Jenson Button...wins???

[mokes310]

That's right, his fifth place finish in Brazil was enough to seal the Drivers Championship. Does anyone feel like he might be a bit overhyped? The Brawn & it's "double-diffuser" totally dominated the first half of the season...where would he have been without it?

In any case, congrats Jenson, but you're still a see you next tuesday...

 

[Sassafrass]

Yeah, I agree. He was awesome at the start of the season but faded away and got the most good luck I have ever seen in anything that has happened anywhere, EVER!!

Anyways, congrats to Jenson Button and good luck to Felipe Massa when he gets back behind the wheel next year.

 

[mokes310]

Who did what?

Who's Jenson Button?

Formula 1. REAL racing.

 

[Sassafrass]

Who did what?

Who's Jenson Button?

Formula 1. REAL racing.

As opposed to that nasty fake racing.

TBH, I prefer watching Indy Cars.

They overtake a hell of a lot more but England doesn't put them on much.

 

[mokes310]

TBH, I prefer watching Indy Cars.

They overtake a hell of a lot more but England doesn't put them on much.

But does that "overtaking" really mean anything? It's all slip-stream and go, no real skill involved compared with overtaking in F1.

 

[Sassafrass]

They overtake a hell of a lot more but England doesn't put them on much.

But does that "overtaking" really mean anything? It's all slip-stream and go, no real skill involved compared with overtaking in F1.

##

At least they get close to each other, and I did see highlights of Brazil, before you mention Hamilton overtaking Rubens down by the pit wall.

Indy cars just has more of it and is more interesting to me.

Although, I reserve my motor sport for rallying and touring cars.

Love the rallying and touring cars.

 

[mokes310]

They overtake a hell of a lot more but England doesn't put them on much.

But does that "overtaking" really mean anything? It's all slip-stream and go, no real skill involved compared with overtaking in F1.

##

At least they get close to each other, and I did see highlights of Brazil, before you mention Hamilton overtaking Rubens down by the pit wall.

Indy cars just has more of it and is more interesting to me.

Although, I reserve my motor sport for rallying and touring cars.

Love the rallying and touring cars.

Touring Cars are pretty sweet...I like the Aussie V8's as well. Didn't get to watch Bathurst 1000 this year...not much of that on TV in the states.

 

[Deef]

My favorite will still always be Schumacher, even though he doesn't race anymore.

 

[mokes310]

My favorite will still always be Schumacher, even though he doesn't race anymore.

Ralf or Michael? j/k, no one likes Ralf. Schumi was pretty damn good, that's for sure.

 

[Sassafrass]

My favorite will still always be Schumacher, even though he doesn't race anymore.

Ralf or Michael? j/k, no one likes Ralf. Schumi was pretty damn good, that's for sure.

I quite liked Ralf...just for his chin...
Oh, wait, that was Micheal...
... ... ...
I miss Damon Hill.

 

[mokes310]

My favorite will still always be Schumacher, even though he doesn't race anymore.

Ralf or Michael? j/k, no one likes Ralf. Schumi was pretty damn good, that's for sure.

I quite liked Ralf...just for his chin...
Oh, wait, that was Micheal...
... ... ...
I miss Damon Hill.

They both have a mighty chin!

Damon Hill was really good, but for my money, you can't beat Jos Verstappen or Heinz Harold-Frentzen.

 

[Beefcakes]

...I like the Aussie V8's as well. Didn't get to watch Bathurst 1000 this year...not much of that on TV in the states...

Trust me, you didn't miss much
Unless your a Holden person
grr grr Holden grr grr Communism grr Ford brr grr hrr Electrolysis

 

[JemJar]

My favorite will still always be Schumacher, even though he doesn't race anymore.

Ralf or Michael? j/k, no one likes Ralf. Schumi was pretty damn good, that's for sure.

I quite liked Ralf...just for his chin...
Oh, wait, that was Micheal...
... ... ...
I miss Damon Hill.

They both have a mighty chin!

Damon Hill was really good, but for my money, you can't beat Jos Verstappen or Heinz Harold-Frentzen.

For a chin you can't beat David Coulthard....


First handful of races the clear technical advantage of that Brawn car certainly gave him a big advantage, but Rubens was left in the dust for the first half of the season, so you've got to give Jenson some serious credit.

Ironically, given all the talk of Jenson choking under pressure you could level the same accusation at Barrichello, that race in Brazil was full of top-class drives (Button, Webber, Vettel, Hamilton - even Kobayashi) with the notable exceptions of Jarno Trulli (who took out Sutil not the other way round) and Rubinho. Rubens simply didn't have the pace, just as he didn't in Spain.

Button's success this year though really flies the flag for those drivers who've always seemed to miss out on the top notch car. I'm excited for how things will go next year already and I think it'll be good for F1 to have the inaugural Abu Dhabi GP free from the clutter of championship point-scoring and just letting rip.

 

[FightThePower]

Well done Jenson, he proved what a good driver he is. Either that or he proved how awesome his car is. I think it's both.

Aside: His girlfriend is fit.

 

[Cilliandrew]

Schumacher is my favourite driver of all-time. To be honest, since he retired there is no one on the circuit that really grabs me.

I was kind of rooting for Nick Heidfeld (i had a soft spot for anyone who drove for Sauber, for awhile there..) but...meh.

In recent years i've found that all the top drivers are just unlikeable pricks. Lewis Hamilton, Alonso..It's hard to root for those guys..

I guess it's alright that Jenson won.. For the first couple years of his career he was looked upon as an underachieving failure.. F1 really is all about your car, nowadays.. It's very very rare for a driver to be able to make a difference.. In fact, the last driver TO make a difference was Schumacher (When his Benetton was constantly challenging the far superior Williams-cars that Damon Hill was driving!)

Before Schumacher, Ayrton Senna was an incredible driver. Too bad he passed away.

 

[Serperoth]

He's a overhyped I think. Vettel is better, since he was able to almost match him in a worse car. F1 these days is all about the car, not so much the driver. It's all aerodynamics this and KERS that. The last of the old batch is Barrichello (sp?), and he's what? 38? The best driver ever in my opinion was Ayrton Senna. RIP.

Everyone needs to give Sutil a break. He could have PWND at the race, being third or somesuch, until Trulli rammed him. Sutil's luck=FAIL!

 

[Nepeccel]

F1 is all about the car, if it's good you will win and if it isn't you won't have the pace. So blaming Button's victory on his car being brilliant is hardly fair!
And to back that point up, Hamilton had a very bad car at the start of the season, that's right, the previous World Champion could not win races because of it.

To compare Button with Baricello, they have the same car yet Button's pace has been better on average throughout the season (hence the 6 wins in 7 races). At Interlagos, Button continuously moved forward whilst Baricello moved backwards (and no it was not due to his puncture, he was doing badly before that).

And to sum up, F1 is 50/50 with the driver and the car, Jenson Button was the only driver who should have won the Championship because his car was good and he is very good.

What if Rubens had won the championship? A world champion with only 2 wins in his winning season? That would have been pathetic!

 

[Captain Pancake]

I was as surprised as you, mate. I didn't actually watch that, though. I was watching the Gymnastics world championships. Apparently Beth Tweddle is the world champion on the floor.
(I couldn't believe she was twenty four, even without the braces)

My favorite will still always be Schumacher, even though he doesn't race anymore.

Ralf or Michael? j/k, no one likes Ralf. Schumi was pretty damn good, that's for sure.

I quite liked Ralf...just for his chin...
Oh, wait, that was Micheal...
... ... ...
I miss Damon Hill.

They both have a mighty chin!

Damon Hill was really good, but for my money, you can't beat Jos Verstappen or Heinz Harold-Frentzen.

Jackie Stewart FTW! there's a blast of nostalgia.

 

[fulano]

Who did what?

Who's Jenson Button?

Formula 1. REAL racing.

As opposed to that nasty fake racing.

Running dogs are not fake. You just discriminate them because they are dogs.

 

[fix-the-spade]

Does anyone feel like he might be a bit overhyped?

Erm... no, you might like to go and look at Williams and Toyota, who also brought split level diffusers to Australia, you might also like to note their crappy results. It's one part on a car of thousands and it wasn't a championship winning anything.

I genuinely don't understand why people are ragging on Button over his car. Nobody questions Hamilton's ability despite 10+ years of Mclaren financed best-of-everything equipment.

Button's won six races this year and scored at all but one, that's a better record than Hamilton last year or Raikonnen the year before. He's been part of the team that developed the car, then he's made the best posible use of it. Even when it didn't give him a crushing advantage he stayed consistent and got good results.

Put it another way, at the Brazil gp yesterday Button went from 14th to 5th, Barrichello went from 1st to 8th in an identical car, even without the puncture Button had got in front on speed. If it's purely the car, why didn't Barrichello finish second at all the races Button won and why has he gone from ahead of Button to behind him all those times this year?

He's spent nearly ten years running around in sub-standard machinery (either as number 2 driver or in BAR/Honda's case, being ignored by management who 'knew best') and finally this year he got a car to match his abilities.

He's earned his championship and then some.


Although it must be said that the Yoda like influence of Ross Brawn clearly plays a role, any driver he works with seemingly gains brilliance, best car or not.