Jimquisition: Hate Out Of Ten

[Alar]

ya no sorry, i watched the first episode and didnt like it. thought maybe i'd give jim another try, but NOPE i still cant watch this guy's videos. i just dont like him

Why not? What's the reason you don't like it? Do you not agree with the message? Were you not able to get over his character's attitude? Do you not like the crude drawings?

Constructive criticism is a lovely thing, so please do give it. ^_^

I have to fully agree with Jim on this episode. People are bitching at 8 out of 10? I can understand wanting a game from a series or developer you love to get a perfect score to meet your expectations, but guess what? That almost never happens, and when it does, take it with a grain of salt, because the reviewer might've been bought off or biased in some cases.

 

[revjay]

I actually look for lower reviews on games I'm not sure on and read the review to see why it didn't stack up. As for "low" scores on something I'm already buying/already bought, I still read the review to see what the writers perspective is on the game. I guess I'm just not irrational enough to be a troll :/

As always though, thanking gourds for Jim.

PS. Giving this video a 7.99545438743376 so suck it!

 

[Eremiel]

Summarises this perfectly.

 

[Ubermetalhed]

Somehow Jim you have grown on me and your videos have become alot more interesting and enjoyable. I really liked this one.

I see 8/10s as good games but not spectacular or truly brilliant which obviously would be for the 9s or 10s. But I would not dismiss an 8/10 outright, it is still a very good score for what is most likely a very good game. Uncharted 3 for example is in all fairness an 8/10 and I applaud the reviewer for being objective with the game unlike IGN who fuel these fanboy commenters with 10/10 scores. If you hand out 10/10s, like Jim says, it really does undervalue the others and IGN is the biggest culprit.

I think people also expect 9+ scores from certain games due to the developers hype or their own wants to have their favourite game series and so their own egos validated by reviewers.

People don't want to think the game they've pre-ordered, been twining on about to everyone for months and months or bought to be nothing less than perfect. If it isn't for some reason it's like a really strange attack on their pride. To a certain extent it can be likened to a reviewer stating the worth of a game so for example saying the game is worth £35 (8/10) when the person/reader/fan paying has already shelled out £40+(9/10 or 10/10). It's not much of a difference to me or you but to those who have invested in it it's like someone is telling them they've been ripped off. Hence this defensiveness and unnecessary criticism of reviews, it is at its heart a mixture of fanboyism and foolish pride that creates these hate/ten-ers.

Well... that's how I see it anyhow.

 

[Alar]

I don't particularly make a habit of watching this guy's videos or trying to give him too much attention, but the headline for this one got to me...

Let me guess, he's bitching about people "reacting negatively" to his awesome reviews, when he is widely known as the ultimate review troll, systematically giving either the highest or the lowest score on the Metacritic scale to try and force "controversy" and get more hits for his page, the latest attempt for this for instance being Battlefield 3 e.g.:

-snip-

It's only more saddening to see how many people are falling for this based on the Comments...

Not even a little bit? Yes, he uses his own reviews of certain games as an example, but that's not the point at all he's trying to get across. The point he's trying to make is that an '8 out of 10' score is not HORRIBLE. It's actually a pretty damn GOOD score to give a game, and it's ridiculous that so many gamers and fans get completely bent out of shape and call for removals of those reviews, just because THEIR FAVORITE NEW GAME didn't get a perfect score.

Don't try to guess what a video is about. Actually watch it.

 

[Accountfailed]

Best... Ending... Ever... 8/10.

 

[The Great JT]

don't worry Jim. The anti-existance bombs are being attached to these idiots now.

 

[Spud of Doom]

This is something I do see brought up from time to time on the internet, and I think it's more valid than ever. I really get annoyed by people who see it on the "school grading" system and not as an actual scale out of 10, or 5 or whatever.

 

[Michael Hirst]

Summarises this perfectly.

That is a very fitting image especially how 8 is considered the average these days while I remember a game getting an 8 back on the Mega Drive meant that it was "Really good" or "Great" and that came across in the games.

I know a lot of people say you can't really get a 1/10 game but there's alwasy Dr Jekyl (however you spell it) and Mr Hyde for NES. That's an utter failure in every conceivable way on how to make a videogame.

I remember being young (10 years old) and being taken in by 10/10 scores on games like Metal Gear Solid and being proud that MGS2 (13 I think) also got the same score but when MGS3 (15/16) came out the score dipped to like 9/10 I wasn't mad but thought that the game might not be as good, this theory was shot down though by the fact that MGS3 was one of the best games I've ever played and no scoring system will change my mind on it

 

[ProjectTrinity]

Who fucking cares? Seriously, this has gotten ridiculous. Between the bitching about scores and those bitching at those who score *****, video game score reviews get entirely too much attention and press. People like Jim Sterling make it a big deal, causing developers and publishers to actually notice such things.

And now we've come full circle on the irony circuit. ^_^

Seriously, what do you call what you just did? lol Anyways, I say let the complainers complain about the initial complainers. The whole thing isn't hurting anyone. No.

What's hurting everyone is that Jim was too busy rage-quitting to mention to thank God for Jim! D<

 

[Eremiel]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FourPointScale also discusses this very thing.

 

[ProjectTrinity]

=Snip=

...I love you for all the reasons you wouldn't want a forum goer to love you right now.

 

[Kingsnake661]

This problem is almost entirely the fault of the reviewers, they are the ones who have inflated review-scores to the point where no one can tell what they mean anymore.

I mean shit, this very site, the Escapist, gave Dragon Age II, a game that is patently worse than the original in every way, a score of 100%. That shit simply isn't fucking acceptable.

There needs to be an industry wide overhaul of the score system, and it needs to happen sooner, not later.

Ok, I admit it... I'm starting to become a fan of this show... It took losing EC and having that time gap to fill during my lunch, but it's growing on me..

You know they are still making episodes right?

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/show/extra-credits

Every Wednesday.

I do, as a matter of fact. But I watch the escapeist stuff here at work on brakes and on lunch when i got not else going on, which is open on our computer, but Penny is blocked. My company's web filter is really REALLY wonky, letting some stuff slide that baffles me, and blocking stuff, that, also baffles me. *shrug* I make do, but thanks for the heads up.

 

[DracoSuave]

I do, as a matter of fact. But I watch the escapeist stuff here at work on brakes and on lunch when i got not else going on, which is open on our computer, but Penny is blocked. My company's web filter is really REALLY wonky, letting some stuff slide that baffles me, and blocking stuff, that, also baffles me. *shrug* I make do, but thanks for the heads up.

Corporate blockers have a very simple logic: Do a lot of people visit it during the workday?

If yes, it gets noticed, and blocked if not essential to company duties.

If no, it does not get noticed, and does not get blocked.

Escapist isn't as mainstream as Penny-Arcade, ergo...

However, it IS getting there, so eventually, it'll get noticed.

 

[pilf]

The rage at the end perfectly sums up how stupid and jaded people have become when viewing review scores. Opinons mean nothing anymore unless they match those of a target audience.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

I've always favored endorsement reviews over ones based on a numeric system.

Can't say much about the gaming community at large though. We barely get the bar off the ground before we trip over it again.

 

[Amaror]

The gamemagazine on which reviews i trust gives a much clearer point than most magazines.
Teh game can get 10 points for graphics, ten for athmosphere and there are a lot more points.
It all summarizes to x/100 points and its actual very good.
The best Score they ever gave was an 94/100 for Warcraft 3 - The Frozen Throne.

 

[Moffman]

Great episode Jim! You're easily one of the best things about the espacist and why I keep coming back!

 

[Volothos]

For a laugh, go watch the pilot episode of Jimquisition, and compare to this one. Master Sterling has hit his stride!

I can't even bring myself to watch the first couple again...
But the recent ones, particularly since "The Beautiful Irony of PC Gaming", I'm happy to have them on repeat.

What about the other ones on youtube? :< Those are good too!

I still cant believe that people are actually complaining over an 8. An 8!

 

[DrOswald]

I think that we need a review system with as few categories as possible to help prevent score creep. I purpose 5 categories:

Bad - all games not worth playing. We don't need 6 numbers to represent "don't buy this game."

Ok - Games that might be worth playing if you like the genre

Good - games generally worth playing but nothing special

Great - Games that are among the best few titles released every year. generally must play titles.

Virtually Perfect - Among the best few games ever made. Some years, maybe even most, would not have a game in this category.