Jedi vs. sith...why?

[Audio]

Rogue Jedi is a cool idea. A Jedi with his/her own sence of justice, fighting back the sith who want them to join and evading the 'good' Jedi who also want control.

Would make an interesting story and a game with an inevitable choice ending *rolleyes*

 

[JWRosser]

I think if you've got the Force Yoda's gonna track you down. But you do hear about rouge Jedi and shiz

 

[Broken Boy]

As a huge Kotor 1 & 2 fan I would love some middle ground as I to walk that line. But in SW it's black & white good vs evil that whole thing. Kavonde was right Kreia is the best example of true middle.

 

[2fish]

I personally generally play grey characters, so I feel your pain. As discussed by other these people exist it is just that they are not major players in the story so they get little screen time. I mean no story spends much time talking about the neutral party unless they are trying to get them to fight in the grand war. It is sad but we grey people are forgotten often as we are not important to the main plot.

Maybe we will get a game at some point which doesn?t force us to be good or evil, but allows us to choose the path we want. We can only hope as not everyone in the star wars galaxy can be as crazy as the Sith and the Jedi right?

I just wish the labor struggle in cloud city got more screen time, I mean the unions were working hard for workers rights, but did it make the movie?

 

[bloodshed113094]

Their are rebel's, your said middle ground, but everyone wants them dead for not being good or evil ,so they are killed off or are luck as hell

 

[kingcom]

As a huge Kotor 1 & 2 fan I would love some middle ground as I to walk that line. But in SW it's black & white good vs evil that whole thing. Kavonde was right Kreia is the best example of true middle.

No its not. In particular they point out in the expanded universe (note this contradicts with Lucas' prequel series) that the force is not directly light or dark (emphasis on the yoda training scene Empire Strike Back). Its how you tap into it and use it. You can draw through concentration (control) or emotion (release) but that normally results in which kind of powers are manifested, you then are determined as to whether or not you are jedi or 'dark jedi' (this is an ideological belief, not all dark jedi are necessarily evil for example). I would like to point out there are no Sith (though apparently they are coming back in SWtoR). Sith is a race of people that first met with Jedi who left after the great schism.

 

[JamesStone]

Does it bother anyone else that there is no middle ground there, or at least a third option?

I mean, Do I have to be a Jedi, altruistic and numb, or a Sith, angry and cruel?
Can't I be altruistic and angry?

In kotor 2, I tried to roleplay a third option, a neutral stance...but I got fed up with being called a Jedi, or a Sith whenever I did something "good" or "evil".

What do you guys think?

The reason for this is that Lucas was inspired by Greek mythology, who speaks in a battle of good versus evil, the Jedi and the Sith.

 

[Thaius]

That middle option does exist, but it's not really a union of its own.

The Jedi order is pretty much like a monastery on a mountain: its followers are expected to give up worldly feelings and possessions to commit themselves fully to the Jedi order. The Sith are like those who give in to sin, living their lives however they want and living only for their own gain. It is fully possible to have a range in between, but in the Star Wars universe there doesn't seem to be much of an order to that effect.

 

[Broken Boy]

As a huge Kotor 1 & 2 fan I would love some middle ground as I to walk that line. But in SW it's black & white good vs evil that whole thing. Kavonde was right Kreia is the best example of true middle.

No its not. In particular they point out in the expanded universe (note this contradicts with Lucas' prequel series) that the force is not directly light or dark (emphasis on the yoda training scene Empire Strike Back). Its how you tap into it and use it. You can draw through concentration (control) or emotion (release) but that normally results in which kind of powers are manifested, you then are determined as to whether or not you are jedi or 'dark jedi' (this is an ideological belief, not all dark jedi are necessarily evil for example). I would like to point out there are no Sith (though apparently they are coming back in SWtoR). Sith is a race of people that first met with Jedi who left after the great schism.

Well most don't read the novels & play the games all they have to go on is what they see in the movies. Can you deny that's not what they play off in the movies is light vs dark just so they don't have to explain the shades of gray.

 

[LeeHarveyOswald]

Someone has to die.

 

[kingcom]

As a huge Kotor 1 & 2 fan I would love some middle ground as I to walk that line. But in SW it's black & white good vs evil that whole thing. Kavonde was right Kreia is the best example of true middle.

No its not. In particular they point out in the expanded universe (note this contradicts with Lucas' prequel series) that the force is not directly light or dark (emphasis on the yoda training scene Empire Strike Back). Its how you tap into it and use it. You can draw through concentration (control) or emotion (release) but that normally results in which kind of powers are manifested, you then are determined as to whether or not you are jedi or 'dark jedi' (this is an ideological belief, not all dark jedi are necessarily evil for example). I would like to point out there are no Sith (though apparently they are coming back in SWtoR). Sith is a race of people that first met with Jedi who left after the great schism.

Well most don't read the novels & play the games all they have to go on is what they see in the movies. Can you deny that's not what they play off in the movies is light vs dark just so they don't have to explain the shades of gray.

To a point, then theres the whole Vader thing (again ignoring the prequels) thats an interesting character with a shade of grey, constantly trying to see if he has good in an evil character. What is he at the end of Return of the Jedi? Is he truly redeemed for that last act?

 

[Revolutionary]

Yeah you never really see any real estate agents LOL.

 

[Broken Boy]

As a huge Kotor 1 & 2 fan I would love some middle ground as I to walk that line. But in SW it's black & white good vs evil that whole thing. Kavonde was right Kreia is the best example of true middle.

No its not. In particular they point out in the expanded universe (note this contradicts with Lucas' prequel series) that the force is not directly light or dark (emphasis on the yoda training scene Empire Strike Back). Its how you tap into it and use it. You can draw through concentration (control) or emotion (release) but that normally results in which kind of powers are manifested, you then are determined as to whether or not you are jedi or 'dark jedi' (this is an ideological belief, not all dark jedi are necessarily evil for example). I would like to point out there are no Sith (though apparently they are coming back in SWtoR). Sith is a race of people that first met with Jedi who left after the great schism.

Well most don't read the novels & play the games all they have to go on is what they see in the movies. Can you deny that's not what they play off in the movies is light vs dark just so they don't have to explain the shades of gray.

To a point, then theres the whole Vader thing (again ignoring the prequels) thats an interesting character with a shade of grey, constantly trying to see if he has good in an evil character. What is he at the end of Return of the Jedi? Is he truly redeemed for that last act?

Ok you got me there Vader had a few shades of gray but rely only dealing with his son Luke. As for redeemtion I don't know his motives always seemed suspect to me.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

I always saw it as the sith that were the most human really.

They just got a little too corrupt along the way.

The Jedi are certainly not the good guys in my opinion. They shirk off all emotional responsibility. In my eyes they take the easy way out and punish any one who doesn't do the same.

The only reason the sith are bad is because they tend to be lead by sith lords like palpatine. Who actually is evil.

What is required to become a sith is basically just to feel emotion. What annoys me is that you never see someone with these powers that just decides.

'You know what. Fuck you with your ridiculous rules and self deprecation. And fuck you with your mindless hunger for power. I'm gonna stay in the middle. Feel some god damn emotion and not go around killing everyone. It's not always so cut and dry you fucking zealots.'

So I'm probably on the same page as you.

Could not have put it better myself. Even so, I found myself going light side in KOTOR, if only because I am a huge wimp =P

 

[Serioli]

How are mercenaries and bounty hunters neutral? 'I will hunt anyone down in exchange for filthy lucre and I will not perform redeeming acts unless I am paid' That's about as evil as paid assassination.

 

[Fraught]

Fr'aeral (who you might see to the left of this sentence) is a Sith, but he's not evil! He only joined the Sith because of the benefits it got him. He wouldn't hurt a fly, really.

Now, if you could just close your eyes, and we'll...

 

[DeathsHands]

The reason you can't take a neutral stance is because doing so is basically taking a 'Somebody Else's Problem' position (aka doing nothing), which is boring. Simple as that.

 

[Woodsey]

There are grey Jedi.

 

[Tourette]

Jedi are all whining pussies and will die a horrible and painfull death when I slice them up with my shiny red lightsabre

 

[oranger]

Well, I feel the star wars "Good vs. Evil" polarization is getting tired.
I just cannot identify with the characterizations anymore, the perfectly good or perfectly corrupt characters.

edit: neutral doesn't have to mean "doing nothing", it can also mean siding temporarily with one group or another, but always maintaining your own interests. A lot of games try to do this, but the hero/heroine always falls off the wagon don't they? Or the interest in your own "side" is just an affectation, with the needs of the many overriding common sense.