It's ok to be angry about capitalism

[Phoenixmgs]

OK. So let's say person A has a deadly medical condition, which their insurance company refuses to cover.

At the next election, they go to the polls and vote for a candidate that wants to write/pass legislation to cover it.

Has that person's situation now been resolved?

We're talking about a single person's issue now? How is this single person using violence going to solve anything? You think they will walk into a hospital with a gun and get the treatment they think they need? We're talking about a rather large societal issues and whether violence by a large group is necessary. The overall state of healthcare could've been changed if people stopped voting in parties that suck decades ago. How are people not getting what they voted for when they voted for this?

 

[Silvanus]

We're talking about a single person's issue now?

As an example, yes. Because decisions of how to react are made by individuals to individual circumstances.

How is this single person using violence going to solve anything? You think they will walk into a hospital with a gun and get the treatment they think they need?

Didn't say it was going to solve anything. That's not what we're discussing.

We're talking about a rather large societal issues and whether violence by a large group is necessary. The overall state of healthcare could've been changed if people stopped voting in parties that suck decades ago. How are people not getting what they voted for when they voted for this?

Actually no, we're not discussing whether "violence by a large group is necessary". Right now I'm asking about your claim that the solution is just to vote in people who will fix the healthcare system.

I'm giving an example of someone who has followed your advice, and voted for such a candidate. Is their situation resolved?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Actually no, we're not discussing whether "violence by a large group is necessary". Right now I'm asking about your claim that the solution is just to vote in people who will fix the healthcare system.

I'm giving an example of someone who has followed your advice, and voted for such a candidate. Is their situation resolved?

I was never talking about a single person's problems as the post was responding to was talking about bigger issues. Why would I claim there's never a situation where a person would use violence? Guns are a second amendment right for a reason. What societal problem can't be solved by voting in today's world (besides countries that you can't vote obviously)?

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

Hmmm -

 

[Silvanus]

I was never talking about a single person's problems as the post was responding to was talking about bigger issues.

That's not what I understood from Warren's statement at all.

"Violence is never the answer... but you can only push people so far, and then they start to take matters into their own hands".

This sounds to me like she's explaining how individuals can be driven to violence by circumstance. She's clearly not talking about an organised violent campaign.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

That's not what I understood from Warren's statement at all.

"Violence is never the answer... but you can only push people so far, and then they start to take matters into their own hands".

This sounds to me like she's explaining how individuals can be driven to violence by circumstance. She's clearly not talking about an organised violent campaign.

You think Elizabeth Warren was talking about single person problems? She was talking about billionaires running it all.

 

[Silvanus]

You think Elizabeth Warren was talking about single person problems? She was talking about billionaires running it all.

She was talking about how that situation drives people to desperate and violent acts. It was directly related to the recent killing-- an individual act.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

She was talking about how that situation drives people to desperate and violent acts. It was directly related to the recent killing-- an individual act.

And she's referring to the system that people don't like, not a single person's problem. And the system can be changed by voting.

 

[Silvanus]

And she's referring to the system that people don't like, not a single person's problem.

You seemingly don't grasp that the system directly causes individual peoples' problems. That's her point.

And the system can be changed by voting.

Cool. So that person with the fatal condition, whose insurer is refusing to cover treatment. They've now voted for a candidate who wants to fix it. When can they expect their situation to be resolved?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

You seemingly don't grasp that the system directly causes individual peoples' problems. That's her point.



Cool. So that person with the fatal condition, whose insurer is refusing to cover treatment. They've now voted for a candidate who wants to fix it. When can they expect their situation to be resolved?

Yes, that's any problem... The whole college / student debt problem is a massive issue because it affects lots of people. Of course, every single person being affected by it is an individual problem. But one person doing one small thing isn't going to effect anything.

And violence will resolve their problem?

 

[Silvanus]

Yes, that's any problem... The whole college / student debt problem is a massive issue because it affects lots of people. Of course, every single person being affected by it is an individual problem. But one person doing one small thing isn't going to effect anything.

Uhrm, yes, the same applies to any problem caused by institutional corruption or profiteering. What differs is the severity of how it impacts people. Student debt can financially harm people. Refusal of healthcare coverage can condemn someone to years of suffering or death.

And the expressions of anger-- including violence-- are going to be more frequent and more severe for the instititional problems that cause the greatest suffering.

And violence will resolve their problem?

Nope, didn't say that. Said its a foreseeable response.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Uhrm, yes, the same applies to any problem caused by institutional corruption or profiteering. What differs is the severity of how it impacts people. Student debt can financially harm people. Refusal of healthcare coverage can condemn someone to years of suffering or death.

And the expressions of anger-- including violence-- are going to be more frequent and more severe for the instititional problems that cause the greatest suffering.



Nope, didn't say that. Said its a foreseeable response.

There's more violence for things that cause lesser suffering. Violence over the healthcare system is astonishingly low. When people get violent it's usually emotional and that's when people are the most irrational so it's not about whatever causes the most suffering.

 

[Silvanus]

There's more violence for things that cause lesser suffering. Violence over the healthcare system is astonishingly low. When people get violent it's usually emotional and that's when people are the most irrational so it's not about whatever causes the most suffering.

We're talking about institutional issues here, not interpersonal ones.

I think we've got to the point that comes in every discussion with you, where you're arguing just to argue.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

We're talking about institutional issues here, not interpersonal ones.

I think we've got to the point that comes in every discussion with you, where you're arguing just to argue.

And you vote to change institutional issues...

I was replying to someone quoting MLK about rioting.

 

[Kwak]

I love her so much.

 

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