It's offical. The protestors are getting stupider.

[luke10123]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44800021/
Maybe the police actually do need to start beating some sense into these people.

Not going to argue that a lot of these folk could use a slap but these days even the tiniest bump or scrape means another lawsuit, that's not going to do local government any good at all.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44800021/

So, a group of the Occupy Wall Street protestors decided, 'Hey. Let's make a Bank Run!' (For those who don't know what that is, it's when a bunch of people go to withdraw their money at the same time with the purpose of causing the bank to crash. This happens because the banks don't actually have large amounts of money in them. When you put money in the bank, they loan that money out to other people.)

When this happens on a wide scale, it's called a bank panic. Know what happened the last time a bank panic occurred? The Great Depression. And no, that wasn't coincidental. The bank panic directly caused the Great Depression because everyone attempting to withdraw money that didn't exist caused the economy to completely collapse. Which leads me to my point-

Crashing the economy would mean that the 99% will be the only ones who suffer. The people with obscene amounts of money will just ride through the inevitable rampant inflation like nothing happened while everyone else loses everything because they can't afford $1,000 loafs of bread.

People keep bitching about police brutality that isn't even happening. Maybe the police actually do need to start beating some sense into these people.

WOW @ your last statement. Maybe some one should start beating some sense into you. How's that sound?

"Police brutality that isn't even happening"? Have you even been to a protest yet? What does it take to qualify as police brutality? Is everything below torture acceptable?

I'm not even going to dignify your actual point with a response as you show a general lack of knowledge about the Great Depression. There was a lot more to it, and it was much more about the rich people at the top taking their money out (possibly just to fuck with the market and cause the crash), not the pissed of work-a-days at the bottom.

 

[Da Orky Man]

How am I giving the police a bad name? The only thing I'm pointing out is that it isn't as one-sided as people think. If someone punches a police officer, they have a right to defend themselves, with pepper spray or without. 'Police brutality' is exceedingly rare.

No one is saying they don?t have the right to defend themselves but what they aren?t allowed to do is attack people without provocation and reason. And if you really think that cases of police brutality are rare all you need to do is look on google or even just here on the escapist we have plenty of threads . people are getting hit , pepper sprayed and even run over by motorcycles ???

As for why I think you shouldn?t be a cop. as someone who was part of the army police force ( for a short while) I can tell you that (at least here) you are only allowed to use minimal force ( just slightly above the person who is attacking you. just enough to stop him nothing else ) and you are only allowed to use force if the attack was meant to harm you . so when it comes to ground control in protests you are expected to understand that sometimes you may be struck by accident and are not allowed to start randomly hitting people because some guy bumped into you

The few cases of actual police brutality we see are few and far between. They're incredibly rare here in the UK. Even with hyperactive media and the recent-ish London Riots we only saw about three cases appear. At least two of those were later repealed after the video footage was actually seen. This was during a violent protest with thousands of police being called to London, at least tens of thousands of protesters.
However, I don't know the figures where you live, Israel, if your profile is to be believed.

If someone does indeed punch you, then pepper spray is of suitable use. It temporarily blinds you so they can't hit you again. If anything, a retaliatory punch intended to prevent them from hitting you again is much more dangerous. In the heat of a protest, you can't realistically tell the difference between an accidental shove and an actual punch.

I don?t know much about the situation in the UK
But when it comes to this protest people have provided plenty of videos and links to news stories of police abusing their power

Spoiler: copy pasta from someone else

And like I said cops should be expected to understand that sometimes you may be hit by a protester and the videos above show exactly how NOT to deal with such a situation

Each of those is from the same American protest. No disrespect towards America, but such acts are much rarer here. And here, that woman screaming 'Fascists! Fascists!' could be arrested for inciting hatred.

 

[Bebus]

Any British people remember that facebook group a few years back about buying carrots on a particular day? Anybody actually do it?

Yeah.

Bah, do it or don't, I am past caring.

 

[mike1921]

Police brutality that isnt actually happening?

LOL. Just laugh out fucking loud. You are a thousand times more delusional than the stupidest wall street protester, OP.

Because obviously police aren't allowed to defend themselves. If someone hits them, they should stand there and do nothing.

The moped thing was staged. (And he wasn't a protestor. He was a legal observer)

The two women who were pepper sprayed...don't know the story behind that, but it's fucking pepper spray. You're fine after like half an hour.You get over it.

Call me when the police start firing live rounds into groups of protestors. Then we'll talk.

You get over it.
The Pain. The Humiliantion, The fact that the people that are supposed to protect you hurt you.
Stop being a prick and realize that physical harm is not something to be taken lighly.
A woman sued McDonalds for a hot coffe mug. And you disregard pepper spray?

Police are there to protect society as a whole, not individuals.

Not really sure why you brought up the McDonalds woman when I don't know ANYONE who doesn't think the case was fuckin' ridiculous. You order hot coffee, you get hot coffee. If you spill it on yourself, it's your own goddamn fault and you should take responsibility for that. It's not like a McDonalds employee ran out and dumped the coffee on her. Anyway...

Yes, I disregard pepper spray. I've been sprayed by it before, and yes, it stung really fucking bad (It's like if you went to a beach with shorts on a very windy day in your eyes), but it didn't cause any permanent damage. It's something you GET OVER.

If you assault a civilian who's not assaulting you or anyone else you should go to jail, whether you're a police officer or not and whether that's your job or not.

That case wasn't ridiculous the coffee was hot enough to need skin grafts to fix the damages and the coffee was too hot by about 50 degrees. It was mcdonalds fault it was hot enough to give third degree burns.

You seem to have no idea what a civilized society is. See, in a civilized society assault is assault and when you assault someone for no good reason you go to jail.

Although quite frankly I think cops, as enforcers for the law should be put up to higher standards than the rest of the populace and any crimes that a cop commits on duty should have much higher penalties than what any other person would get.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

It's a good way of proving the point that the banks are creating a false economy. Which is bad.

Spoken like a person who doesn't ever want to buy anything on credit. You didn't really want to own a house one day did you?

Maybe credit shouldn't exist. Maybe it's a failed invention. I mean it's only been around for what, like 60 years or so (at least in it's modern form), and frankly it seems like it's only caused strain on the economy. Too many people buying too much shit they can't afford. I think one of the more subtle side effects of credit is that sellers think that they can charge more for their stuff because people can afford it if they charge it and pay another company installments.

Imagine how much better the world would be if we weren't showering ourselves in excessive crap we only intend to pay for later. Down with excessive crap in general. How many storage spaces are there across this country filled with holiday decorations and other pointless crap that the owner of the space doesn't even want to look at? Now how many homeless people do you suppose you could fit into all those unused spaces?

Credit leads to false wealth, and wealth in any form leads to excessive greed.

 

[jago107]

Im not going to pretend to understand economics (because I don?t ) but from what ive seen police brutality is happening. so if you lie about that why should I believe anything else you say?

also yes a large scale withdraw is a bad, bad idea .

Police brutality is when they kidnap and torture you for weeks. It's not when someone gets pushed back because they tried to punch a police officer.

You are so wrong, it's not even funny. Police brutality is not just them kidnapping you and torturing you for weeks. In fact, if a group of police was found to be torturing someone for any length of time, they would all probably be fired and brought up on charges themselves, because torture is completely illegal, unless you work for the Feds or the military.

Police brutality is ANY time they abuse their power by assaulting someone. Rodney King, THAT was police brutality and it didn't last for weeks. It only lasted a few minutes but it was still an extreme case of police brutality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESNuvQ_o-G0&list=LL7QCo7cpVlHs6NaWU8Se9jA&index=11

There's a case talked about in this video from July (skip to 5:34). THAT is police brutality. The case of the girls being pepper sprayed is police brutality.

And as for the discussion on the great depression and bank runs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg

Skip to 4:50 or better yet, just watch the whole thing. I promise you'll have a better understanding of our economy.

 

[Brian Hendershot]

I can't believe I am about to do this but...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-types-wall-street-protesters-hurting-their-own-cause/

Gladstone gets it.

Anyhow OP, police brutality is always a bad idea. Just saying.

 

[Zoe Castillo]

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[lacktheknack]

Tact is dead.

That's the only conclusion I've drawn after reading this thread.

 

[Shemming]

This is another case of the media giving one sided cover of the protests, in any large group of people they'll be idiots. this is just another case of the coperations in control of the news feeding out there one sided agenda. this jsut shows how much control they have over the masses.

 

[Heeman89]

Clegane]

SNIP

The Wall Street protesters are stupid anyway. hey don't have a clue how the economy works, they don't have a clue what they're arguing for, their just a bunch of idiots with too much spare time. There's a brilliant photo of a protester holding up a "Down with corporations sign" While he is texting on his iphone, wearing oakleys sunglasses and designer clothes. What an idiot.

The most annoying ones are the ones who think the rest of the world support them. I saw one sign that read "London is rising with us." Lol, no it isn't.

Because if you want a change in the way the world works, you're not allowed to wear/use the toys that corporations make, amirite?

HEY YOU! YOU DON'T LIKE CAPITALISM! YOU HAVE TO WEAR CLOTHING YOU MADE YOURSELF OUT OF FLAX! YOU CANNOT DRIVE! YOU MUST WALK EVERYWHERE, BAREFOOT!

Sorry, doesn't work that way.

I don't think he was implying that protesting with clothes made by corporations was bad, he was merely commenting that that guy probably doesn't "get it" while he is standing around waving that sign. That guy is there because he saw it on Facebook or Twitter and all his friends are attending it so he went because he didn't want to be left out. He probably doesn't understand that corporations that use practically slave labor in other countries to make your "designer" clothes are just as much a part of the problem as the corporations who didn't get to where they are by good old values like hard work instead they got there by screwing someone else or kissing ass or corruption.

OT: I still haven't figured out if I "like" (not sure how else to put that) these Occupy people yet. I'm trying to understand what they are trying to accomplish but they don't seem to have a clearly defined long term plan.

The problem I really have is just the HUGE double standard with the media in the US of A. When the "Tea Party" started people were calling them "extremist", "hateful", "racist" etc when all they were doing was protesting against what (my opinion) looks like government run health care. For those who believe in small government, that is a BIG deal. But with "Occupy" people if ANYTHING happens to them, instant violation of their First amendment rights. If the owner of the PRIVATELY owned park wants to close it to clean it up (because if he doesn't he will be violating health and safety regulations in the city) they claim that he is trying to shut them down and crush their rights. No he is isn't! He has to follow the law! If someone gets hurt on his property he could be liable. It's double standards like this that make me weep for this country.

 

[DocApoc]

Which game is this? It sounds terrible. I will not be buying it.

 

[Da Orky Man]

Speaking as someone who has been tortured...

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, Any abuse of police power is Police Brutality. The police have absolutely no right to harm a citizen who is peacefully protesting. There are little to no cases in this protest where people are physically harming one another, therefore every arrest, every pepper spraying that I have seen at these protests, I can safely call Police Brutality.

DO NOT attempt to downplay police brutality, as it is the first step on the road to government funded gas chambers.

"Fear the Government that does not fear it's people."

Also, for taking torture so lightly, from one person to another, go fuck yourself.

"Abuse of power". I know of next to no cases where the police can be seen to have abused their power in the UK nor the US. If you are dealing with a huge amount of protesters in a country with extremely lax gun laws, then the police must be prepared for the possibility of a violent outcome. The police have a hard job during a protest. They have thousands of people pushing at them, hurling insults and occasionally a fist at them. If someone attacks a police officer, then pepper spray is a suitable retaliatory method, since it's designed to prevent the attacker from causing any more damage.
And arrests are not brutality. I was once arrested because I had a paracetamol in my pocket. They suspected it may be an illegal drug, so I got pulled in. Once they tested it, I was let out. Every arrest I've seen at the London Riots a while back was made against someone who was either looting or assaulting someone.


And I'm sorry to hear you have been the victim of police brutality before, but don't judge them all. Most police are good, hard-working people.

 

[Grant Hobba]

Your summary of the trigger of the great depression is quite glib, but if it helps you spin your narrative, I say embrace it. LOL PROTESTERS!

Alright, I'll go a bit more indepth.

The Great Depression first 'started' when the stock market started to tank. Because value was going down so quickly, everyone started selling off their shares. Since everyone was selling their stock but nobody was really buying, it caused the stock market to crash so rapidly that banks were forced to shut down because, in addition to giving people loans (Who then used that to invest in the stock market), they also invested in the stock market themselves.

With news that some banks were falling, a great number of people pulled their money out of banks at the same time. Because the banks didn't actually HAVE that money to give out (Because it was loaned out to other people), those banks were forced to close as well.

Companies and businesses that failed to pull out of the banks fast enough lost all of their money when the bank closed. So it became a race against time to pull out all of your money, which caused the banks to fail even faster.

It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. People took their money out of the bank because they were afraid it would fail, which caused them to fail...

Anyway, the banks going down caused many businesses to go bankrupt which meant many people lost their jobs. Prices started to inflate, but noone was making enough money to pay the higher prices. So more people lost their jobs because the business couldn't afford to keep them on because nobody was buying their products, but noone was buying their products because nobody had any money.

And so the cycle continued until the global economy crashed. Fun story, no?

Edit: So while the trigger of the Great Depression was the crash of the stock market, by doing a wide-scale bank run, they're skipping that step and going straight to 'crash the banks'. Which is what actually caused the GD.

I wouldn't say global, I'd say most first world countries crashed.

I doubt highly that it has even the slightest effect on Mexico or other already poor countries ^.^

 

[weker]

Police brutality that isnt actually happening?

LOL. Just laugh out fucking loud. You are a thousand times more delusional than the stupidest wall street protester, OP.

Because obviously police aren't allowed to defend themselves. If someone hits them, they should stand there and do nothing.

The moped thing was staged. (And he wasn't a protestor. He was a legal observer)

The two women who were pepper sprayed...don't know the story behind that, but it's fucking pepper spray. You're fine after like half an hour.You get over it.

Call me when the police start firing live rounds into groups of protestors. Then we'll talk.

When officers start doing that it's murder not brutality, Police have been shown repeatedly harming members of the public when they are doing nothing, or overreacting to other events.

Even if you claim that when the camera dips someone attack or something, that does not condone using mace on a large crowd, he even caught an officer next to him with the spray.

There are many others online, from parking on peoples legs, too punching a man in the back of the head, while he was walking away.(who some posted as they thought it was a woman sexism FTW (sarcasm))

If you think police brutality is made up at the 99% protest, then you are either ill informed, haven't researched enough, or are being ignorant to the possibility.

Also so you wouldn't mind if police were allowed to spray anyone with mace? that stuff canes, that's why your not allowed to go around spraying people in the face with it.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

At first I was wondering if I was going to read about them assaulting a bank, that would at least come into the realm of getting stupider.
Also, I have news for you: People do this kind of thing all the time. Im pretty sure the Great Depression only happened once so there were clearly different factors other than "people withdrew lots of money from Mr. Bankey herpy-derp."

This? I don't see the big deal. Besides, that monthly fee is ridiculous anyway, so they're just fighting back in the only way they can...peacefully. What are they suposed to do otherwise? Just say "okay bankers, charge me whatever you want! Want us to bend over, if it would be easier?"


If the banks were that afraid about it they'd just change the policy.

btw, captcha: pneumococci...No reason, I just thought it was funny

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44800021/

So, a group of the Occupy Wall Street protestors decided, 'Hey. Let's make a Bank Run!' (For those who don't know what that is, it's when a bunch of people go to withdraw their money at the same time with the purpose of causing the bank to crash. This happens because the banks don't actually have large amounts of money in them. When you put money in the bank, they loan that money out to other people.)

When this happens on a wide scale, it's called a bank panic. Know what happened the last time a bank panic occurred? The Great Depression. And no, that wasn't coincidental. The bank panic directly caused the Great Depression because everyone attempting to withdraw money that didn't exist caused the economy to completely collapse. Which leads me to my point-

Crashing the economy would mean that the 99% will be the only ones who suffer. The people with obscene amounts of money will just ride through the inevitable rampant inflation like nothing happened while everyone else loses everything because they can't afford $1,000 loafs of bread.

People keep bitching about police brutality that isn't even happening. Maybe the police actually do need to start beating some sense into these people.

I am not quite sure what you are saying. Are you saying that 40k odd people will crash an economy doing this? I disagree with this knowing how the PLR and SLR work. On the other hand are you just saying this is bad idea? This I agree with as it won't collapse the economy but it won't help the situation.

There is police brutality but I agree this is not the way to go about protesting it.

 

[Professor_Page]

You guys need to stop worrying about the economy and start worrying about Winter.

You won't be crying about banks when the whitewalkers storm the cities.

EVERYONE TO THE WALL! WINTER IS COMING!

 

[Da Orky Man]

Speaking as someone who has been tortured...

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, Any abuse of police power is Police Brutality. The police have absolutely no right to harm a citizen who is peacefully protesting. There are little to no cases in this protest where people are physically harming one another, therefore every arrest, every pepper spraying that I have seen at these protests, I can safely call Police Brutality.

DO NOT attempt to downplay police brutality, as it is the first step on the road to government funded gas chambers.

"Fear the Government that does not fear it's people."

Also, for taking torture so lightly, from one person to another, go fuck yourself.

"Abuse of power". I know of next to no cases where the police can be seen to have abused their power in the UK nor the US. If you are dealing with a huge amount of protesters in a country with extremely lax gun laws, then the police must be prepared for the possibility of a violent outcome. The police have a hard job during a protest. They have thousands of people pushing at them, hurling insults and occasionally a fist at them. If someone attacks a police officer, then pepper spray is a suitable retaliatory method, since it's designed to prevent the attacker from causing any more damage.
And arrests are not brutality. I was once arrested because I had a paracetamol in my pocket. They suspected it may be an illegal drug, so I got pulled in. Once they tested it, I was let out. Every arrest I've seen at the London Riots a while back was made against someone who was either looting or assaulting someone.


And I'm sorry to hear you have been the victim of police brutality before, but don't judge them all. Most police are good, hard-working people.

I am not judging all police for the actions of those who abuse their power, not by a longshot, I love the police and I know they are mostly made up of caring people.

But...

""Abuse of power". I know of next to no cases where the police can be seen to have abused their power in the UK nor the US."


ARE YOU KIDDING?

What planet do you live on?

I'm glad someone knows the police are doing a decent job. It's hard to find rational-minded people.

Ok, I concede that I don't know much about police controversies in the USA. But almost every case I hear about in the UK is later shown to either be the media blowing things out of proportion, or the protester hitting first. There are always exceptions, but they are relatively rare.