same mistake again.

Let us assume that everyone is selfless; let us consider such a world, and how it would function.

Everyone would be aiming to sacrifice their body for another, living in a dull and meaningless existence which exists to serve others, hoping(it isn't a conscious hope since that would be selfish, but we say hope as it is in the persons best interest for the following to happen) that one day, someone else will throw them a bone and sacrifice themselves for him.

That society could never function, so we know that humans are not inherently selfless.

Selfishness is a prerequisite for so many things. One must want to be better themselves. One must want to be happy. We could make a more extensive list, but these two umbrella phrases seem to be efficient, would you not agree?
That is silly and you know it.

There are just as many holes in an entirely selfish society. For example, if all of humanity 30,000 years ago suddenly became fully selfish, humans would go extinct in a single generation. There is no purely selfish incentive to raise and support children; for the first 8-odd years of a human's life, it is essentially a deadweight. Thus, as the modern incentive of "someone to take care of us in our old age" will not apply because people will die of sickness and the like around age 20-30, there is no longer any incentive to support children and the species would die.

I believe this is what is called a strawman argument. You have accurately stated that a fully selfless society would collapse, however you have failed to refute my point.

Let us also use your logic in other scenarios. I enjoy spicy food. Thus, I must enjoy a theoretically infinite amount of spice; if possible, I would consume blocks of pure capsaicin at every opportunity.

Your argument is very similar. As I am stating that humanity is not inherently fully selfish, you assume that I am stating that humanity is fully selfless. This is flawed.
No no no. I did not say that everyone is inherently selfish and inherently not selfless. I said that human nature isn't to be selfless (which is what you said... just read the first quote) and explained why. If human nature is to be selfless, then there would be a society at some primitive point in time such as I described. That cannot be denied. I then go on to say that human nature is to be selfish, however what I also did is direct you to Ayn Rand. I was referencing her philosophy, and was hoping that you would pick up on what I was saying, but I guess you didn't take me up on my offer.

You'll see what I mean if you read even a brief introduction to what Ayn Rand is supporting with her Objectivism ideas.

You are making the same mistake as a couple others have made in this thread in saying my argument was something completely different than it is.

Also, it isn't the dopamine that makes us not be fully selfish, it is the fact that if we don't exhibit kindness (read: Kindness, not selflessness) then we understand society would collapse. Thus we do our part.

There's a few other minor flaws with what you wrote, but I don't want to come off as a jerk so I'll just let them lay as they aren't really important to the argument.
 

Nouw

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Orks da best said:
Nouw said:
It is in Ork nature to BE DA BIGGEST AND DA STRONGEST!
It is in Ork nature to HAVE DAKKA!
It is in Ork nature to BE ROKKIN'!
It is in Ork nature to launch WAAAAAAGHS!

Throughout Ork history, nothing has changed really.
ye just did because of my avatar and name didn't ya?
Of course I did xD! That and this thread needs more Dakka.
 

SoetSout

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also remember the worst stories make the best stories.

for me it comes down to the ego mind.

if a 15year old kid walk up to me and punches out of nowhere in the stomach, il just take it and move on. no need to assert myself, i know i can fling him around like a ragdoll. but i choose not to, for that will only make things worse in the end. and he just punched me, its not life threatening or nothing. so no biggie

Reaction is a choice, and often that choice is guided by the ego mind. which leads to bad choices at times.
you dont get angry, you choose to be angry. Its all about controlling your ego. everything you do is a choice.

sometimes you slam a door hard, sometimes you swear at someone etc... all could have been avoided if you just let your ego go, and think of Everyone and the long term.
 

lapan

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It's human nature to think we would know enough to accurately define human nature.