James Bond cannot be genderbent

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sumanoskae

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I agree that, from a purely artistic perspective, making Bond female would be of... limited use. As you say, you could tell the exact same sort of story with an entirely original character.

HOWEVER

A female Bond may not improve the film, but it also wouldn't hurt it;
A: Being an inhumanly efficient killing machine with so much charisma that you can have all the sex you want isn't an exclusively male fantasy; the desire for sexual and environmental domination are pretty basic human traits.
B: There's no reason that a character who embodies your fantasies has to be the same gender as you are.

So then this must be nothing more than a matter of personal preference, right? It doesn't matter if Bond is male or female.

But you have to consider not only the film itself, but the cinematic landscape the film would release into. The story implications of a female Bond are debatable, but the cultural and financial implications are ASTRONOMICAL.

Easy one first; if 007 was played by a chick, you better believe that would put the franchise front and center in the media and the public consciousness. In part because, yes, it would piss a lot of people off; wrongfully so, if you ask me, but it would.

Audiences would want to see the movie just to be included in the conversation, either so they can confirm that they predicted how terrible an idea it was, OR so they can say with confidence that everybody else was overreacting. Bottom line; this would be big news and get asses into seats.

Now the more complicated issue...

You have to recognize the power that the name James Bond carries with it; the character has a presence in almost every North American's psychology, for good or for ill. 007 is a symbol for exotic adventure fantasy; he represents excitement, liberation from both lawful and sexual bonds, competence, charisma. James Bond is an almost universally accepted candidate for the coolest fucking guy on earth! With his wits, his words and his skill he can go anywhere and do anything.

Now before anyone says anything, I certainly DO NOT think there is anything inherently sexist about James Bond as a character; some of his individual portrayals have been... let's just say questionable. But by default, James Bond is not dismissive or disrespectful of the women he woos; he either simply enjoys their company, the whole thing is just part of his job, or both.

At the very least, if you're going for the more adventurous and lighthearted interpretation of the character, that's how he SHOULD be if you ask me.

Now, knowing what you now know, try to evoke an image of all the ideas James Bond represents, but applied to a character saddled with the dogma and mores of sexism. James Bond's very essence subverts SO much of it, SO thoroughly. By simply being who they were, the character would make a statement. There would be no need for heavy handed preaching; there would be no need to alter artistic DNA; the idea that a woman can do what 007 does, be everything 007 is, and represent everything 007 represents is a powerful statement for egalitarianism BY ITSELF.

Here we would have a female lead in an action adventure film, whose not only just as clever, magnetic, dangerous and enigmatic as any man, but whose also allowed the freedom in her sexuality that is so often either not permitted of women PERIOD, or theoretically forgiven but always conveniently avoided when it comes to actually informing the actions of main characters.

Here we would have a masculine symbol of power not subverted but expanded, without being diminished or tarnished, in the spirit of universal brotherhood; not a statement of what men or women are uniquely capable or not capable of, but a statement about what ANYONE can be capable of.

This is the bottom line; having a 007 female equivalent is neither as potent nor as public as having the genuine article. This wouldn't just be a film, it would be a stunt.

Now, I recognize that if this goes wrong it will go TERRIBLY wrong; a project like this has the potential to work against it's own intended goals. The film could get mutated into some straw-feminist "Girl power" exploitation flick; the film could just happens to be among the weaker Bond movies, but get inevitably dog pilled on twice as hard; they might shy away from violence because they're afraid to hit a girl; they might adopt some of the franchises previous bad habits and mistreat the Bond Boys(?) in a misguided attempt to "Balance the scales" (After all, "When you gaze long into an abyss..."); they might try to downplay Bond's promiscuity because they think "Women just aren't built that way".

There are a myriad of ways this could all come crashing down, but I have an ego the size of Texas and no financial stake in this fight and I think that against all odds it might just be crazy enough to work.

I can think of scarcely few statements of equality in the arts that would be equal in power to proving that the gender of 007 truly DOES NOT MATTER.
 

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I know a fair number of women who quite like James Bond, but none who have said "You know, I would enjoy this character so much more if he was a woman."

I could go into a fair number of reasons why it wouldn't work in a world that's supposed to parallel our own, but just to throw one into the pot: think about Casino Royale, or The World is Not Enough, for that matter. How do you think an extended scene of an attractive woman being tortured in such a way would play, today?
Exactly the same, and anyone who threw a fit about it should then be invited to grow the fuck up.
 

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I could see it being interesting if they genderswapped the entire world it took place in. Matriarchal society, dudeypenny, uhh... Richard Galore... some room for jokes there while deconstructing the genre and making points about gender issues. If Bubba Ho-Tep taught us anything... you can make a good movie out of any premise.
 

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James Bond cannot be genderbent.
Sure he can. Promiscuous, ass kicking, charming but extremely capable female spy and boom! Genderbent James Bond. We'll call her Jamie. :)

Whether it would be better to create a new character as a female spy from the ground up (it would) is a separate discussion. A spin off 00 movie with a 00 agent who is a woman would be great, and would still benefit from brand recognition since it is set in the same universe and supporting characters from MI6 could still have rolls. James Bond shouldn't have a cameo though, lest he overshadow the new character.
 

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Hopefully they'd make a female James Bond more interesting and less rapey than the male ones we get. As for anyone beating on the 'go make your own characters' drum, the irony here is gobsmacking. James Bond is literally a character that has had different iterations since 1962. I don't see anyone saying 'No George Lazenby, you can't be James Bond, you have to be a different 007. Connery had it first!'
 

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Jux said:
Hopefully they'd make a female James Bond more interesting and less rapey than the male ones we get. As for anyone beating on the 'go make your own characters' drum, the irony here is gobsmacking. James Bond is literally a character that has had different iterations since 1962. I don't see anyone saying 'No George Lazenby, you can't be James Bond, you have to be a different 007. Connery had it first!'
That's not ironic at all. Actors have changed, and the tone of the films has changed, but the character has remained broadly faithful to the literary character. George Lazenby's Bond was a male British spy, just as Connery's Bond was a male British spy.
 

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And what is it about Michael B. Jordan playing the human torch that's unfaithful to the character exactly? Is being white an intergal part of his character? There would be nothing wrong with a female 007. She can take on whatever name she wants imo, I don't see anything special about the Bond character that requires him to be male. British, yea, you could make an argument there.
 

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Jux said:
And what is it about Michael B. Jordan playing the human torch that's unfaithful to the character exactly? Is being white an intergal part of his character? There would be nothing wrong with a female 007. She can take on whatever name she wants imo, I don't see anything special about the Bond character that requires him to be male. British, yea, you could make an argument there.
Who mentioned the Fantastic Four?

A female 007 could work. In the next film they could kill off or retire James Bond and replace him with a female spy who uses the 007 codename, Daniel Craig is as boring as fuck anyway.
 

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They probably shouldn't gender bend bond for the same reason why they shouldn't have made Dante's hair black. You're changing the character in some fundamental way that only serves to piss people off and stir up controversy. That's not a good thing. That's assuming those are their motivations, of course.

There have been a bunch of Bonds, but are they supposed to be the same guy from different eras(I honestly don't know)?

If they are, then they did a pretty poor job sticking to the same look (perhaps just going by whoever seemed bankable/captured the spirit of the character at the time), but at least they did manage to pin down "dude from united kingdom" each time, and I think people would have a right to complain if they changed one of the two defining superficial features that he has. That said, if a woman is more bankable or more suited then that's pretty much the same casting policy they've always appeared to have.

If they're not, then I don't really see a problem with a lady bond.
 

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It was someone on the first page going on about comic book characters. Which is why I phrased my post as I did, leaving it open ended and not limited solely to Bond.
 

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Star Wars also can't have Jarjar Binks, midichlorines, coarse sand, or poorly injected slapstick, yet it does.

Do not mistake what you think should be done with a character/property, for what can be done with it.

I've never really been a huge Bond fan, but after watching that scene where he lets the villain shoot his girlfriend and then cooly remarks on the drink being spilled from atop her head, I really just can't summon any sympathy for him as a noble male fantasy.

Besides, if they made the female Bond a ladies' woman wouldn't that be another kind of ultimate male fantasy?
 

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He absolutely CAN be genderbent, but he shouldn't.
If you want appealing female character in fiction, write one.
Stop taking established franchises and warping them for the sake of your bullshit politics.
Show some goddamn originality and creativity in stead of twisting other people's work so you can leech off of the success of the character you're ruining.
 

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He absolutely CAN be genderbent, but he shouldn't.
If you want appealing female character in fiction, write one.
Stop taking established franchises and warping them for the sake of your bullshit politics.
Show some goddamn originality and creativity in stead of twisting other people's work so you can leech off of the success of the character you're ruining.
 

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sumanoskae said:
Exactly the same, and anyone who threw a fit about it should then be invited to grow the fuck up.
...Can you think of any successful PR or advertising campaign in which "grow the fuck up" was the sentiment expressed?

One may personally believe that a scene is the same whether a man or a woman is the focus, all other factors being identical. Believing that that said perception applies to everyone who views it... Well, it pretty much demands a determined lack of awareness as to how people consume and react to media right now. Even if Bond films only played in the United States or the UK, there wouldn't be such a homogeneous view.
 

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Oh no, that bastion of totally serious business that is the James Bond franchise might have a woman play 007, who is almost by their nature a blank slate character, in the next movie. This is almost as bad as Ghostbusters!

Replace James Bond with a lesbian and you can have literally the exact same movie. I think it would be interesting.
 

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CFriis87 said:
Jux said:
Hopefully they'd make a female James Bond more interesting and less rapey...
Nope...
Can't even muster up the annoyance to deal with any more than that much of this monumentally stupid comment.
The term "rapey" alone tells me everything I could ever need to know about you.
Sorry bro, but Bond straight up rapes Pussy Galore.

edit: all in all, Bond (not just the character, but the franchise as a whole) is steeped in sexism and racism. Would love to see a different direction taken with it.
 

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Why is James Bond taken so seriously? Does anyone remember Moonraker as a whole? Or that idiocy of Live and Let Die? Or Roger Moore dressed as a clown in Octopussy? Or how about Die Another Day with the dumb plot and dumb invisible car? If James Bond can do all of those completely idiotic things and get away with it, I don't see a problem with Bond being a woman. Personally, it could be pretty interesting. Would it be good? Who knows. But it could be ridiculous enough to have some potential. Especially if they play it a bit tongue and cheek. And if it is bad? Who cares? It isn't like there haven't been stupid and terrible James Bond movies before... and it probably would still be better than Moonraker and Die Another Day.
 

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Orga777 said:
Why is James Bond taken so seriously? Does anyone remember Moonraker as a whole? Or that idiocy of Live and Let Die? Or Roger Moore dressed as a clown in Octopussy?
Is it really that ridiculous that a spy might wear a disguise rather than wandering around everywhere in a tuxedo?
 

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Who the fck needs a female James Bond when we already have bloody Cate Archer. What, she not good enough?