Italian Organization Promotes and Defends Games As Art
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Gaming is certainly, at least potentially, an art form. Gaming presents a completely different experience from that of books or movies, the experience of control, of being the person involved. They can convey horror in ways that horror movies can only convey startles. There really is an experience to it that goes beyond what this pretentious critics have to say, these Italian guys know where it's at.
So, then, this doesn't count as art?Sir John The Net Knight said:
OT: Yes, gaming is an artform, but how much actually survives the test of time has yet to be seen. Sure, it might be art now, but individual works still can lose relevance in the next 30 years. I mean, da Vinci wasn't the only artist of his time; Rome used to be the center of the art world, then Paris, and now New York. How many artists lived in those places at any one time?
I salute their efforts, as everyone on this site I think, but man, could they have come up with a weirder way to say so? It's a monochromatic bloodstained jacket away from a PS3 ad.
Plus, you don't do a Duck Hunt reference and neglect to mention the dog. It's just bad form.
(I studied Marketing Communication and I'm told that Italian ad agencies are one of the worst in the developed world, so there's that.)
Plus, you don't do a Duck Hunt reference and neglect to mention the dog. It's just bad form.
(I studied Marketing Communication and I'm told that Italian ad agencies are one of the worst in the developed world, so there's that.)
I agree with many of the above posters: games are a medium and can potentially be art. I don't think most of them are today. I also think most of them are going in the wrong direction: trying to imitate other media (mostly movies). But, to be fair it took a long time for written stories to get away from the conventions of oral storytelling, a while for film & TV to break away from just imitating theatre, and several years for comics to break away from the newspaper strip format. So I'm hopeful eventually video games will break out as a truly standalone medium.
A lot of things are subjective. Good and bad are subjective. However, "wrong" is pretty set in stone. Ebert, in this case, is "wrong". You cannot dismiss an entire medium and make such gross generalisations about them. It doesn't work like that. If I saw a movie like "American Pie" and thought, "Oh man movies are really shallow, I didn't connect with it at all; therefore movies cannot be art," then that'd be making some sort of horrible generalisation.adderseal said:
Honestly, if Ebert is blind to this, he's a completely arrogant, ignorant fool. Otherwise, he's a damn good troll.
But who can say that any art is good, It's all in the eye of the viewer, Two people can look at a piece of art and have completley different opinions of it.jmoore4ska said:
Theres no such thing as bad art, well at last to me there isn't
Well, yeah. Obviously there are people who like the Tim and Eric yada yada. While i personally don't think it's good, other people may think it's genius.headphonegirl said:But who can say that any art is good, It's all in the eye of the viewer, Two people can look at a piece of art and have completley different opinions of it.jmoore4ska said:
Theres no such thing as bad art, well at last to me there isn't
...I just think its stupid.
But others might not!
(But it is...maybe.)
No, you just have your own standard for "good art." That doesn't mean everyone has to agree to that standard; they have their own standards for "good art" that might not include what you like. Different opinions can still be perfectly valid opinions.Sir John The Net Knight said: