Jimquisition: Fake Nerd Girls

[mechalynx]

No one is geek checking 15 year old girls....

*snip*

So, I assume you also want to geek-check every male con-goer, right? And exclude every male geek who isn't as knowledgeable on every aspect of geek culture as you insist every woman must be? Or has the possibility never crossed your mind that such people could exist?

I can't speak for Matthew, but no, I wouldn't geek check a guy OR a girl unless they came up and initiated the conversation with ME regarding the topic of gaming/sci-fi/comics/anything deemed nerdy by society.

Besides, I don't consider this geek checking, more like feeling out the level of knowledge and interest so that I can start a decent discussion without boring the other person to death; not to see the "geek street cred".

 

[Astro]

You keep missing my point. It doesn't matter what you think about a certain character, it's contemptible to be intentionally overly sexually provocative at a gaming convention - even if you really like Mad Moxxi. A person who does this isn't just indulging a hobby, they're purposefully assuming a role that's guaranteed to have men giving them a lot of sexual attention. If it were a pornographic convention it would be fine, but the people at gaming conventions are there because they like videogames, not because they want to be manipulated into being enamored by someone who isn't contributing anything of worth. I should also mention that a person who's in a scantily clad costume whose intention isn't to draw attention to themselves isn't necessarily contemptible, but they are a dunce and oblivious to their own blatantly inappropriate behavior.

I don't care how you feel about the rest of my position, and I'm not particularly interested in convincing you that women dressing in absurdly sexualized costumes at a focal point for an interest that is predominantly enjoyed by dorky males aren't doing it for attention.

Technically people can do a lot of things which other people don't like without any repercussions, but following that up with 'that must mean it's appropriate and it's ideal that they're allowed to do whatever they want within the confines of the law' is weepy bullshit. I don't care that you want to cosplay Mad Moxxi and you happen to have huge breasts, it's disruptive and inconsiderate if you choose to do so.

How is it contemptible? Merely because it is provocative? Did the woman in question ACTUALLY DO anything to warrant that description, or is it you enforcing your bias on her outfit?

How do you know she is not indulging in a hobby? She may be a fan of the cosplay character, and alternately she may be a hobby of going to conventions.

You are arguing from a position that you know her motives, her sexualization, her inappropriateness... did you actually go have a conversation with the woman? Was she actually a dunce with no clue about the character she was playing? Did she go out of her way to attract the attention of males only?

I suspect the answer is no, you didn't speak to the woman, because she would know about Moxie, she could tell you about Borderlands, and she just may shatter your well constructed delusions about her.

Oh, the horror, when I go to comic cons and sci-fi cons in the year 2012 there are attractive Batgirls and Supergirls, sexy women who fill out sexy Star Trek uniforms, Princess Leia's, and a dead-ringer for #6 in Battlestar, oh the HORROR the young people face in the circle of geeks these days!!

I went to a comic con in 1989 in Buffalo. There wasn't an interested female within 25 miles of that venue. There wasn't even a REAL nerd girl, let alone a throng of them, along with the "fake" ones.

An attractive girl spends a pay cheque on a costume, gets an all access pass to the event, spends an entire weekend dressed up to meet people while getting sneered, jeered, and leered at by a pack of ungrateful pricks. DOESN'T LEAVE because of those pricks, and she is still considered a "fake".

If I could trade Comic Con 1989 for 2012, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and so would a ton of older nerd and geeks. You (not the quoted person specifically, but this generation of teenage male nerds) have hot women with an interest in your interests at your conventions. At or nearing your sexual peak, and you are COMPLAINING???

I am starting to sounds like my dad on this one, but I do not understand this generation.

Literally every argument you made was addressed in the post you quoted.

 

[themind]

....did you just compare "geek" culture with high order mathematics?

By the way, most people at scientific conventions do not quiz each other on what they know. Normally, most of them are pretty secure of their place in the world and has no need to test the knowledge of their fellow attendees. They are adults in highly advanced scientific fields, not third graders.

Nor are most such conventions closed to other attendees. Indeed, education and interest may vary from person to person, from undergrads with an interest in the subject to professors with a huge publication backlog, and they all manage to converse with each other both about the scientific topic at hand and other topics withou giving each other any kind of test or quiz.

I am with Chemical Alia, so called "nerd"-culture is becoming more and more repellent each year, and the "gate"-keepers defending it seems trapped in, at best, a high school "us vs. them" mentality. I hope the whole thing dies a painful death soon.

This. Exactly. Stuff like this makes us look collectively like five year olds.

 

[Ishal]

I personally don't care if any girls want to be a part of the (whatever) culture we have, I love being around the opposite sex. But I would appreciate it if they are sincere. I don't think geek checking is something that should be done to people because you'll just come off as a rude twit. People don't like fake people anywhere, why would they be tolerated here anymore than any place else?

Of my own personal experience, I had a small group of friends that I played SWTOR with (yea i know..) and a few of them played warhammer/D&D and some played magic, so we'd all sometimes sit in the college lounge or the hallway between classes and shoot the shit about whatever nerdy thing we were doing. Some of us had friends outside that circle, some did not. Of the ones that did (myself included) had some pretty attractive female friends that would always mock us for talking about whatever nerdy thing was happening that day. Generally it didn't bother me or my other friend, but to some of them it did, and they even approached me about it personally saying they didn't want attention drawn to themselves to get made fun of and mocked. So I relented and shut up when they wanted me to. But a few times some of the girls (they happened to be the more attractive ones..so make of that what you will) actually said some really nasty things and even told us to take our (obviously beneath them) conversation somewhere else, this really rubbed me the wrong way so I put them in their place. This has been common in my experience with most females regarding gaming/nerd culture. Many dabble with CoD and Mario. Angry birds, mobile games, and classic arcade Nintendo stuff. But that is as far as they go. I've recently been in a server VOIP for my Guild Wars 2 realm for its open world PvP, and there are lots of different personalities there. It is predominantly guys, but there quite a few girls there too. But most of the girls don't seem like they are there to play serious PvP or PVE. Many are there being chatterboxes and trying to draw attention to themselves, the worst of which are drama firestarters that won't get muted or banned because some have sexy voices and in a channel full of 60 dudes and 2 or 3 girls, some guys are gonna want to hear that. If I bear any animosity toward women or fellow male gamers it is this, play the game for what it is and enjoy it. Don't use it as a tool or vehicle to achieve a different end like starting drama. Being a nerd/geek is very much steeped in enjoying something for the sake of itself and nothing else, it comes from deep immersion and giving yourself to a certain aspect of the culture and enjoying the hell out of it. It is much the same as sports in this way for sports nerds.

Not all women are drama seekers out to get attention, and I would be foolish to label them as such. Like anything else it is the few that spoil it for the many, and by reading this thread it seems there are many female gamers out there that would be an absolute JOY to play with. Anyone who wants to experience this wonderful aspect of technological culture I welcome you with open arms. Just please enjoy it for what it is, don't come here expecting to use it for some other means, especially if it is destructive.

PS. Most peoples ability/desire to delve so deeply into a culture might not be the same as your own, that said our gamer culture is still male dominated. That is why finding a woman like in this video should be considered a mythic/legendary accomplishment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxx6BupgRmI

Who are you, to decide what anyone can or cannot do with a game they have purchased? You have no authority, no credibility, nothing at all. If someone want to play Guild Wars mostly to socialize, they are more than welcome to. Just as people are allowed to roleplay in Guild Wars, or PVP, or PVE, withou people like you judging them or trying to drive them away because they do not fit into what you define as "the proper way". That is not for you to decide. So please, do not come here and claim it is.

And stop with the defining of what makes someone a geek or a nerd, or what it means to be a geek or nerd. That is not something you have any power to do, any of you, especially when you try to use it to force a demographic out of you little clubhouse.[/quote]

Who am I? Just a GW2 player, and as to my authority, I have as much authority as any other guild wars 2 player in the channels except for the admins of said channels. You seem to have missed the point of my post where I said people CAN do what they want and where I welcomed them to do just that. But in the TS3 community server there are PVE channels where people can PVE. There are roleplaying channels where they can roleplay, and there are PVP channels where "hardcores" and people who only come for the PVP go. So, if people come to talk about there day in that channel they might be asked to leave or do it another time in the public lounge channel, thats just how it is.

As to defining what nerd or geek is. I suggest you wake up and deal with the fact that both those words are very nebulous terms and that people will always try and define them with their own definitions and classifications, it may not be "right" but people won't stop doing it. I'm not forcing anyone out. I want as many people to come enjoy this stuff as possible.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

You keep missing my point. It doesn't matter what you think about a certain character, it's contemptible to be intentionally overly sexually provocative at a gaming convention - even if you really like Mad Moxxi. A person who does this isn't just indulging a hobby, they're purposefully assuming a role that's guaranteed to have men giving them a lot of sexual attention. If it were a pornographic convention it would be fine, but the people at gaming conventions are there because they like videogames, not because they want to be manipulated into being enamored by someone who isn't contributing anything of worth. I should also mention that a person who's in a scantily clad costume whose intention isn't to draw attention to themselves isn't necessarily contemptible, but they are a dunce and oblivious to their own blatantly inappropriate behavior.

I don't care how you feel about the rest of my position, and I'm not particularly interested in convincing you that women dressing in absurdly sexualized costumes at a focal point for an interest that is predominantly enjoyed by dorky males aren't doing it for attention.

Technically people can do a lot of things which other people don't like without any repercussions, but following that up with 'that must mean it's appropriate and it's ideal that they're allowed to do whatever they want within the confines of the law' is weepy bullshit. I don't care that you want to cosplay Mad Moxxi and you happen to have huge breasts, it's disruptive and inconsiderate if you choose to do so.

You cant tell someone why they are doing something. If they are doing it for the hobby and they say so they are right and you are wrong because its their opinion and their body. I refuse to look at someone and judge intent based on looks. Thats shallow and unfair. My advice is that if youre offended by people wanting to look nice thats fine go ahead and be offended. But dont expect people to try and constrict how they want to look based on your offence and if you even try and make them feel bad or guilty or manipulative just for looking how they want to look then thats a totally dickish thing to do and you should feel bad. Shaming people for their physical appearance is always the utmost of dick moves.

Get over being disrupted. That girl has every right to cosplay Moxxi and your offence doesnt make one lick of difference. Just dont try and be a twat to her about it and we are fine. Youre going to fail to convince me to assume such a motivation based on their cosplay yes so your interest is totally irrelevant. Judging a person without even talking to them is shallow and idiotic. I thought nerds HATED people judging them based on looks?

People shouldnt have to restrict their cosplay because men cant contain their sexual attention. They should just get over it. This is why i despise slut shaming. You dont know a single thing about a girl just because she wears "Slutty" clothing. Nothing. Nothing at all. And as such you dont have any way of judging them. Your judgment is less than worthless. I cant stand people being shallow and judgmental. Whats weepy bullshit is "WE CANT STAND YOUR BOOBIES SO DONT COSPLAY MOXXI" Thats stupid as hell and i refuse to sink to such a level. If you become "Enamored" just because someone has some boobs and you MIGHT be able to see a little bit of those boobs youre not mature enough for adult society let alone a convention. Im sorry but its true.

You also dont get to decide what contributions are "Worth" anything assuming that statement isnt as vapid as it looks. Contribute? Fucking contribute WHAT? As a fan you contribute your time and your enjoyment. What the hell else does everyone else "Contribute" ive not been made aware of. I paid the money to get in right? Did i need to donate 2 "Nerd dollars" to count as contributing?

Suffice to say i dont care if youre offended at all. You dont get to make other people feel bad about how they choose to look at a convention about their passion without being a total douchebag. Their WORDS and ACTIONS sure. Their APPEARANCE? Thats the shallowest thing ive ever heard.

 

[Astro]

You keep missing my point. It doesn't matter what you think about a certain character, it's contemptible to be intentionally overly sexually provocative at a gaming convention - even if you really like Mad Moxxi. A person who does this isn't just indulging a hobby, they're purposefully assuming a role that's guaranteed to have men giving them a lot of sexual attention. If it were a pornographic convention it would be fine, but the people at gaming conventions are there because they like videogames, not because they want to be manipulated into being enamored by someone who isn't contributing anything of worth. I should also mention that a person who's in a scantily clad costume whose intention isn't to draw attention to themselves isn't necessarily contemptible, but they are a dunce and oblivious to their own blatantly inappropriate behavior.

I don't care how you feel about the rest of my position, and I'm not particularly interested in convincing you that women dressing in absurdly sexualized costumes at a focal point for an interest that is predominantly enjoyed by dorky males aren't doing it for attention.

Technically people can do a lot of things which other people don't like without any repercussions, but following that up with 'that must mean it's appropriate and it's ideal that they're allowed to do whatever they want within the confines of the law' is weepy bullshit. I don't care that you want to cosplay Mad Moxxi and you happen to have huge breasts, it's disruptive and inconsiderate if you choose to do so.

You cant tell someone why they are doing something. If they are doing it for the hobby and they say so they are right and you are wrong because its their opinion and their body. I refuse to look at someone and judge intent based on looks. Thats shallow and unfair. My advice is that if youre offended by people wanting to look nice thats fine go ahead and be offended. But dont expect people to try and constrict how they want to look based on your offence and if you even try and make them feel bad or guilty or manipulative just for looking how they want to look then thats a totally dickish thing to do and you should feel bad. Shaming people for their physical appearance is always the utmost of dick moves.

Get over being disrupted. That girl has every right to cosplay Moxxi and your offence doesnt make one lick of difference. Just dont try and be a twat to her about it and we are fine. Youre going to fail to convince me to assume such a motivation based on their cosplay yes so your interest is totally irrelevant. Judging a person without even talking to them is shallow and idiotic. I thought nerds HATED people judging them based on looks?

People shouldnt have to restrict their cosplay because men cant contain their sexual attention. They should just get over it. This is why i despise slut shaming. You dont know a single thing about a girl just because she wears "Slutty" clothing. Nothing. Nothing at all. And as such you dont have any way of judging them. Your judgment is less than worthless. I cant stand people being shallow and judgmental. Whats weepy bullshit is "WE CANT STAND YOUR BOOBIES SO DONT COSPLAY MOXXI" Thats stupid as hell and i refuse to sink to such a level. If you become "Enamored" just because someone has some boobs and you MIGHT be able to see a little bit of those boobs youre not mature enough for adult society let alone a convention. Im sorry but its true.

You also dont get to decide what contributions are "Worth" anything assuming that statement isnt as vapid as it looks. Contribute? Fucking contribute WHAT? As a fan you contribute your time and your enjoyment. What the hell else does everyone else "Contribute" ive not been made aware of. I paid the money to get in right? Did i need to donate 2 "Nerd dollars" to count as contributing?

Suffice to say i dont care if youre offended at all. You dont get to make other people feel bad about how they choose to look at a convention about their passion without being a total douchebag. Their WORDS and ACTIONS sure. Their APPEARANCE? Thats the shallowest thing ive ever heard.

Your unwillingness to judge people by their appearance doesn't make it any less a part of social protocol that if you present yourself a certain way, you're going to be received accordingly. I accept that it's inappropriate to walk around not wearing clothes, so I don't do it because not wear clothes doesn't suddenly make it more appropriate.

Why do you keep referring to 'rights'? You have the right to do a lot of things which wouldn't necessarily be viewed as moral or considerate.

Agreed, men should just not be attracted to women, they should just get over it. Also you should leave your children with pedophiles because they should just get over their attraction to children otherwise I can't be an idealistic and naive if they don't.

I've already stated, contributing nothing but fandom is fine, you aren't taking or giving anything aside from the purchases you make and the addition of another member of the community. However, when you're using videogame culture to selfishly leech sexual attention you are taking something, but you aren't giving anything back (sexuality doesn't count because it has nothing to do with videogames [unless you have a good as fuck or interesting costume]). What if I posted nothing but boring self-indulgent content, do you think that's equally as valid posting nothing?

 

[theultimateend]

But you aren't talking with someone, you are talking "AT" someone. I mean if all you want to do is hear your own voice, you could just sit at home & talk to a brick wall... it'll comprehend almost as much of what you are saying.

My house doesn't have any brick.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Your unwillingness to judge people by their appearance doesn't make it any less a part of social protocol that if you present yourself a certain way, you're going to be received accordingly. I accept that it's inappropriate to walk around not wearing clothes, so I don't do it because not wear clothes doesn't suddenly make it more appropriate.

Agreed, men should just not be attracted to women, they should just get over it. Also you should leave your children with pedophiles because they should just get over their attraction to children otherwise I can't be an idealistic and naive if they don't.

I've already stated, contributing nothing but fandom is fine, you aren't taking or giving anything aside from the purchases you make and the addition of another member of the community. However, when you're using videogame culture to selfishly leech sexual attention you are taking something, but you aren't giving anything back (sexuality doesn't count because it has nothing to do with videogames [unless you have a good as fuck or interesting costume]).

Of course theres the miniumum requirement for clothing depending on the context. But this is a fun event thats meant to be for everyones passion to go crazy for their fandom and be silly as hell not a formal dinner party! For fun silliness. This is what being a nerd is all about! Doing whatever you want to show your love for something free of judgement. In this context crazy and unusual outfits are TOTALLY acceptable. Its a fancy dress party!

In the real world some people are sexy. If you cant handle that youre not ready for the real world. I didnt say they shouldnt be attracted. But "Enamored?":

en·am·or/iˈnamər/
Verb:
Be filled with a feeling of love for: "it is not difficult to see why Edward is enamored of her".

I mean seriously thats a little weird. Youre not being manipulated because someone is attractive. By that logic shampoo is manipulative because good hygiene is attractive. You have to get over being attracted to people (Not STOP but accept it just happens and it isnt a crime). Its hardly the end of the world. Just ignore it and accept it as part of life. Your examples are crude and unrelated. Are you comparing YOURSELF to a pedophile? Really? Pedophiles cant get over their love of children so they molest them and in the same way you cant get over your love of attractive women you havnt talked to so you... demean them? I dont really get the parallel. You have to get over living in a world where people are sexy. And a world where those sexy people dont wear the clothes that hide said sexiness.

Being attractive isnt taking anything. Theres nothing to take. There isnt take or give of any kind at all. Its liking. A thing. Its simple as. It isnt a trade. Its a like of something. No one needs to give anything because its impossible to "take". Its just... BEING as you want to be. Its hardly draining a finite resource.

FYI i think modern standards on nudity are stupid. And yeah i think everyone has a right to decide how they want to look. And sure SOME things you have a right to do are immoral. Except no outfit or appearance (even naked) strikes me as even slightly "Immoral". What are you a priest from 1850?

Its ok for you to not like it. Im trying to argue against that but at the end of the day it doesnt hurt to not like it. Im ok with people not agreeing that how i look is good. Im not ok with people trying to demean me about it or judge my character because of it. Theres a separation of appearance and character.

 

[Astro]

Your unwillingness to judge people by their appearance doesn't make it any less a part of social protocol that if you present yourself a certain way, you're going to be received accordingly. I accept that it's inappropriate to walk around not wearing clothes, so I don't do it because not wear clothes doesn't suddenly make it more appropriate.

Agreed, men should just not be attracted to women, they should just get over it. Also you should leave your children with pedophiles because they should just get over their attraction to children otherwise I can't be an idealistic and naive if they don't.

I've already stated, contributing nothing but fandom is fine, you aren't taking or giving anything aside from the purchases you make and the addition of another member of the community. However, when you're using videogame culture to selfishly leech sexual attention you are taking something, but you aren't giving anything back (sexuality doesn't count because it has nothing to do with videogames [unless you have a good as fuck or interesting costume]).

Of course theres the miniumum requirement for clothing depending on the context. But this is a fun event thats meant to be for everyones passion to go crazy for their fandom and be silly as hell not a formal dinner party! For fun silliness. This is what being a nerd is all about! Doing whatever you want to show your love for something free of judgement. In this context crazy and unusual outfits are TOTALLY acceptable. Its a fancy dress party!

In the real world some people are sexy. If you cant handle that youre not ready for the real world. I didnt say they shouldnt be attracted. But "Enamored?":

en·am·or/iˈnamər/
Verb:
Be filled with a feeling of love for: "it is not difficult to see why Edward is enamored of her".

I mean seriously thats a little weird. Youre not being manipulated because someone is attractive. By that logic shampoo is manipulative because good hygiene is attractive. You have to get over being attracted to people (Not STOP but accept it just happens and it isnt a crime). Its hardly the end of the world. Just ignore it and accept it as part of life. Your examples are crude and unrelated. Are you comparing YOURSELF to a pedophile? Really? Pedophiles cant get over their love of children so they molest them and in the same way you cant get over your love of attractive women you havnt talked to so you... demean them? I dont really get the parallel. You have to get over living in a world where people are sexy. And a world where those sexy people dont wear the clothes that hide said sexiness.

Being attractive isnt taking anything. Theres nothing to take. There isnt take or give of any kind at all. Its liking. A thing. Its simple as. It isnt a trade. Its a like of something. No one needs to give anything because its impossible to "take". Its just... BEING as you want to be. Its hardly draining a finite resource.

Yes, the context of gaming conventions is one of fun and light-hearted amusement, not intentional sexual displays of breasts and buttocks.

There's a difference between someone who's attractive and someone who's intentionally showing off how attractive they are in a male dominated space like gaming for the expressed purpose of reaping sexually-charged attention. You're intentionally ignoring context, a handicapped person blocking you from walking down a hallway by being too slow isn't contemptible, but a shithead who's perfectly healthy doing the same thing is.

No, I'm not comparing myself to a pedophile, I haven't stated that I'm personally attracted to manipulative women. I'm implying that ignoring the fact that sexual attraction happens and it's acted upon is foolish and naive.

Hypothetically, if a naked woman was in the middle of a room dedicated to looking at pictures chocolate or whatever, the naked woman would be taking attention and mental energy away from what the purpose of the place is. This naked woman would be a nuisance and a leech, especially if she's intentionally doing this to benefit from the attention.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Yes, the context of gaming conventions is one of fun and light-hearted amusement, not intentional sexual displays of breasts and buttocks.

There's a difference between someone who's attractive and someone who's intentionally showing off how attractive they are in a male dominated space like gaming for the expressed purpose of reaping sexually-charged attention.

No, I'm not comparing myself to a pedophile, I haven't stated that I'm personally attracted to manipulative women. I'm implying that ignoring the fact that sexual attraction happens and it's acted upon is foolish and naive.

Most of our laws surrounding rape depend on the idea that men can and will totally control how they act on their sexual attraction. its not difficult to control. I see no issue with breasts and buttocks in a costume as long as its canonical and in the spirit of video games. Why not? Express your love of that game freely and without restraint i say.

Youre comparing men in general to people who physically cannot stop themselves doing immoral things due to sexual attraction. Thats hardly a strong argument. You can ignore sexual attraction. Its not hard. Im not saying ignore it. Im saying accept it as part of life and dont make a big deal out of it. Im attracted to people sometimes. Its just a thing you feel in your head and go "That person looks attractive" and get over it by going about your day. If you fawn over a person or give them unnecessary attention thats the DUDES failure rather than the person they become infatuated over based entirely on appearance.

 

[Astro]

Yes, the context of gaming conventions is one of fun and light-hearted amusement, not intentional sexual displays of breasts and buttocks.

There's a difference between someone who's attractive and someone who's intentionally showing off how attractive they are in a male dominated space like gaming for the expressed purpose of reaping sexually-charged attention.

No, I'm not comparing myself to a pedophile, I haven't stated that I'm personally attracted to manipulative women. I'm implying that ignoring the fact that sexual attraction happens and it's acted upon is foolish and naive.

Most of our laws surrounding rape depend on the idea that men can and will totally control how they act on their sexual attraction. its not difficult to control. I see no issue with breasts and buttocks in a costume as long as its canonical and in the spirit of video games. Why not? Express your love of that game freely and without restraint i say.

Youre comparing men in general to people who physically cannot stop themselves doing immoral things due to sexual attraction. Thats hardly a strong argument. You can ignore sexual attraction. Its not hard. Im not saying ignore it. Im saying accept it as part of life and dont make a big deal out of it. Im attracted to people sometimes. Its just a thing you feel in your head and go "That person looks attractive" and get over it by going about your day. If you fawn over a person or give them unnecessary attention thats the DUDES failure rather than the person they become infatuated over based entirely on appearance.

Laws are based on functional moral guidelines, that doesn't make them fair or useful in every context.

I have an issue with breasts and buttocks presented in such a way that's intentionally siphoning attention and mental energy from an activity for the gain of one selfish individual.

What? Why do you think that pedophiles "physically cannot stop themselves" from having sex with children? It's known and documented that many pedophiles choose not to have sex with children.

Okay, a hypothetical fawning male has agency for what he's doing, and a hypothetical attention-seeking female has agency for how she's presenting herself. On one hand you have a demographic of typically (or rather they're seen as) needy and sexually starved men, and on the other you have a singular woman who's exploiting that, coincidentally or not. Hmm, I wonder which would be more likely to change.

 

[Padwolf]

The thing that gets me is why do many people think that it's only girls who do this? No one likes a poser, be it male or female. I'm a girl and yes I have had to justify my gaming choices on more than one occasion and it's bloody ridiculous that I have had to. At the same time I shouldn't be forced to cover up my gender just to appease stupidity, I tend to pick feminine names and female characters, that doesn't make me a poser, it just means I want to play a female character. I'm not going to throw the fact that I'm a girl out there for all at all times, the only times I'd mention I'm a girl is if someone asks or if someone just thinks I'm a guy then I will correct them. I'm not going to deny it, I find fake gaming people annoying on the very rare occasion I come across them,but I just ignore them and get on, it really is not hard to do.

Should these fake people be given such a hard time? Not really, unless they become emotionally manipulative. There are plenty of girls out there and fake nerd girls and guys are a bit of a rarity. The way some people spout about it you'd think they were an everyday occurrence and that all females must be the same way.

 

[CaptainChip]

God golly gosh, the more I look at this thread, the more I hate both sides.

EDIT: Also, Astro, what do sexy cosplays have ANYTHING to do with fake geek girls? It's like you're going completely off topic with your arguments.

 

[Astro]

God golly gosh, the more I look at this thread, the more I hate both sides.

EDIT: Also, Astro, what do sexy cosplays have ANYTHING to do with fake geek girls? It's like you're going completely off topic with your arguments.

A 'fake nerd girl' is presumably not feigning interest gaming for no reason. Girls with a primary interest in cosplay and a secondary interest in gaming are fairly common, and it touches on the larger issue.

 

[CaptainChip]

God golly gosh, the more I look at this thread, the more I hate both sides.

EDIT: Also, Astro, what do sexy cosplays have ANYTHING to do with fake geek girls? It's like you're going completely off topic with your arguments.

A 'fake nerd girl' is presumably not feigning interest gaming for no reason.

... And? Just because a cosplayer chose a sexy costume does not mean s/he's not a fan of the show. That's what this whole thing is about. Being a geek, being a fan.

Here's the thing, fake geeks usually pretend to like something for attention, right? But that doesn't mean everyone who likes attention is a fake geek.

And even if they picked a sexy costume, does that mean they're doing it for attention? No! Has it NEVER occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, they really like the character? Because that's what most cosplayers do, cosplay characters they like. Even if the outfit is revealing.

So my final stance on your argument is that it's completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

 

[Astro]

God golly gosh, the more I look at this thread, the more I hate both sides.

EDIT: Also, Astro, what do sexy cosplays have ANYTHING to do with fake geek girls? It's like you're going completely off topic with your arguments.

A 'fake nerd girl' is presumably not feigning interest gaming for no reason.

... And? Just because a cosplayer chose a sexy costume does not mean s/he's not a fan of the show. That's what this whole thing is about. Being a geek, being a fan.

Here's the thing, fake geeks usually pretend to like something for attention, right? But that doesn't mean everyone who likes attention is a fake geek.

And even if they picked a sexy costume, does that mean they're doing it for attention? No! Has it NEVER occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, they really like the character? Because that's what most cosplayers do, cosplay characters they like. Even if the outfit is revealing.

So my final stance on your argument is that it's completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

If that's your reasoning then you haven't read most of my argument.

 

[CaptainChip]

God golly gosh, the more I look at this thread, the more I hate both sides.

EDIT: Also, Astro, what do sexy cosplays have ANYTHING to do with fake geek girls? It's like you're going completely off topic with your arguments.

A 'fake nerd girl' is presumably not feigning interest gaming for no reason.

... And? Just because a cosplayer chose a sexy costume does not mean s/he's not a fan of the show. That's what this whole thing is about. Being a geek, being a fan.

Here's the thing, fake geeks usually pretend to like something for attention, right? But that doesn't mean everyone who likes attention is a fake geek.

And even if they picked a sexy costume, does that mean they're doing it for attention? No! Has it NEVER occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, they really like the character? Because that's what most cosplayers do, cosplay characters they like. Even if the outfit is revealing.

So my final stance on your argument is that it's completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

If that's your reasoning then you haven't read most of my argument.

Most of your argument is "they cosplay as sexy characters because like wearing sexy costumes" and "they could be wearing different costumes" and "they're doing it for attention". Basically, your whole argument from what I've read is based on a ton of assumptions. And it's very, very weak.

And still off-topic.

 

[Astro]

God golly gosh, the more I look at this thread, the more I hate both sides.

EDIT: Also, Astro, what do sexy cosplays have ANYTHING to do with fake geek girls? It's like you're going completely off topic with your arguments.

A 'fake nerd girl' is presumably not feigning interest gaming for no reason.

... And? Just because a cosplayer chose a sexy costume does not mean s/he's not a fan of the show. That's what this whole thing is about. Being a geek, being a fan.

Here's the thing, fake geeks usually pretend to like something for attention, right? But that doesn't mean everyone who likes attention is a fake geek.

And even if they picked a sexy costume, does that mean they're doing it for attention? No! Has it NEVER occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, they really like the character? Because that's what most cosplayers do, cosplay characters they like. Even if the outfit is revealing.

So my final stance on your argument is that it's completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

If that's your reasoning then you haven't read most of my argument.

Most of your argument is "they cosplay as sexy characters because like wearing sexy costumes" and "they could be wearing different costumes" and "they're doing it for attention". Basically, your whole argument from what I've read is based on a ton of assumptions. And it's very, very weak.

And still off-topic.

What you've read meaning only part of my argument because I've already addressed what you brought up.

Care to explain the flaws in my argument instead of just alluding to their existence? And how is discussing a subset of girls feigning an interest in gaming in order to reap attention irrelevant to the topic?

 

[CaptainChip]

God golly gosh, the more I look at this thread, the more I hate both sides.

EDIT: Also, Astro, what do sexy cosplays have ANYTHING to do with fake geek girls? It's like you're going completely off topic with your arguments.

A 'fake nerd girl' is presumably not feigning interest gaming for no reason.

... And? Just because a cosplayer chose a sexy costume does not mean s/he's not a fan of the show. That's what this whole thing is about. Being a geek, being a fan.

Here's the thing, fake geeks usually pretend to like something for attention, right? But that doesn't mean everyone who likes attention is a fake geek.

And even if they picked a sexy costume, does that mean they're doing it for attention? No! Has it NEVER occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, they really like the character? Because that's what most cosplayers do, cosplay characters they like. Even if the outfit is revealing.

So my final stance on your argument is that it's completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

If that's your reasoning then you haven't read most of my argument.

Most of your argument is "they cosplay as sexy characters because like wearing sexy costumes" and "they could be wearing different costumes" and "they're doing it for attention". Basically, your whole argument from what I've read is based on a ton of assumptions. And it's very, very weak.

And still off-topic.

From what you've read meaning only part of my argument because I've addressed what you brought up?

How is discussing a subset of girls feigning an interest in gaming in order to reap attention irrelevant to the topic?

Oh, also, "Because they are dressing up as sexy characters in a convention usually filled with men, it's because they want attention!" Still weak.

And still irrelevant because sexy cosplayers =/= fake geek girls. This is what I'm hammering on. You can still have a sexy Samus costume, genuinely enjoy nintendo games and metroid games in particular, and be a real geek. You can have a not sexy Samus costume, chose it only because she's popular, and be a fake geek.

The sexiness of a cosplay is entirely irrelevant to whether or not a person genuinely enjoys gaming

 

[Astro]

God golly gosh, the more I look at this thread, the more I hate both sides.

EDIT: Also, Astro, what do sexy cosplays have ANYTHING to do with fake geek girls? It's like you're going completely off topic with your arguments.

A 'fake nerd girl' is presumably not feigning interest gaming for no reason.

... And? Just because a cosplayer chose a sexy costume does not mean s/he's not a fan of the show. That's what this whole thing is about. Being a geek, being a fan.

Here's the thing, fake geeks usually pretend to like something for attention, right? But that doesn't mean everyone who likes attention is a fake geek.

And even if they picked a sexy costume, does that mean they're doing it for attention? No! Has it NEVER occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, they really like the character? Because that's what most cosplayers do, cosplay characters they like. Even if the outfit is revealing.

So my final stance on your argument is that it's completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

If that's your reasoning then you haven't read most of my argument.

Most of your argument is "they cosplay as sexy characters because like wearing sexy costumes" and "they could be wearing different costumes" and "they're doing it for attention". Basically, your whole argument from what I've read is based on a ton of assumptions. And it's very, very weak.

And still off-topic.

From what you've read meaning only part of my argument because I've addressed what you brought up?

How is discussing a subset of girls feigning an interest in gaming in order to reap attention irrelevant to the topic?

Oh, also, "Because they are dressing up as sexy characters in a convention usually filled with men, it's because they want attention!" Still weak.

And still irrelevant because sexy cosplayers =/= fake geek girls. This is what I'm hammering on. You can still have a sexy Samus costume, genuinely enjoy nintendo games and metroid games in particular, and be a real geek. You can have a not sexy mario costume, chose it only because he's popular, and be a fake geek.

The sexiness of a cosplay is entirely irrelevant to whether or not a person genuinely enjoys gaming

Why would anyone cosplay if not for attention? The entire issue with scantily clad cosplay is that it's the wrong kind of attention, but there can be no question of intent.

I'm not disputing that, it just doesn't make what I'm saying off-topic. Maybe what you're saying would be valid if it were never the case that someone is dressing up in a revealing gaming-related costume and if that weren't doing so they would still be at a gaming convention, but it's self-evident that this is not the case. The fact that there are exceptions, however large, to the full intentions of someone dressing up in a revealing costume doesn't make dressing up in a revealing costume irrelevant to trying to get attention.

It isn't irrelevant to whether someone genuinely enjoys gaming at all, it denotes motivation. You can assume that someone likes gaming if they're dressing up like Mad Moxxi, but they might not really give a shit because revealing cosplay fulfills a desire in itself and it's peripheral to gaming. You can assume someone likes gaming if they're playing a lot of videogames, looking at and talking about gaming-related shit, because they're expressing a direct interest in gaming.