Jailed Spy: CIA Paid Developer to Make Anti-Middle East Games

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Hardcore_gamer said:
Does the CIA really need to create its own anti-Middle east games? Aren't the CoD games and the million or so CoD clones doing a great enough of a job depicting everyone that is not the West as inane madman who want to take over the world?
That's the point I was going to make. I don't believe this news because I don't think CIA is paying for fucking CoD games. In fact, CoD games do pretty well without the help of any goverment agency, and they use negative stereotypes and cliches like crazy.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
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Kahunaburger said:
Hey guise, I've got an idea. Let's totally treat something the Iranian government is releasing as if it were in any way related to reality.
Because everything that the American government says is always the gospel of truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)#Non_sequitur_in_everyday_speech

I'm talking about whether we buy a "confession" from someone who was in Iranian custody.
Got any proof that the Iranians forced him to confess?

I know Iran isn't a shinning example of human rights and all, but I am sick of hearing people talk about the place like its some kind of a Middle Eastern North Korea. Almost half of everything that people keep saying about Iran is just some propaganda bullshit.

The CIA has a legacy of using propaganda and misinformation as a weapon against America's enemies, so there is nothing about this news story that strikes me as far fetched.
Especially when we're talking about the company that developed Kuma War -- you know, the unabashed propaganda piece? Ordinarily I wouldn't be inclined to trust anything a nation that is on the verge of war with the US says about us[footnote]do a search for "Cyber War." The first hit should be an ABC news article talking about some serious shit going down between the US and Iran, shit serious enough that it would be considered acts of war on both sides if the laws were up to date regarding the internet[/footnote], but the fact that they picked the company that is most known for making Kuma War tells me there's probably at least a grain of truth here, in that the government probably did request that Kuma studios make that particular game for them. I mean, I wasn't even aware that Kuma Games made anything aside from Kuma War prior to reading this article.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Hey guise, I've got an idea. Let's totally treat something the Iranian government is releasing as if it were in any way related to reality.
Hardcore_gamer said:
Because everything that the American government says is always the gospel of truth.
How is that proof to the contrary? If one government lies, all opposing governments must be telling the truth?
I see that crap in US republican/democrat flame wars all the time. Makes no freaking sense.
 

Owyn_Merrilin

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Marmooset said:
Kahunaburger said:
Hey guise, I've got an idea. Let's totally treat something the Iranian government is releasing as if it were in any way related to reality.
Hardcore_gamer said:
Because everything that the American government says is always the gospel of truth.
How is that proof to the contrary? If one government lies, all opposing governments must be telling the truth?
I see that crap in US republican/democrat flame wars all the time. Makes no freaking sense.
I think he was pointing out that this is a he-said-she-said deal coming from two governments, neither of which are exactly known for honesty when dealing with covert operations. It's like trying to mediate an argument between Hitler and Stalin; you can't trust either one of them, they're both known liars.

Edit: No invocation of Godwin's law was intended here. If there were a pair of famous pathological liars that I knew of, I would have mentioned them instead.
 

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"They have lied about any American ... captured in Iran for visiting or tourism, or for any other reason."

One does not simply tours into Persia...
 

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People play games for fun. Brainwashing just doesn't work in video games. Especially not in FPS games. They are too shallow to brainwash people. Do people really hate Russians after playing CoD 4, MW2 and MW3? No they don't. TV news and newspapers are far more successful in brainwashing. It just doesn't work on hardcore gamers. We're a smart bunch. And casual gamers don't play as much to be influence by any political message in games.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
It just doesn't work on hardcore gamers. We're a smart bunch.
Sorry, but this comment was kind of a WTF moment. Flip over to the current thread about the war on used games to see a bunch of gamers who now believe something because of a propaganda campaign. Besides, nobody said Kuma War was meant to brainwash people; it's just a propaganda piece. So was the Donald Duck cartoon Der Fuhrer's Face, and that's actually a pretty well loved cartoon.


Edit: Just a warning, this is a pretty racist cartoon, but it's an American cartoon made as anti-Axis (especially Nazi, but the most racist part of it is the part with the Japanese caricature) propaganda piece; I didn't link to some piece of pro-Nazi propaganda.


Edit Edit: Also, CoD never came into the discussion. We're talking about <link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuma%5CWar>Kuma War here, which is a much more blatant propaganda piece.
 

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It is possible that the CIA would fund a company to make an anti-middle east game. Absolutely. The fact that a middle eastern country extracted a confession out of him means that we now have the EXACT same amount of evidence that the CIA is doing so as we did before the confession: 0. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but we have 0 reason to expect so any more then we did before we read this.

Seriously, a false confession to making a propaganda game is hardly unusual when extracted confessions make innocent men confess to rape and murder in America. And in many places in the middle east, elaborate false, forced confessions are about as common as Miranda warnings.
 

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yeah, i have trouble believing some confessions by american police agencies do you really think i'm going to believe a confession from an american being held in Iran? and this only weeks after the escapists had an article about Iran wanting to make a game about attacking Israel because america is Zionist and it would really piss us off? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114746-Rumor-Iran-Responding-to-Battlefield-3-with-Anti-Israel-Game

yeah not gonna believe them../
 

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Well I used to work in a cafe, and we were secretly planning on taking over the world, so why not Kuma?!
 

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Well its definately an experimentive idea! Would be nice to know if it would actually work?

Also, what was with the picture of Portmeirion on the main page next to this article? It doesn't seem to have any relevance what so ever!! That saying, alot of the pictures that appear nect to links to articles don'e seem to have much relevance...?
 

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It's funny when Americans talk about countries like Iran being so evil.
When the US is the country that waged the most wars in recent history;
sends murder squads to assassinate people like Osama Bin Laden in foreign countries, breaking international law about sovereignty;
talks about the Iranian government cracking down on protesters, and then cracks down on protesters in the US;
violating human rights at places like Abu Graib or Guantanamo were innocent foreigners are held without trial or any reason, besides shitty ones like wearing a specific type of watch;
passing a bill in their own country which would allow their military to arrest or even assassinate US citizens without trial;
I could go on with this.

Really, America? This all is okay?
But if Iran claims the CIA funds anti-muslim video games, "OMG IRAN R CRAZY"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_and_the_United_States

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/cia-waterboarding-video-d_n_539932.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/04/us-iran-america-trial-idUSTRE7632MR20110704

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-21/new-york-police-sued-by-wall-street-protesters-for-civil-rights-violations.html

http://humanrights4all.blogspot.com/2011/12/police-violating-human-rights-in-occupy.html

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43027