Jedi vs. sith...why?

[oranger]

Does it bother anyone else that there is no middle ground there, or at least a third option?

I mean, Do I have to be a Jedi, altruistic and numb, or a Sith, angry and cruel?
Can't I be altruistic and angry?

In kotor 2, I tried to roleplay a third option, a neutral stance...but I got fed up with being called a Jedi, or a Sith whenever I did something "good" or "evil".

What do you guys think?

 

[Lust]

There are bounty hunters in star wars.

 

[Funkiest Monkey]

Because there is good, and there is evil. That is the eternal struggle.

You can sort-of see a middle ground with non-force parties, however. Such as bounty hunters.

 

[lee1287]

bounty hunters. I'd be that, just work for whoever pays the most, thats what i do in real life aswell, lol.

 

[Kavonde]

Does it bother anyone else that there is no middle ground there, or at least a third option?

I mean, Do I have to be a Jedi, altruistic and numb, or a Sith, angry and cruel?
Can't I be altruistic and angry?

In kotor 2, I tried to roleplay a third option, a neutral stance...but I got fed up with being called a Jedi, or a Sith whenever I did something "good" or "evil".

What do you guys think?

Kinda surprised you had KotOR 2 as your example, since Kreia is a perfect example of walking the line between the extremes. Jolee from KotOR 1 was, too, even if he did lean Light Side and got pissed off if you went evil.

 

[Banana Phone Man]

I was sort of thinking this a while ago. What is the middle ground in star wars? It's just a guess but I would say mercinaries (sorry for the bad spelling). They may do eveil deeds but they do what they are paid to do, if paid they would probably do a good deed. However mecineries are usually gun shooting jet pack flying types of guys, not the sabre weilding, force using guys so if it was a middle ground jedi you were looking for I don't have a clue.

 

[AmrasCalmacil]

There are Gray Jedi in star wars who are pretty much neutral anti-hero types. So, uh. There's your middle ground.

 

[MellowFellow]

There are gray jedi, who are just jedi that are not a part of the order, but are not sith. They are referenced in KOTOR2 because you can get the grey jedi robe. The description of the robe gives some details on them.

Gray Jedi

 

[Les Awesome]

neutral characters aren't really that exciting anyway
I mean would you rather fight in this epic struggle or just watch

 

[oranger]

Does it bother anyone else that there is no middle ground there, or at least a third option?

I mean, Do I have to be a Jedi, altruistic and numb, or a Sith, angry and cruel?
Can't I be altruistic and angry?

In kotor 2, I tried to roleplay a third option, a neutral stance...but I got fed up with being called a Jedi, or a Sith whenever I did something "good" or "evil".

What do you guys think?

Kinda surprised you had KotOR 2 as your example, since Kreia is a perfect example of walking the line between the extremes. Jolee from KotOR 1 was, too, even if he did lean Light Side and got pissed off if you went evil.

Well, kreia was looking for a third way, but the protagonist certainly wasn't allowed to, and that's why I brought up kotor 2..and as for bounty hunters, well...I want my lightning of course, and I believe in playing that zero sum game with the universe...but I'm not a psychopath you know?

 

[demoman_chaos]

Not sure, but I'd likely be among them.

 

[Paragon Fury]

I find the entire Jedi/Sith concept pretty asinine, especially when it comes to powers. Powers have no morality; only the people who use them, and how they use them determines that.

 

[Mr. Omega]

Honestly, I agree. I want to help the innocent, but for profit, zapping evil-doers (translation, those who piss me off) with Force Lightning! If you're not all the way good or all the way evil, you just can't seem to be able to use the Force or handle a lightsaber.

 

[Haunted Serenity]

I always side with jedi. Sith skin is just bad and it's really a crap relationship with your teacher. If i was a jedi I would be a with the light but really stretching the rules.

 

[Kagim]

Because the Jedi order and Sith order are two different groups.

Don't want to be a jedi or a sith? Don't follow either one of there paths and doctrine. The difference is at the level of Accountant and Engineer.

The Jedi seek to control there powers through patience and allowing it to manifest of its own accord through time and practice. A Jedi Master has a great deal of power, years of learning restraint and control prepares a Jedi Master to handle this power with the respect it deserves.

Sith let there emotions run wild and fuel there powers through anger, rage and loss. That's why the Sith grow powerfully so quickly. Though using your powers to seek revenge and the rush of power you can can lead to corruption, which is why the Jedi Order substane from it.

Bare in mind that Luke becomes so powerful because he uses both techniques. He lets his anger flow in his final battle agaisnt Vadar, however he still practices control and restraint. Luke is the balance in the force. The one who can use his emotions to fight without losing control of himself.

Now. Referring directly to the games that's because the gray area is basically "don't get involved, go home, crack open a beer".

The only way to be truly neutral in anything is to not have anything to do with it. So the game would consist of you staying at home and using your force powers to fold the laundry faster. That's not fun.

Finally. When it comes to force powers there is no such thing as dark side or light side. Mace Windu used Force Lightening if I am correct. He wasn't a sith.

While Fore Choking someone to death might be looked down on in the Jedi order and given a high five in the Sith forces if you choose to forge your own path you can do whatever you damn well want.

Note: I know the force isn't real. However there is more options then Jedi and Sith in the Star Wars universe. However the movies focus on particular fights and the games would just be piss boring without conflict.

 

[JoshGod]

i never thought the sith were all that evil. leave them to their own devices and they will only kill themselves.

 

[Cowabungaa]

They're the 2 biggest groups, but not the only ones.

There are, for example, the Jal-Shey [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jal_Shey], Gray Jedis who don't wish to affiliate themselves with the Jedi no more and the Altisian Jedi [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Altisian_Jedi].

You can compare the pool of Force users a bit like the American party system; 2 big ones that everyone know and plenty of smaller groups hoovering around them.

 

[Iron Criterion]

Because the Jedi order and Sith order are two different groups.

Don't want to be a jedi or a sith? Don't follow either one of there paths and doctrine. The difference is at the level of Accountant and Engineer.

The Jedi seek to control there powers through patience and allowing it to manifest of its own accord through time and practice. A Jedi Master has a great deal of power, years of learning restraint and control prepares a Jedi Master to handle this power with the respect it deserves.

Sith let there emotions run wild and fuel there powers through anger, rage and loss. That's why the Sith grow powerfully so quickly. Though using your powers to seek revenge and the rush of power you can can lead to corruption, which is why the Jedi Order substane from it.

Bare in mind that Luke becomes so powerful because he uses both techniques. He lets his anger flow in his final battle agaisnt Vadar, however he still practices control and restraint. Luke is the balance in the force. The one who can use his emotions to fight without losing control of himself.

Now. Referring directly to the games that's because the gray area is basically "don't get involved, go home, crack open a beer".

The only way to be truly neutral in anything is to not have anything to do with it. So the game would consist of you staying at home and using your force powers to fold the laundry faster. That's not fun.

Finally. When it comes to force powers there is no such thing as dark side or light side. Mace Windu used Force Lightening if I am correct. He wasn't a sith.

While Fore Choking someone to death might be looked down on in the Jedi order and given a high five in the Sith forces if you choose to forge your own path you can do whatever you damn well want.

Note: I know the force isn't real. However there is more options then Jedi and Sith in the Star Wars universe. However the movies focus on particular fights and the games would just be piss boring without conflict.

*Sigh* There is always one isn't there...

OT: I can see the point of having the two groups as absolutes, symbolic of the struggle between good and evil, but I never understood why certain powers can only be used by the Sith and vice versa.

 

[Layz92]

It is not true that there can be no grey in a in a black and white orientated conflict. If you have not read the watch series by Sergei Lukyanenko... do it. The Inquisition is a force of balance between light and dark that consists of powerful practitioners of both sides keeping rough equality.

As for does it annoy me that I can't play a middle ground, yes it does. Not so much because it is how I like playing (though it is) but more the fact I like being free to act as I see fit not what lord supermaster asks of me.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Because the Jedi order and Sith order are two different groups.

Don't want to be a jedi or a sith? Don't follow either one of there paths and doctrine. The difference is at the level of Accountant and Engineer.

The Jedi seek to control there powers through patience and allowing it to manifest of its own accord through time and practice. A Jedi Master has a great deal of power, years of learning restraint and control prepares a Jedi Master to handle this power with the respect it deserves.

Sith let there emotions run wild and fuel there powers through anger, rage and loss. That's why the Sith grow powerfully so quickly. Though using your powers to seek revenge and the rush of power you can can lead to corruption, which is why the Jedi Order substane from it.

Bare in mind that Luke becomes so powerful because he uses both techniques. He lets his anger flow in his final battle agaisnt Vadar, however he still practices control and restraint. Luke is the balance in the force. The one who can use his emotions to fight without losing control of himself.

Now. Referring directly to the games that's because the gray area is basically "don't get involved, go home, crack open a beer".

The only way to be truly neutral in anything is to not have anything to do with it. So the game would consist of you staying at home and using your force powers to fold the laundry faster. That's not fun.

Finally. When it comes to force powers there is no such thing as dark side or light side. Mace Windu used Force Lightening if I am correct. He wasn't a sith.

While Fore Choking someone to death might be looked down on in the Jedi order and given a high five in the Sith forces if you choose to forge your own path you can do whatever you damn well want.

Note: I know the force isn't real. However there is more options then Jedi and Sith in the Star Wars universe. However the movies focus on particular fights and the games would just be piss boring without conflict.

*Sigh* There is always one isn't there...

OT: I can see the point of having the two groups as absolutes, symbolic of the struggle between good and evil, but I never understood why certain powers can only be used by the Sith and vice versa.

That's just something they do to give you more reasons to play as one of the two sides in the games.

If both sides had identical powers, it would basically just be a skin swap. Adding gameplay variation isn't that dumb of a development decision.