Never said it was right, but when you spam 4chan, the reaction that Sarkeesian got was expected due to the reputation of 4chan. And to be honest, its hardly "victim blaming" when the victim initiates the reaction. That's like felling sorry for the black guy who gets beaten at by the KKK after he moons them during one of their meetings. This is one of the instances where the phrase, "she asked for it" is honestly too true to ignore.Quadocky said:In a a non-sarcastic tone: A post on 4chan does not warrant abuse. Saying it was trolling is a complete cop-out because even IF it was, it doesn't mean it was correct or right of them anyway. (Mostly it just reeks of victim blaming.)
Me:You're focusing on the trolling and not the actual discourse. This is where you'll lose the argument, because many points have been made against the way that Sarkeesian judges pop culture without research or contextual thinking. You keep ignoring that for the sake of "omg but people said they'd rape her". You're giving the trolls a serious input into the debate, and that is why your logic is flawed.
Here you go with the red herrings and such. I'm sorry, but her barely researched "critiques" are pretty flawed. Anita Sarkeesian takes a backwards approach to finding sexism in forms of media. She starts off with the conclusion that whatever she's talking about is sexist and then uses cherrypicked points to try and prove it. My problem with that method is that she automatically labels the subject sexist rather than explore the possibility of it being a subject with some sexist aspect. She labels subjects as completely sexist and at points has admittedly judged things she hasn't completely looked at(like when she called a Kanye West music video sexist and openly said she didn't watch the whole video). I'm not rendering her judgments as anything more than half baked criticisms.This again? Her research is her own, the context is her feminist perspective. Does that make sense? I did not ignore it, I already basically said is she is correct in her currently published works. In my opinion saying she CRITIQUES pop culture without research or context is blatantly false. I will get to the 'trolls' in a bit here... but before that, I notice you seem to use the word judge instead of critique. You seem to put quite a bit of imagined authority in her hands. Unless you are quite literally thinking she is rendering judgments like Jesus during the Rapture "YOU LIVE!, YOU DIE!"
There's also a major issue of transparency of opinions in her online works, but I'll get into that later.
Thank you, this is the third time that you've pointed out that people are insanely callous on the internet. I'm out of gold stars. But seriously, the irony of how you claim that I'm giving her an "imagined authority" when she says her critiques is really too funny. Especially when coupled with the fact that you keep giving the words of trolls and people who aren't making intelligent discourse much more authority than they warrant.I don't know if I will blow your mind by saying this, but the people who said those things AND MUCH WORSE, were actually serious about what they were saying.
Just a thought, quit bringing up the troll opinion because its not helping your point. To be real here, I don't even know your stance on this, its not clear and you've yet to state why you're defending Anita Sarkeesian. You seem to be defending her from trolls, not intelligent points.
By trolls, not by people who have points. If you can't accept the fact that people have legitimate gripes with her, why are you even arguing?Because she was attacked because she is a woman?
That's fine, but you're not arguing my points against her very well. I'm also not calling her a scammer or underhanded. Haven't done so at all during this back and forth. I'm questioning her ability to critique something without ignoring context completely. Are you debating me? Or do you wish you were debating trolls? Because you don't seem to have a handle on what I'm talking about and keep wanting to drag the conversation to something it has nothing to do with at the moment.Because those who disagree with her can't seem to do it without accusing her of being a scammer or underhanded in some way?
And you have no proof of this at all. You're ignoring people who are making an attempt at civil discourse over and over. Now please stop this nonsense of skirting around what I'm talking about.Because those who disagree with her are indeed wrong in most cases given that they seem to revolve around personal attacks based on her integrity rather than developing a decent understanding of feminism and understand how it applies in context of her perspective and critique?
The point is: Its like watching a bunch of racists argue whether or not white people can be racist while hanging a black man for looking at a white woman.Quit concentrating on the screams of trolls and 4chan lurkers and join us here on the topic of the "Isms" of gaming. State your point.
Pardon the morbid comparison, but that is basically the depths of wrongness I keep encountering in relation to Anita when people are just so keen on discussion about her.[/quote] Yet you've still ignored all of my points and only established that the majority of people you seem to be paying attention to can't make a well mannered argument. You've also proved that neither can you.