Jim & Yahtzee's Rhymedown Spectacular: Games, Games, Everywhere.
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It has so many uses. ...and tastes great on a sandwich.Imp Emissary said:Good show today!
You both made some great points with your topics.
"Banning fake violence won't stop real violence."
And.
"Just because it's "Indie" doesn't mean it's original."canadamus_prime said:
What so violence in media isn't responsible for crazy people being crazy?!
and Puzzle platformers aren't original?!
Well then my mind is blown #sarcasm.
and Puzzle platformers aren't original?!
Well then my mind is blown #sarcasm.
Cars have an important transportation function, knives have an important culinary function. You can't compare a weapon to a practical tool. Guns make it easier to kill larger amounts of people and serve such a small function in civilized life. It's reasonable to require a background check for them, and to limit clip size so that you can only kill so many people with one if you're a murderer. If you're going to say this is about people wanting to ban all guns then point me to one American politican, they have to be at the level of a governor,congressman, president/VP or cabinet member, who supports such a thing. I have never heard rhetoric of banning all guns from any one important besides people using it as a strawman.Desert Punk said:
Pretty much this.mike1921 said:
I think there is one important question which should be asked that no one seems to be asking: why are all of the non-lethal ammunition types banned from public use, or illegal for private citizens to use? I haven't done any in-depth research on this, so don't take what I say as 100% fact, but as far as I can tell all forms of non-lethal measures to stop and/or incapacitate an attacker are illegal for private citizens to own (IE: rubber bullets, disrupter rounds, sandbag rounds, pepper spray bullets, taser rounds -- and yes, those last two types DO exist). Why is this? I see real bullets being needed for hunting purposes for specific kinds of rifles, but why not avail all of the non-lethal measures to the public? Then there would no longer be the need for citizens to carry live ammunition to defend themselves, but this is just in my opinion.
On that same note, why (at least in California) are there only five types of taser a citizen is allowed to own? The rest are for peace officers only. Again, why limit stopping power of a non-lethal level to only law enforcement rather than the general public? I know I would have no qualms about owning a gun if I had access to non-lethal ammunition types, or a reliable taser....
I really don't want to turn this into a debate thread, honestly, I am just genuinely curious about this. lol
Off Topic: Allow me to explain why your analysis of The Catcher In The Rye is wrong; Holden never wishes to be accommodated in fact he is open about with his feelings that he is kind of shitty person. Holden journey revolves around his internal struggle as he reflects on world around him. He realizes the reason he is the way he is his partly his fault but he has also been rejected by his society. Holden is a pariah as he is antithetical to the average person during the post WII years in America. Where people where expected to be conformist and submit to authority Holden questioned.WaitWHAT said:
Surely people who go on the escapist where probably ostracized in school.
(Note that I went to Wikipedia for the whole poem, which is relevant to the title but not to Yahtzee's and Jim's poems.)
Month after month, month after month,
Indust-ry stagnation
As idle as a heavy gun
Under a dirty ocean.
Games, Games Everywhere
Yet the industry still sank,
Games, Games Everywhere
Any new ideas? Blank.
Month after month, month after month,
Indust-ry stagnation
As idle as a heavy gun
Under a dirty ocean.
Games, Games Everywhere
Yet the industry still sank,
Games, Games Everywhere
Any new ideas? Blank.
Except that guns is a tool that empowers, there's a difference between mad with power and mad without power. A mad man with the power of a gun or to launch a nuke is much more dangerous than one without.RJ 17 said:Yeah yeah, I'll bight. Guns are no more to blame than games, movies, books, pictures, and spoken word. Crazy people will do crazy things whether or not they have a gun to do them with.
Political differences aside, I still enjoyed both poems, though the meter in Jim's seemed a bit off.
Both guns and games are two different perspective taking on the same situation. One claims that we should take away things that make people mad and one claims that we should take away power for mad people to minimize damage. However, taking away power from the mad is a much more sound solution while weather games make people mad is still indebate.
I would really like to get into the nine different kinds of irony and symbolism that Jim seems to be working with, but I can't get over how much it looks like he's getting a BJ during the first few frames of that video.
If you're in America, then the 2nd amendment automatically deals with such issues i.e. limiting of acquiring arms is illegal as per the Constitution. No more needs to be said about that.mike1921 said:
As for the car comment, why not lower the speed limit to 15mph? That way, less people would die in traffic related accidents. Even more interesting, as arriving on time is not a right given by the Constitution but merely a luxury, this should be relatively easy to do.
The bold part is your problem, tasers are not what you would call reliable. Watch any video where an officer is trying to subdue a suspect using a taser. One hand aiming the taser, the other on his sidearm. In many situations where he is not, his life is at risk. I've seen officers get shot because they thought the taser was going to work. Instead, the suspect just shakes it off or is at least able to shoot. Pepper spray is no different, if you eat enough spicy food (not crazy amounts, just on a regular basis) you're practically immune to it.Jaden Kazega said:
If you want a weapon that is legal and sure to defend you, get a knife. In almost any CQ situation (4-5 meters) a person with a knife can inflict life threatening injury to even a person armed with a gun
Jim is totally wrong. It's different when I buy the exact same game with different skins, because indie is exempt from logic!
Well, it's no more glib than the indication that people believe guns are the cause of violence.
And, of course, the slippery slope it follows for comedic effect.
It probably doesn't help that it points out the stupidity of the stance taken by one of the biggest gun lobbies in America. That is to say, "these shootings are out of hand and have to stop....LET'S BAN VIDEO GAMES!"
That's bound to snag some emotions.
And possibly confusing.Thunderous Cacophony said:
That they are sentient artifacts from the pits of Hell manufactured by dark incantations taught to us by creatures from the 13th dimension?Adam Jensen said:
I agree. Shootings are just as likely to happen with video games. Ideas are just as lethal as bullets, and if we just showed pictures to people, we'd have the same end result. There is a direct correlation between games/books and violence, and the nirvana fallacy is a strong argument in favour of firearms.RJ 17 said:Yeah yeah, I'll bight. Guns are no more to blame than games, movies, books, pictures, and spoken word. Crazy people will do crazy things whether or not they have a gun to do them with.
Political differences aside, I still enjoyed both poems, though the meter in Jim's seemed a bit off.
Well, it's no more glib than the indication that people believe guns are the cause of violence.
Though neither are the reason for Yahtzee's segment today. Not that I disagree, it just seems weird to be even having this discussion when the core of the mockery here is the notion that certain bodies have effectively said "these shootings are out of hand and have to stop....LET'S BAN VIDEO GAMES!"Legion said:
And, of course, the slippery slope it follows for comedic effect.
Guns are srs business and the simple implication that guns might be a problem is such to trigger a rote response in most 'Murricans.Deshin said:
It probably doesn't help that it points out the stupidity of the stance taken by one of the biggest gun lobbies in America. That is to say, "these shootings are out of hand and have to stop....LET'S BAN VIDEO GAMES!"
That's bound to snag some emotions.
Somehow, this thread has made me think about school.
And how language classes could be improved by choosing interesting literature and such rather than always falling back on the classics for your respective country. Not saying the classics are bad, but they're maybe not the best thing to make kids read, and be enthusiastic about it.
Or at least diversify it a bit. As a lot of the classics in my own language, and English, tend to be rather depressive stories(for example, "A Dollhouse" by H. Ibsen.)
Annyway...
Just want to throw in one comment about the gun debate(which was mentioned a few times before):
Guns themselves don't cause violence, no.
But they make the consequences of it much more severe.
And how language classes could be improved by choosing interesting literature and such rather than always falling back on the classics for your respective country. Not saying the classics are bad, but they're maybe not the best thing to make kids read, and be enthusiastic about it.
Or at least diversify it a bit. As a lot of the classics in my own language, and English, tend to be rather depressive stories(for example, "A Dollhouse" by H. Ibsen.)
Annyway...
Just want to throw in one comment about the gun debate(which was mentioned a few times before):
Guns themselves don't cause violence, no.
But they make the consequences of it much more severe.
I think it's a great book that for some reason almost everyone reads wrong. When I read it I thought it was a clear example of an unreliable narrator - a protagonist who's surrounded by well-meaning people who want to do right by him and who keeps rejecting them all. But I appear to be in the minority and everyone else seems to think he's an insightful teenager who really is seeing through everyone else's phoniness.Desert Punk said:
So, is it your opinion that the 2nd Amendment allows anyone to buy a nuclear missile?furai47 said:
I'm honestly curious just how broad you (and other pro-gun right advoctes) are willing to stretch this bit of logic.
Thirded. What a whiney little douche for a protagonist. My English teacher for senior year said that book inspired the assassination of John Lennon, but I think that guy would have done it regardless. You can't blame anything but the crazy people for their actions.RJ 17 said:
Wait, I thought all the members of Green Day were from Berkeley, CA? I live near there, and there's a huge fan following throughout Alameda County.Certainly would fit with the pretentiousness of indie games. Green Day moves to America so they can make it big as a rock band and then spend all their time bitching about America.
OT: I liked Jim's poem because it employed more subtlety and FINALLY used irony correctly. I can see why most "Indie" devs make their games look like the stuff from their youth, because it's more familiar and way easier to program yourself or with a small team than what AAA games require. As for Yahtzee's poem, it hits home, because there are people blaming guns themselves for violence and those who blame popular media for inspiring it, but they're both wrong. it's the crazy idiots who are to blame, and that's what needs changing.
mmm tangfastic.
I think Yahtzee's was wasted on some though, while it is about guns it's not necessarily only about guns, parallels can be drawn to DRM and other rubbish in gaming and a lot of other subject areas.
With Jim's it reminds me of a part in Chasing Amy where a character says that while many people want to think they're being creative, unique and new in the bedroom, everything they come up with has been done by many many other people already usually hundreds of years before too. Well words to that effect.
I think Yahtzee's was wasted on some though, while it is about guns it's not necessarily only about guns, parallels can be drawn to DRM and other rubbish in gaming and a lot of other subject areas.
With Jim's it reminds me of a part in Chasing Amy where a character says that while many people want to think they're being creative, unique and new in the bedroom, everything they come up with has been done by many many other people already usually hundreds of years before too. Well words to that effect.