James Bond offically dead

[cryofpaine]

The problem with the last two is that in rebooting the series, they took away EVERYTHING that Bond had been since the beginning. I'm fine with making him edgier, and giving him more action and less camp, but to throw away the charisma, the suave sophistication, the wit, and everything else and just have edge and action, means that it's no longer a Bond movie, it's an action movie just like every other cookie-cutter action movie out there.

Take a look at Star Trek. That was a well done reboot. And the main reason was that despite the complete alteration of the history, it was still recognizable as Star Trek. You could sit anyone down who was familiar with the old series, and show them a scene without any context - no names, no backgrounds, no technobabble, just dialog - and they'd be able to identify it as Star Trek. With these last two "Bond" movies, the only things that made them Bond films were a few minor details like the name of the character and the martini. I actually thought QoS was better than CR, because he was slightly more Bond-ish, but not much. They weren't bad movies, but they were bad Bond movies.

 

[Low Key]

Don't worry everyone. As soon as MGM sells off the franchise or defaults in their debt and it gets sold off the highest bidder, there is no question Bond will be back.

 

[Woodsey]

What was wrong with Quantum of Solace?

OT: It's obviously not completely dead, but I do worry that Craig will not get the role again; he's my favourite by far.

Poor story, ineffectual poorly defined bad guys, bad script, one good action sequence and then meh, dire theme tune, doubly dire when measured against the fantastic one Chris Cornell cam up with for Casino Royale.

It was missing the awesome action sequences like the two big jumps in Goldeneye or the construction site sequence in Casino Royal, it also seemed to have completely lost the sense of humour that was in Royale that helped the film along so well.

It also lost it's sense of identity, it desperately wanted to be a Bourne movie, It even used some of the same camera tricks and scene set ups as the Bourne movies do. But Bond is the polar opposite of Bourne, he is the agent with unlimited resources who hunts down and murders men like Bourne without question. Filming it like a Bourne movie was never going to work. Still, it was better than Die Another Day.

I am holding out for Clive Owen as Bond, he would be awesome.

Also, whatever the financial upheavels at MGM, one thing is certain.

James Bond will return...

Oh good God, not that personality-less drone! xD

I think Clive Owen's a little like Nicholas Cage, you either like him or you really fucking don't.

 

[Outamyhead]

Forget Bond, and I disliked Craig anyways, but doesn't MGM also own the rights to Stargate? That upsets me very, very much.

Well...that was something I had forgotten about completely, the original movie was good, the series can choke on it's own crap that it spews out.

 

[Valksy]

I liked Daniel Craig and understood that Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace/Other was always intended as a trilogy and without the final film we are missing the punchline.

Yes I had some troubles with Quantum of Solace, mostly the opening car chase - until I read that there had been a serious accident that killed a stunt performer and I suspected that they had to cobble together the footage they had in to something that made sense. But there was a story there and a far greater conspiracy that is still not explained and now never will be.

The suggestion from what I have been reading the studio heads at MGM were just a pack of fucking fuckwits who mis-managed their way in to bankruptcy.

Look at the last few MGM release titles (according to MGM):

The Pink Panther 2
The Taking of Pelham 123
Fame
Hot Tub Time Machine

With Red Dawn intended to be released in November of this year.

Yeah. 3 remakes. One sequel/remake and only one totally original title out of the five.

Want an explanation for why you are going down the shitter MGM? Really?

 

[tehweave]

*breeeeeaaaaaaaaaathe*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

*faint*

 

[Ironic Pirate]

shame. Craig was really good, despite the mis-steps made in Quantum of Solace. Casino Royale was easily on par with Goldeneye.

-m

I agree. Quantum of Solace was a huge letdown, even the action was subpar.

I'm no expert. but it seems like Paul Greengrass would do a great job with the direction the bond movies are going. Either that, or bring back the huge battles from some of the older ones.

 

[tomtom94]

Matt Smith to play James Bond when it's rebooted.

 

[8-Bit Grin]

You know, I think they've given Bond a good run and should let the franchise lie.

Seriously, a marathon of the films would last DAYS.

 

[Spygon]

Hated Craig in the role (nothing actually against Craig, I just hated that they tried to make him like Bourne but British, it didn't work.) Sure you could argue that it was taking him back to the books, but Bond films haven't actually been that close to the books since Doctor No, (Doctor No being both the first Bond film I saw and the first Bond book I read, the book I read first, then saw the film.) The Bond films have always been a place for everyone's favourite campy superspy ultimate Brit hero, they are not the place for shaky-cam and gritty realism. Look at how much everyone hated the Timothy Dalton era the last time they tried to go gritty etc.

In fact, I think I've just cracked it. Last time they tried to make the films darker they utterly tanked and Bond was canned for nearly twenty years. They didn't learn from their mistake and he's been canned again.

So the solution as I see it is simple. Bring back the Bond Girls, bring back the Gadgets, for the love of God bring back some of that good old fahsioned one liner humour (it's called the Bond One-Liner on TVTropes for a reason after all) and let film Bond get back to film Bond's roots, because he has no business taking from the books anymore.

I do hope he comes back though, he was pretty much my first ever fictional hero at age 10 (I read Doctor No when I was young...)

I thought i was the only one for a second who thought craig was a terrible bond also i could not have put it better myself.

Oh one other thing like the avatar i am a big fan.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I am really sad about this as MGM is probably one of the best movie studios around at the moment I can't believe they got into such debt.

 

[WorldCritic]

That's depressing, I loved Casino Royale and I thought Craig was really good for the role.

 

[IamQ]

Shame, I really liked Daniel Craig. Sure, Quantum of Solace was a pile of shit, but Casino Royale was one of my favourite movies ever.

 

[Tharwen]

I don't like the new style so much. I wish they'd stop trying to compete with the Bourne series and go back to fun, A-team-esque, gadget-y save-the-world nonsense. That ended at The World is not Enough.

 

[soapyshooter]

James Bond was awesome when I was 13. There are far better spy/action movies nowadays. Nostalgia and hard core fans keep it going but its only a matter of time before it stops making money.

 

[Sir Bob]

Not like the last 2 were worth watching, that new guy totally raped it.

 

[electric discordian]

I understand both Justin Beiber and Ewe Boll are free at the moment and the Disney corporation is quite well funded, so no fear guys!

 

[SnipErlite]

Ahhhh but it's BOND. You can't end it.

You don't mess with Bond.