Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

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Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

This week, Jim has something he'd like to get off his chest.

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not sure what sparked the need for a "willem dafoe" avatar in the last few videos, but its been amusing XD

as for the softcore porn devs that are team ninja, well, they're idiots. really all there is to it anymore
 

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I'm surprised Team Ninja didn't put the sentient silicone in Samus during the other M.
 

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Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
 

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Lunar Templar said:
not sure what sparked the need for a "willem dafoe" avatar in the last few videos, but its been amusing XD

as for the softcore porn devs that are team ninja, well, they're idiots. really all there is to it anymore
I recall someone sending it to him and he fell in love with it.
 

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Oh boy, let's just get our shields up for this.

I don't know, I think there's a reason that sex dolls exist. Anyway, complaining about this is pointless. A developer has their own style you might not agree with so let them be. You could also tell them there are jobs that do involve what team ninja's doing.

I don't know, I think I just don't care, what with all the 'feminism' confusion I have been reading around here.

CAPTCHA: baked in a pie.

You know captcha, that's just creepy.
 

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contla said:
I'm surprised Team Ninja didn't put the sentient silicone in Samus during the other M.
Interesting point... Perhaps they knew how flawed Other M was & chose not to push their luck
(Although that would require a degree of awareness that I do not believe Team Ninja possesses)
 

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contla said:
Lunar Templar said:
not sure what sparked the need for a "willem dafoe" avatar in the last few videos, but its been amusing XD

as for the softcore porn devs that are team ninja, well, they're idiots. really all there is to it anymore
I recall someone sending it to him and he fell in love with it.
well he can keep on using it, been mostly good stuff (._.)b
 

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Anyone else surprised? Team Ninja has been circling the drain ever since Itagaki left.
 

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Not shirtless at the end Jim?... Gutless.

Edit: Not literally gutless obviously....
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much
Yet, I've seen stuff that makes me think otherwise. But this is the internet we're talking about. We're going to be scarred in whatever way.
 

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I want to buy DoA 5 because I like the fighting style. But I know that the first reaction anyone who seems me playing it will be, "you bought this for the boobs, didn't you?".

Team Ninja, please stop doing this so I can buy your games again.
 

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Definitely one of his better episodes, but runs the risk of opening up a HUUUUUGE can of worms in terms of culture clash. Too often, criticisms of systemic problems in a culture are shouted down as prejudiced, bigoted, or downright racist. Gang/thug mentality in black neighborhoods, anyone? And let's not even get started on Islam...
 

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Those breasts made me feel queasy. Also the sexualisation in HSOTD totally ruins the atmosphere.
 

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I have only found jiggle physics interesting once. I first heard of the notion when playing Aggressive Inline (such an odd relic from my past). I picked a female character and played for about 5 minutes, laughing with my friends the entire time... then, the fun was over.

Also, having never played DOA or been exposed to their cut scenes for more than short promos, I'm actually shocked at how comical and unrealistic the breasts are. Creepy stuff.
 

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first it was a huge purple dildo bat and then Bad dragon dildos and now we have fleshlights

Is Jim sterling trying to tell us something?? That he masturbates is a fleshlight and uses huge bad dragon dildos??

EDIT: is DOA 5 any good? Has it finally become a true fighting game?
 

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I don't see why it matters so much to everyone I mean ya they look off but who cares it doesn't effect the gameplay and even the aesthetic is only effected in a small singular way. I was never into their games but even if I was it really seems like this is less of a issue than people are making it out to be.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
What... the fuck... did I just witness?!

Almost every frame I was thinking 'OK, it's peaked now. This couldn't possibly get any more preposterous.'

and then a pair of tits managed to jiggle their way out of getting hit with a .50cal, I just... I don't even...
 

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I have a fetish for kids with gigantic fucking tits. It gives me erections. The erections cum. A lot. Thank you.

Agayek said:
Now the real question is, why does Jim have a fleshlight?
+1
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
What... the fuck... did I just witness?!

Almost every frame I was thinking 'OK, it's peaked now. This couldn't possibly get any more preposterous.'

and then a pair of tits managed to jiggle their way out of getting hit with a .50cal, I just... I don't even...
This character is in massive danger....BUT CHECK OUT HER MASSIVE TITS!!!!!
 

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Oh my, I lol'd.
All I can think when I see DOA is `Boobs don't work like that`.
Those boobs are seriously weird.
They just... don't... work... like that.

It's kind of a shame, I used to love the beat-em-up genre, but recently it's been so plastic'd up to the max, I've just sort of gone off it. Too many other beat em ups are trying to be DOA.
 

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So, the message is that Team Ninja need to spend more time on breast physics until they get them right.

Maybe a boxset of Russ Meyer films will set them in the right direction?

(Actually, maybe it will. Dirty minded boob fetishist he may have been, but Meyer's films most frequently placed women in positions of personal and sexual power over men).
 

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MatParker116 said:
teh_Canape said:
DVS BSTrD said:
<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
the location of that "Play" logo is really fucking convenient if you ask me
There is a bathroom scene in that anime that I cannot post because it is softcore hentai.
would be surprised if it WASN'T softcore hentai
and I don't even watch the show XD
 

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FYI, I fully admit that today's episode is ridiculous and pointless. It was, however, incredible fun to record and edit. Hopefully it's fun for you to watch. <3
 

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The way I see it, DOA has always been a very "sexual" franchise. Big boobs are part of the charm of the DOA universe, that whole unnatural thing is part of the design. It's like criticism Simon Bisley or Heavy Metal (the comic books) for being extremely erotic, you see, that's their main characteristic. A "well behaved" DOA would still be DOA? No it wouldn't, it would be the bastard "censored version" at best, or simply not looked upon as a real DOA. I agree that the female figure is overly presented in a sexualized form in the game media (and others even), but than you discuss the media as a whole, you can't pinprick one single series that has that erotic "manga/hentai" style as part of its design. I can understand Gears of War being criticized if it had a naked Anya with big boobs and small armor running around, it wouldn't make sense with the whole design, well Anya turned out to have full body armor like everybody else, that was really cool. The erotism in God of War, while being natural as far as showing naked beautiful women (which is a figure often related to the Greek period, the whole sexual deal), was sorta ridiculous when it came down to the virtual sex thing. But come on, DOA has that characteristic in its core. Every art, every media, has its genres and sub genres: you don't compare X-Men to Heavy Metal, and shouldn't compare DOA to UFC.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
FYI, I fully admit that today's episode is ridiculous and pointless. It was, however, incredible fun to record and edit. Hopefully it's fun for you to watch. <3
You managed to keep me amused while I downloaded the Fifa 13 demo, if that helps.
 

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Could be worse

They could be those rigid fake breasts that do not move no matter what you do to them

You know, the ones that seem to follow you around the room no matter where you go
 

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teh_Canape said:
MatParker116 said:
teh_Canape said:
DVS BSTrD said:
<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
the location of that "Play" logo is really fucking convenient if you ask me
There is a bathroom scene in that anime that I cannot post because it is softcore hentai.
would be surprised if it WASN'T softcore hentai
and I don't even watch the show XD
It contains the phrase "Good lord your gigantic".
 

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It always surprises me that, that game even has a market outside of Japan. The way Japan sexualises women is very different from the way the west sexualises women (as a whole, not looking for exceptions because I know they exist.)

Even on the tropes that we share, we're miles apart in representation.

And I take more issue with the way the characters act in these cutscenes I always see, rather than the size and unnaturalness of their devils dumplings. And those faces....... those soulless, fish eyed.. cherubim faces!

Stonking great titties? I got no beef with this. Even their weird movements, well it's not like the rest of the animations are realistic but... but those dead eyed plastic dolls....... they're searing my souls.
 

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The "size" of the boobs doesn't bug me,(though anymore than a handful is just a waste) the movement of them I find EXTREMELY disturbing. Has team ninja never seen a woman walk or move? I mean yes breasts do bounce but not that much and not that independently. It's just creepy.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
I have to say thanks for the link, i laughed my ass of.
The evasive boobs, just hilarious.
 

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I watched a few episodes of High School of the Dead. I spent the whole time telling myself to be ashamed of how much I sort-of-kind-of enjoyed it in all its awfulness.
 

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I'll be honest; when I read 'Monster Boobs' I instantly thought of the Hour of Love panel in which Jim showed us his... physics engine.
 

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Lunar Templar said:
not sure what sparked the need for a "willem dafoe" avatar in the last few videos, but its been amusing XD
you're obviously not a podtoid listener
and if you don't want to hear about Jonathan Holmes's ass or fake William Dafoe movie pitches, keep it that way


OT: Jim got a point, seriusly, who think those things are sexy?
 

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Satosuke said:
Definitely one of his better episodes, but runs the risk of opening up a HUUUUUGE can of worms in terms of culture clash. Too often, criticisms of systemic problems in a culture are shouted down as prejudiced, bigoted, or downright racist. Gang/thug mentality in black neighborhoods, anyone? And let's not even get started on Islam...
As long as it's just shouting, I really don't give a damn. It's when the shouting stops, things start to get nasty.

DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
Bullet
dodging
breasts

...

Matrix style.

Dammit Japan, if you weren't already an island, we'd have to isolate your ass all over again.
 

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These are the kind of issues I'd like to see being dug much deeper into. The Dead or Alive series creeps a lot of people out, but it can't just be the alien breasts. There's something more to it - something sinister - something about the way Team Ninja treats women in their games in general. It's beyond aesthetic, it's beyond fetishization and sexualization, there's something in the way they do it that stinks. In fact, I'd condone someone writing an essay on this subject.

There's something very, very wrong with Team Ninja.

josh4president said:
Could be worse

They could be those rigid fake breasts that do not move no matter what you do to them

You know, the ones that seem to follow you around the room no matter where you go
Are you sure they're not your own?
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
I watched a few episodes of High School of the Dead. I spent the whole time telling myself to be ashamed of how much I sort-of-kind-of enjoyed it in all its awfulness.
You know it's shit softcore hentai that you know some people are watching one handed. But it's watchable shit in the same way the Mortal Kombat films are. If you get what I mean.
 

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Whenever I see big boobs on anime/videogames, I always think that person has breast cancer, and that they live in a dystopian future where everyone clearly sees that there's something wrong, but no one does anything to help.
 

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GET OFF OF MY SCREEN, GIGANTIC MISTS OF PANDARIA AD WITHOUT AN X-BUTTON! Need to thank god for Jim!!
 

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Pff, you all have obviously NOT seen enough hentai to know what Japanese mean by HUGE tits. Those gals in DoA5? Nah, 'bout average hentai teens to be gangbanged by tentacled aliens.

THIS is what they mean by BIG:
http://www.sailormoonhentaiworld.com/images/hentai--aino-minako--bishoujo-senshi-sailor-moon--blonde-hair--blue-eyes--bow--breast-squeeze--breasts--castella--choker--earrings--hair-bow--huge-breasts--jewelry--long-hair--open-mouth--sailor-venus--smile--solo.jpg
Notice that each breast is "only" as big as the girl head.

And this is what they mean by HUGE.
http://xxxbunker.com/hentai_blonde_with_massive_tits_gets_screwed.jpg
And here each breast is about as big as the girls torso.

I feel kinda ashamed now and I don't even like huge tits. I prefer petite girls!
 

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Team Ninja in an honest world said:
We make the Dead Or Alive girls with massive tits and dead fish eyes because it sells. Some sick individuals like massive mammary glands that act independently of their hosts bodies and we play the numbers. So until the games stop selling we will continue making those games, so fucking deal with it.
That is all the justification they need and the same reason people like Anita Sarkeesian will never effect video games. If they build it they will come.
 

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I have two questions after watching this.

A: Is that actually a small fleshlight on Fantasy Willem Dafoe's head?
and
B: If it is, why are you in possession of it?


Also, as for those saying that it would've been bad PR if Team Ninja just outright said "Yeah we have huge boob fetish."
Would it really? I mean that's what everyone's thinking anyways. Saying it would only grant them honesty points.
 

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I don't even have to listen to your entire episode to realize that Jim is just jumping on the bandwagon where every video game should be based on super realism and if it isn't realistic it shouldn't be made anymore. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't really care about the developers if they actually want to developer the games they want them to be developed. I should also mention that Jim is taking the most shallow point of view here completely negating that the games they have developed as a company have always been from average to good games but instead just focuses on the breasts because it's the hot topic of the month and allows him to be in an ivory tower and throw stones.

Yeah sure you can call the justification bullshit but have you ever thought about the marketing and research departments that are hired by Tecmo to do research on actual audiences to make sure that their game is actually well designed while sporting attractive characters that people are interested in playing?

I should also mention that the DOA girls are always going to be compared to monsters because despite the fact that from game to game the actual breast size due to all the criticisms of the franchise from people who DO NOT BUY THE GAME have actually been successful at reducing the breast size of all the DOA women.

If anything the tragedy here is that Jim and all those people who don't want characters like the DOA franchise or characters like this to exist no longer want developers to design games the way they want to but to just have everything be mundane and realistic as possible where if someone sees something that is out of proportion that as an individual whether they will buy the game or not they suddenly feel entitled to demand changes despite not having any sort of ownership or in a management position of Tecmo.

The core of the issue is that are we going to really respect game developers and actually let them design games the way they want them and let them succeed or fail as a business be it if they actually demonstrate due diligence to research and market their games appropriately. Or, are we going to let individuals who have no stake in the success of failure of a company and the potential hundreds or thousands of people working day in day out to develop a product we want to our own personal specifications. I'm sorry but if we are really going to respect games as a form of media realize that not everything has to be gender neutral, or 100% customization because that takes away from any sort of specific narrative or story that the game wants to tell the player. Let developers develop the games they want them to be developed.

EDIT: I should also mention that in the terms of eye candy department or when it comes to female characters standing out for the video game generations have actually gotten a lot smaller because of the religious right of video games.
 

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You know what grinds my gears? When I read a manga, or watch an anime, and I see a girl, claiming to be15, or 13 or (God help us) 11, and they definitely do NOT look like they're that age! Even worse when the artist goes to certain lengths to get a good look at her "figure". If anyone who lives in Japan is reading this, could you work to, maybe, STOP this trend or something?
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
Wait.

If Team Ninja outright said they have a tit fetish, wouldnt that be bad PR?
not as bad as basically saying 'were're Japanese, it's part of our culture; relax.'
 

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Jim is just prejudiced against robosexuals. Hey Jim, just because it doesn't move like a fleshy sack of water it doesn't mean it's not fair game. Biological organisms are all crawling with bacteria anyway. Now what seems more creepy? Eh?
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
FYI, I fully admit that today's episode is ridiculous and pointless. It was, however, incredible fun to record and edit. Hopefully it's fun for you to watch. <3
It was fun to watch. As a person who's never really had any exposure to the Dead or Alive series because I'm not big on the fighting genre, about halfway through the video right before it was actually brought up I thought to myself "Wow, they're bouncing around like they have their own brains".

Also, I like that you've started putting after-credits stingers. I don't know if it'll be a consistent thing, but it's enjoyable all the same. :D
 

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MB202 said:
You know what grinds my gears? When I read a manga, or watch an anime, and I see a girl, claiming to be15, or 13 or (God help us) 11, and they definitely do NOT look like they're that age! Even worse when the artist goes to certain lengths to get a good look at her "figure". If anyone who lives in Japan is reading this, could you work to, maybe, STOP this trend or something?
HSOTD is a prime example of this. They are in High School, they should not have funbags that would look out of place in Playboy.
 

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I'll agree that boobage is part of the DOA "culture", but it should come with an on/off switch.

It wouldn't be that hard.

Options > Gameplay > "Advanced Physics" (or something equally tame) > Toggle Switch.

Voilà. Done. The pervs get their pervage, the guys more interesting in the fighting mechanics can go on being interested in the fighting mechanics without Lovecraftian mammaries hogging up the screen.
 

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Also, the mention of "culture" just reminds me of how that guy harassed that poor girl playing Street Fighter x Tekken, and justified it by saying it's part of the fighting game culture. As Jim said "BUUUUUUUUULLSHIT!"
 

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I wouldn't mind so much but they can't have seen that many tits if that's how they think they move. Those are like two water balloons given sentience and stapled to a dead eyed porcelain doll.
 

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Its Dead or Alive, what were they gonna put in it instead of crazy digitits?
Why is it suddenly not ok after the fifth game?
Why is the world not permitted to have just 1 super sexualized booby game among the thousands of other games?

Seems like the reaction people had over Duke Nukem:Forever all over again, its burlesque people, it is an art form.
 

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I just can't get all that worked up about this. Fake boobs on fake women? From one developer? (Yes, I know there are certainly other devs that have ridiculously voluptuous characters and/or jiggle physics, but TN are the focus of this one, and for this subject, rightly so.) There are things in the medium that I get pissed off about, but a large part of that comes not just from companies behaving badly, but giving other companies the idea that the particular ways in which they're behaving are acceptable (and/or profitable), and soon the whole market is doing them and the customers are left without an alternative. There are things that market dynamics cannot fix, much as free market dogmatists might like to pretend otherwise. But Team Ninja making big boobs doesn't seem like one of them. If people don't like DoA games- if they find that particular element sufficiently off-putting that they reduce the amount of enjoyment they get out of those games, vs. other available alternatives- they'll stop buying and renting them.

I'm also a little confused about what specifically Jim finds so offensive. This is not to say he doesn't have every right to be offended; that's his choice, of course. But I'm genuinely having trouble following if it's "real breasts don't behave like that" or "breasts are being focused on to the exclusion of all other elements that could be found sexy" or "gigantic breasts on teenagers is fetishizing women who are uncomfortably young to be the focus of that kind of attention" or "we're seeing all kinds of jiggle physics thrown at figures who otherwise look like dead-faced waxen dolls" or even "Would you kindly stop presuming that this kind of blatant pandering is what I, as a male gamer, am looking for out of my video games?" I think you could find good arguments for any of those, but the way this Jimquisition seems to kind of wander about in that regard makes it feel like a kind of rounded-off "it's squicky and gross to me, make it go awayyyyy" that's harder to intellectually defend.

Oh, and for the record, the last DoA game I played was DoA 2, so I'd have to admit that part of my "meh" response comes down to not having a whole lot at stake one way or another.
 
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TBH, I don't have an issue with DoA...Because I don't play the games, or really give a damn.

They like big oversized boobs? Sure, have fun. It's not my thing.

What I DO have team ninja for is participating in the atrocity that was Other M. *shakes fist*
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
I know a porn where Lisa Simpson ('lookalike') masturbates while Marge ('lookalike') gets fucked by the bee man... And yet Japan manages to produce shit that is more sleezy in a few frames than all the spoof-porn and exploitation movies I've watched.
 

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Why do people care if the tits are not realistic? WHY? Magic isn't real either, let's throw that out of games. Werewolves aren't real either, let's get rid of those.
 

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Tenmar said:
I don't even have to listen to your entire episode to realize that Jim is just jumping on the bandwagon where every video game should be based on super realism and if it isn't realistic it shouldn't be made anymore. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't really care about the developers if they actually want to developer the games they want them to be developed. I should also mention that Jim is taking the most shallow point of view here completely negating that the games they have developed as a company have always been from average to good games but instead just focuses on the breasts because it's the hot topic of the month and allows him to be in an ivory tower and throw stones.

Yeah sure you can call the justification bullshit but have you ever thought about the marketing and research departments that are hired by Tecmo to do research on actual audiences to make sure that their game is actually well designed while sporting attractive characters that people are interested in playing?

I should also mention that the DOA girls are always going to be compared to monsters because despite the fact that from game to game the actual breast size due to all the criticisms of the franchise from people who DO NOT BUY THE GAME have actually been successful at reducing the breast size of all the DOA women.

If anything the tragedy here is that Jim and all those people who don't want characters like the DOA franchise or characters like this to exist no longer want developers to design games the way they want to but to just have everything be mundane and realistic as possible where if someone sees something that is out of proportion that as an individual whether they will buy the game or not they suddenly feel entitled to demand changes despite not having any sort of ownership or in a management position of Tecmo.

The core of the issue is that are we going to really respect game developers and actually let them design games the way they want them and let them succeed or fail as a business be it if they actually demonstrate due diligence to research and market their games appropriately. Or, are we going to let individuals who have no stake in the success of failure of a company and the potential hundreds or thousands of people working day in day out to develop a product we want to our own personal specifications. I'm sorry but if we are really going to respect games as a form of media realize that not everything has to be gender neutral, or 100% customization because that takes away from any sort of specific narrative or story that the game wants to tell the player. Let developers develop the games they want them to be developed.

EDIT: I should also mention that in the terms of eye candy department or when it comes to female characters standing out for the video game generations have actually gotten a lot smaller because of the religious right of video games.
I think you are taking this a little personally.

It's not about the breast size, it's about Team Ninja creating female characters that don't exist in the uncanny valley. The girls could be more appealing if they didn't remind me of cheap Sex Dolls.

It's about Team Ninja blaming everyone else for people not liking the bad parts of their games, instead of them, who created the bad parts themselves.

It's about Team Ninja not being culturally sensitive and trying to compete in the market and them being surprised at other cultures not agreeing with them.

The point of the video is exposing the weak points of Team Ninja and they are welcome to take them and improve their products for a wider audience. In the end, everyone will win.
 

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Why doesn't everybody? That is the real question.
When I first saw this, I felt the need to take a crack at your sexual prowess.

Then I realized that I had already lost that endeavor.

Touche sir.
 

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I watched a few episodes of High School of the Dead. I spent the whole time telling myself to be ashamed of how much I sort-of-kind-of enjoyed it in all its awfulness.
Did you ever try Hellsing? It's like that tits scene, but on the violence side of the crazy coin.
 

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I think realism is the wrong word to use when talking about DOA or any fighting game really. I'm completely okay with the tits of DOA a long as the devs don't try to pretend that it's anything more then either cheap wank material or a stupid joke.
 

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Jim, thanks for making me momentarily fall out with my girlfriend.

Great video though.
This is a story that demands it be told.
 

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I think you are taking this a little personally.

It's not about the breast size, it's about Team Ninja creating female characters that don't exist in the uncanny valley. The girls could be more appealing if they didn't remind me of cheap Sex Dolls.

It's about Team Ninja blaming everyone else for people not liking the bad parts of their games, instead of them, who created the bad parts themselves.

It's about Team Ninja not being culturally sensitive and trying to compete in the market and them being surprised at other cultures not agreeing with them.

The point of the video is exposing the weak points of Team Ninja and they are welcome to take them and improve their products for a wider audience. In the end, everyone will win.
Let me ask you this question. How is it "bad"? This focus on the negative and thus should be changed logically does not make sense. When you have a product you need to know how to advertise it to the demographic you want because the franchise has existed for so long it's pretty clear cut that they actually like to develop a fighting game that has earned the respect of players to be the way it is.

Also they don't have to be culturally sensitive. If anything the only way we really have learned about other countries culture for better or for worse is when we let the culture be the culture it is. We don't learn everything by basically being cultural imperialists where you demand a company take on the burden of being representative of an entire culture that honestly is so microscopic that it really should be left up to the actual representatives such as religions and the government and the holidays they choose to revere.

Also your last point doesn't make sense. The DOA franchise has always been a successful franchise because they have always improved on the actual core of the game which is the fighting and they have as I stated before have constantly reduced the breast size of all the DOA women from game to game and yet people still complain and want them smaller and smaller. Hard fact is that the video game religious right here don't actually do any research but once again run along with the internet meme that the DOA women have the largest breasts in video games. The real problem here is that people like Jim and the video game version of the religious right feel some moral obligation or authority to demand that games be designed to be super realistic and be respectful to all races, genders religions regardless of the actual wishes of the developers who put their actual financial security on the line to make their product successful.

EDIT: I should note that their marketing for DOA this time is "I'm a fighter". Also the one time that Tecmo actually did their look at my breasts was because of the new technology in the PS3 controllers with the release of Ninja Gaiden 2, you know when the console was new and developers could show what exactly even in the most hilarious way they could do with the technology. I mean the companies marketing department makes fun of their own franchise and fans.
 

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I thought we would be over moralizing over these kinds of things by now. Like Jim, I also personally find the team-ninja game to be extremely unsexy and rather low and I do find them rather laughable and stupid and immature, but I think that about alot of things. I thought it was stupid that the Tomb Raider-games had to have a heroine with enourmos cans as well, but it just doesn't bother me. If all games where like that? Sure, it would bother me. But they aren't, and never will be because peoples tastes differ. If some studio want to make games like that and find a market of people wanting to play them, so let them. What does it matter? Porn will always exist, and this is just borderline porn dressed up as a game, but so what?
 

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I've never payed much mind to the DoA series, but what kind of irks me is how the massive breasts and weird physics has went from "Cool, boobs," to, "oh god wtf this is just sick whats wrong with u team ninja," in the past year or two. Why the sudden change in attitude? I sure didn't see anyone complaining when DoA4 came out a couple years ago and hell I didn't see a whole lot on that ridiculous beach volleyball game either.

And while I can understand criticizing Team Ninja for trying to make piss poor excuses instead of just being upfront on how they make their games, I don't really understand the point of criticizing them over these things in the first place when Team Ninja's style has ALWAYS been like that. They're not hurting anybody, and if you're really opposed to how they're representing women then just don't buy their games.
 

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I can't help but to sigh after this. Honestly who gives a fuck about tits not behaving naturally in DOA? They won't change it and even if they do it wouldn't actually matter on the game industry. And the way you acted grossed out was kinda unexpected, it is someone's fetish and it's not even that weird compared to other stuff people beat off to...
 

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I really think that Fleshlight is missing something. Perhaps a photo of Jonathan Holmes glued to it?
 

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BEWBIES!!!!!!

:p Now that that's out of the way, I understand where Jim is coming from with this, but the "cultural explination" actually does hold some water. On the first page of comments I see someone has already posted the legendary High School of the Dead Bullet Boobie Dance and there-in lies the point. They don't water down their anime which is loaded with gratuitous amounts of...ahem, "Fan Service" when they release said anime for international markets. For crying out loud, Adult Swim used to have a bump featuring a pic of a Japanese subway train going into a tunnel that is being straddled by a giant statue of an anime school girl.

It IS part of their culture. I'm not saying we have to accept or even like that it's part of their culture, but there's a pretty large difference between a country that has oversexualized fantasies about younger girls with disproportionate physiques and a country that mutilates the genitals of females. One is something you can "tolerate" because it's a culture different from your own, the other is something you condemn because they're bringing active physical harm to other human beings.

Look, Dead or Alive is known for one thing: "jiggle physics". Granted, this new interpretation of physics defies the laws of gravity and friction, but just like in anime: it's all "fan service". People don't buy Dead or Alive games because they REALLY love playing paper-rock-scissors and wanted that to be translated into a fighting game. No, they buy it because it's paper-rock-scissors with big honkin' breasts. Don't like it? Well then you likely don't buy or play Dead or Alive games.

Now the Dead or Alive volleyball games, on the other hand, are straight-up masturbation material and anyone claiming to buy those for any reason other than that is a damn dirty liar. :p
 

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Those breasts made me feel queasy. Also the sexualisation in HSOTD totally ruins the atmosphere.
I tried to watch Gurren Lagann, but I couldn't get past the first episode. I used to be able to resist fan service and pandering better, but now it feels so freaking stupid.

Some days ago friends of mine were talking about HSOTD saying it was awesome, and it may be, but with that level of fan service I won't be able to watch it.

Shame :(
 

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first it was a huge purple dildo bat and then Bad dragon dildos and now we have fleshlights

Is Jim sterling trying to tell us something?? That he masturbates is a fleshlight and uses huge bad dragon dildos??

EDIT: is DOA 5 any good? Has it finally become a true fighting game?
Best DOA game ever. And I loved DOA4. It feels like a smoother and more refined Tekken. Best 3D fighter on the market right now (and 2nd best fighter behind SSF4:AE:2012). Lots of improvements across the board.
 

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first it was a huge purple dildo bat and then Bad dragon dildos and now we have fleshlights

Is Jim sterling trying to tell us something?? That he masturbates is a fleshlight and uses huge bad dragon dildos??
I wasn't even aware he ever used something from bad dragon as a prop. I thought that site was just an elaborate joke.
 

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First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.

Seriously, he's wrong this time. There's nothing wrong with having a fetish for unrealistic boobs. But there is something wrong with promoting hate and intolerance towards people with that fetish. What have we ever done to you?

And no, there's nothing wrong with selling that game internationally either. If you don't like Dead or Alive's breast physics, then guess what? Dead or Alive wasn't designed for you. It was designed for me. Don't impose your morals and your preferences on a demographic that isn't yours. Jim seems to be implying that every game ever made has to be designed to be marketable to everybody, and that's just silly.

So to recap:
-There's nothing wrong with having a fetish, even a fetish for big, unrealistic bouncy breasts. Fetishism is not a choice and being intolerant of a person based on his fetish is as bad as being intolerant of a person based on his sexual orientation. If the fetish isn't hurting anybody, you have no right to promote hate against it.
-There's nothing wrong with selling the game internationally. If you don't like the physics, then the game wasn't made for you. It was made for those of us who do like the physics.

Seriously Jim? Pretending to throw up near the end? Calling the Dead or Alive girls "kids"? For Petesake. You used to be logical. That's just tacky.
 

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There seems to be a lot of generalization in this thread about Japanese tastes. Let's be careful about what we're critiquing here and the words we use. I'm not seeing any credit given to folks in Japan for being self-aware or having a sense of humor and in my experience folks there were possessed of an abundance of both those virtues.

Not to knock what Jim's saying - he was speaking specifically to Team Ninja and addressing specific things they'd said. Fair enough, thank god for Jim, etc etc.

But FWIW, I always figured the admittedly odd jiggle physics were an attempt by programmers to simulate something real, not unlike the Sims attempt to simulate human behavior. I don't actually think anyone figured they got it 'right' and I've always thought criticisms along the lines of 'have they never seen a real woman' to be needlessly mean-spirited. Programming is tough, and someone here is taking a crack at making a physics engine simulate organic movement.

Climbing out of the uncanny valley is incredibly hard and I'm not sure I can fault folks who, midway through their efforts, start chuckling at how ludicrious what they're doing is and decide to go silly instead of real. I have absolutely no proof that this is what happened, but it jives better with my understanding of how people work than "Oh, those whacky Japanese with their crazy sex fetishes, if only they were enlightened like us."
 

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I bought DoA5 today and its awesome.
While the jiggle physics are ridiculous, agreed. The sexual stuff seems to have been toned down quite a bit, the new character Mira is fairly covered and doesn't seem that "big", Christie wears a bra rather then a glued on jacket and the casual clothing outfits look like something you'd actually wear.

Really, the pervyness of these games has never really bothered me, its easy to ignore. The only time they have bothered me is when the developers choose it over the story. Like in DoA4 when you complete the game with the main character Kasumi I was expecting some ending video against her clone, but no, we got some retarded mermaid scene that had nothing to do with anything.

This game (and dimensions) seems a lot more story focused so far and I'm enjoying it. If the ending is another God damn mermaid scene though, I'll never defend this title again ~_~
 

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I don't even have to listen to your entire episode to realize that Jim is just jumping on the bandwagon where every video game should be based on super realism and if it isn't realistic it shouldn't be made anymore.
No I think he's just jumping on his opinion of "The breast physics are completely unappealing and why the hell would you even want breasts to move like that?"

Maybe you should, like, actually watch the video before you put words in someone else's mouth and attack them like they said that.

EDIT: BTW, I don't understand the whole "Japanese Culture" thing. Taste in breast size seems to be extremely polarized with most of the popular anime coming out today featuring girls with flat chests, and people backlashing because fanartists increase the breast size of their favorite characters.

To say super huge breasts and breast physics are a part of Japanese culture may just be Team Ninja trying to use other's ignorance to defend their actions (at Japan's expense)
 

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This is exactly why I can't watch anime newer than say cowboy bebop. You just can't find one made in the last 20 years that doesn't have at least one portion of it sexualizing adolescents. And adolescents is being generous. Most anime has a very strong pedo vibe to it.

A friend of mine wanted to get to me to show me some he liked and I told him I would watch it if it didn't have any panty shots or worse. And he couldn't find any.

The team ninja guy is right that fetishization of breasts on kids is a product of japanese culture and I counter with my opinion that this specific portion of the culture is degenerate and should be minimized instead of celebrated.
 

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I guess it's just another fetish, like those people who like dolls and such, but a company trying to sell us a fetish as a "cutlure"? Really?
Also, as a fan of TTGL, I have nothing against Gainaxing if it's not overdone, but making it into the focus of entire games is just too much.
 

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From a horribly shot unscripted dude with a dodgy mic to freakin' Mini Willem Dafoe's head in a fleshlight!

Now THAT's entertainment!
 

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People grow up, their hormones die down and then complain about stuff that are blatantly for teenagers. Every generation has teenagers, the industry is not just for your age demographic.
 

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Tenmar said:
ex275w said:
I think you are taking this a little personally.

It's not about the breast size, it's about Team Ninja creating female characters that don't exist in the uncanny valley. The girls could be more appealing if they didn't remind me of cheap Sex Dolls.

It's about Team Ninja blaming everyone else for people not liking the bad parts of their games, instead of them, who created the bad parts themselves.

It's about Team Ninja not being culturally sensitive and trying to compete in the market and them being surprised at other cultures not agreeing with them.

The point of the video is exposing the weak points of Team Ninja and they are welcome to take them and improve their products for a wider audience. In the end, everyone will win.
Let me ask you this question. How is it "bad"? This focus on the negative and thus should be changed logically does not make sense. When you have a product you need to know how to advertise it to the demographic you want because the franchise has existed for so long it's pretty clear cut that they actually like to develop a fighting game that has earned the respect of players to be the way it is.

Also they don't have to be culturally sensitive. If anything the only way we really have learned about other countries culture for better or for worse is when we let the culture be the culture it is. We don't learn everything by basically being cultural imperialists where you demand a company take on the burden of being representative of an entire culture that honestly is so microscopic that it really should be left up to the actual representatives such as religions and the government and the holidays they choose to revere.

Also your last point doesn't make sense. The DOA franchise has always been a successful franchise because they have always improved on the actual core of the game which is the fighting and they have as I stated before have constantly reduced the breast size of all the DOA women from game to game. The real problem here is that people like Jim and the video game version of the religious right feel some moral obligation or authority to demand that games be designed to be super realistic and be respectful to all races, genders religions regardless of the actual wishes of the developers who put their actual financial security on the line to make their product successful.
It's bad because the female characters look unappealing and might be considered by many sexist or immature and people don't want to buy products that they find unappealing, sexist or immature. It's increasing the audience by doing a small action, you don't have to dumb down the game or remove the boobs, just make them charming.

Sure you don't need to be culturally sensitive to release something to international markets but you can't be surprised that if you include a Mexican racist caricature, a lot of Mexicans will be pissed off, sure include it, but be expected to receive criticism. Acting surprised and blaming people for being offended when that happens is just acting like a baby. Even worse, your casual racism or sexism that occurs in your culture isn't the best part of your culture to showcase in your games, especially if it's released everywhere.

Sure then can improve on the franchise's mechanics I'm not debating that. Team Ninja needs to learn criticism and not blame others for their mistakes. Jim is not trying to censor anyone, nor trying to imply every game needs to be Politically Correct or cater to his needs, he is just saying the DOA girls are creepy as shit. Besides why wouldn't you normally be respectful to other cultures, races, sexes, religions, and genders. When you are criticizing something like a religion, you are being respectful, even if you can't believe that.
 

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MatParker116 said:
teh_Canape said:
DVS BSTrD said:
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the location of that "Play" logo is really fucking convenient if you ask me
There is a bathroom scene in that anime that I cannot post because it is softcore hentai.
would be surprised if it WASN'T softcore hentai
and I don't even watch the show XD
I watched it and even though I caught up in the action at that moment looking back at that scene screams WTF and HOW THE F*** IS THAT POSSIBLE especially being able to dodge a .50 cal shot by hopping over it and dodging it by you swaying boobage....I don't what to say anymore about HOTD...
 

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First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.
A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!
 

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I remember in the fourth grade, when I and my friend have played DoA demo on PS, we were very confused by jumping breasts. Today it looks already familiar and common, heh
 

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Belated said:
First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.
A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!
A) Fair enough.
B) Actually in this case, yes it is. It's wrong to rag on people for something they can't help. If it's harming nobody, and it's not a choice, then all you're doing is spreading unwarranted hatred. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.389418-Dead-or-Alive-5-Director-A-Lot-of-Fans-Want-Bigger-Breasts?page=7#15641671]
C) Oh I'm looking at them all right. And don't make me laugh. Those girls aren't kids. You're a kid until you're 13. Then you're a teenager until you're 20. For some reason at some point somebody decided that 18 is the cutoff number for pedophilia. If, God forbid, a 17 or 16 year old girl should blossom early, and you DARE find her attractive, you're somehow a sick person. I don't think I need to explain why this concept is stupid.
D) Still looking. Fetishist pride, baby! We're here, we're weird, get used to it.
 

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Well he said at the expo he knew all about breast physics and he really backed it up.
 

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"Plastic children" - Desperately grasping for a demonized (rightfully) buzz word that doesn't remotely apply. No one looks at DoA girls and thinks, oh what a well endowed child. Your better than that, that's Fox News territory. These are blatantly not pre-teen or early teen models, maybe mid at a reach, if Japan wants you to see a child in porn you'll know it.

Lets face it, this is interactive soft porn. Are you going to go to a porn studio and rant about how big man parts objectify and enforce untrue information about the average man? This is a fantasy game, it's meant for... ::drum roll::... fantasizing. Reality doesn't belong just as much as when your day dreaming about William Dafoe.

Boob render quality - If you don't like one soft porn mag, buy another or don't buy one at all. Team Ninja doesn't owe you your personal brand of realistic jiggle physics and size. They're attempting to supply a particular type of fantasy to a niche market who enjoys it and they've put their time in to produce it.

I feel this is coming from anger about indoctrinating a ridiculous visual standard, please look at it this way...

Porn is like candy and candy will always be around. It's bad for you but it's fun once in a while and if you become disappointed that all food doesn't taste like candy then sooner or later you'll get hit by the reality bus. This is the natural progression of maturity inherit in all experiences and it doesn't make liking candy wrong. Your problem is with a brand of candy you have no taste for and an assumption that everyone's grasp on reality is extremely fragile, grow up.

P.S. Love all your thought provoking videos! :)
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

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What... the fuck... did I just witness?!

Almost every frame I was thinking 'OK, it's peaked now. This couldn't possibly get any more preposterous.'

and then a pair of tits managed to jiggle their way out of getting hit with a .50cal, I just... I don't even...
You just witnessed High School of the Dead. The show itself is weird and over the top that it makes it awesome.
 
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Those breasts made me feel queasy. Also the sexualisation in HSOTD totally ruins the atmosphere.
Well at least the HOSTD creator flat out said he liked big t*** instead of making excuses like team ninja does. Meh I'm going to disagree with you Jim there just cgi fictional charter and I know breast don't work this way IRL and still find them attractive on a few levels. Hey if you don't that's cool and we all have reasons why >_>
 

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These are in no way children's bodies. Sorry, you're completely wrong there.

They, or rather IT (there's only one body type honestly) is around the age of 17-25. The faces yeah, you can argue that they're childlike, but not the bodies.

The boobs themselves are also disappointing, since they all appear to be one size and with terrible physics. At least have some size variety FFS,

I agree with the overall sentiment of the video, but that one plain falsehood (children's bodies) ruins its impact.
 

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Belated said:
First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.
A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!
A) Fair enough.
B) Actually in this case, yes it is. It's wrong to rag on people for something they can't help. If it's harming nobody, and it's not a choice, then all you're doing is spreading unwarranted hatred. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.389418-Dead-or-Alive-5-Director-A-Lot-of-Fans-Want-Bigger-Breasts?page=7#15641671]
C) Oh I'm looking at them all right. And don't make me laugh. Those girls aren't kids. You're a kid until you're 13. Then you're a teenager until you're 20. For some reason at some point somebody decided that 18 is the cutoff number for pedophilia. If, God forbid, a 17 or 16 year old girl should blossom early, and you DARE find her attractive, you're somehow a sick person. I don't think I need to explain why this concept is stupid.
D) Still looking. Fetishist pride, baby! We're here, we're weird, get used to it.
B) You're arguing now that it's WRONG. Not that it's hypocritical.
C) They have the faces of porcelain children.
 

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well, i agree. i never got off to video games. especially huge breasts in games or even hentai are a real turn off. btw, i love yiff :3
 

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C) They have the faces of porcelain children.
Lolipop Chainsaw - Does she look like a child to you to? If you really want to imagine stretch someones age in a direction it's easier to do with plain textures. You see what you want to see. Are you seeing children?
 

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Why are we berating Team Ninja for breast physics of all things when there are far more important issues with TN we could be discussing? Like how NG3 just completely blew? Isn't anyone curious as to WHY that happened. I guess not, because boob physics seem to take bigger precedence over actual video game discussion.
 

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Creating a masturbatory aid where you put huge breasts on children and have them strut around in tiny outfits and suggestive poses under the guise of being a fighting game may not be wrong, technically, but it sure if fucking creeeeeeepy. It's too pathetic to be truly hurtful, though, I think.
 

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I hope they ignore the criticism and release the game they want to. If people don't like then they won't buy the game. Otherwise get your morals out of my video games.

Seriously, you get all up in arms when something like Six Days in Fallujah gets canceled over mainstream criticism or they remove the option to "play as the Taliban". So why do you think you get to impose your morals on this game?

I don't play these games nor do I get off on virtual women. I do however support letting creative people create any legal product they wish and then letting the market decide if it was the right choice or not.

But I guess even Jim Sterling is not above "its ok when I do it".
 

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Creating a masturbatory aid where you put huge breasts on children and have them strut around in tiny outfits and suggestive poses under the guise of being a fighting game may not be wrong, technically, but it sure if fucking creeeeeeepy. It's too pathetic to be truly hurtful, though, I think.
What children?
 

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I hope they ignore the criticism and release the game they want to. If people don't like then they won't buy the game. Otherwise get your morals out of my video games.

Seriously, you get all up in arms when something like Six Days in Fallujah gets canceled over mainstream criticism or they remove the option to "play as the Taliban". So why do you think you get to impose your morals on this game?

I don't play these games nor do I get off on virtual women. I do however support letting creative people create any legal product they wish and then letting the market decide if it was the right choice or not.

But I guess even Jim Sterling is not above "its ok when I do it".
Uh, what? Jim Sterling isn't enacting congressional legislation to force breast size reduction in fighting games. Team Ninja can release whatever legal game they want, but Jim Sterling is part of the market that gets to decide if it was the right choice, and as a critic in this field, it's his job to criticize video games.

Literally his job.

Also, you may need to watch the video again. At this point, I think it's safe to say that Jim Sterling doesn't even understand the concept of morals (except maybe when it comes to pedophile burglary [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5342-When-Piracy-Becomes-Theft]).
 

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MatsVS said:
Creating a masturbatory aid where you put huge breasts on children and have them strut around in tiny outfits and suggestive poses under the guise of being a fighting game may not be wrong, technically, but it sure if fucking creeeeeeepy. It's too pathetic to be truly hurtful, though, I think.
See this is the type of people who really don't understand that the DOA series hasn't been successful because of the sexual themes but like to assert that conception as if it were fact. The DOA series has been with us since the days of the PS ONE. The franchise is Sixteen years old now. DOA has been a competent fighting game that is fun and different compared to all the other fighters out on the market and has been able to make its own niche.

I mean really this comes from out of nowhere that DOA suddenly has become some enemy of the video game industry for doing absolutely everything right in terms of marketing, game design, and even appeasing those that constantly complain about the sexualization by constantly reducing the bust size of the DOA women in each sequel and yet people still have the gall to somehow complain that it is completely unrealistic.

Honestly each person that really wants to take the time to demonize a successful company and their franchise over something as simple as their own personal design choices are just demonstrating how shallow they actually are and desire to feel morally superior to everyone else just like the religious right in the USA.
 

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Look at the old women in Skyrim. Their boobs are as big and firm and pert as those of the young ladies. Boobs don't work like that either. The difference is that The Elder Scrolls series wants to be taken seriously, whereas DOA has always been a boob physics tech demo. It's a similar story with the cameltoe wonderland that is Mass Effect.

DOA is what it is and that's not a problem. What is a problem is that it's representative of the rest of the games industry, which stil has a really hard time with humans in general and women in particlar, both in terms of aesthetics and gameplay. When everyone else is racing ahead, Team Ninja will have to catch up but right now they're just the most blatant/honest developer out there.
 
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It's just DoA. There is a good game under everything Team Ninja does but just wouldn't be a Team Ninja game without it. Every medium has quite frankly ridiculous stuff and I could probably name a good few things but I don't think that is allowed here. It isn't necessarily a good thing but it isn't something that can just be changed about games or any media over night. If you really want to see bad stuff just go to the strange parts of the internet not that I recommend it in fact I'd rather you didn't go there.

To me as people have been putting up a lot of videos of it for some reason DoA is like Highschool of the Dead of fighting games. You don't compare HotD to Walking Dead nor do you compare DoA to I dunno Tekken. That is where I see the problem. There is no Walking Dead to fighting games and if there was I think this would be a much smaller issue. I can't think of a single Fighting game that is mature with normal watershed levels of sexualisation. That is what I see to be the real problem here no alternatives.

One thing I don't agree with is that they look like kids. They are all made to look more or less barely legal and once again not saying that it makes it any better but still a bit of an exaggeration. Also the episode was fun.
 

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FYI, I fully admit that today's episode is ridiculous and pointless. It was, however, incredible fun to record and edit. Hopefully it's fun for you to watch. <3
Yes Jim. :) This video was very entertaining. (I am aware that this statement can be taken in some very bad ways. To those who wish to do so, the only pre-reply I can offer you is; SHUT UP! Unless you were actually very funny.)

However, I don't think it's completely pointless (again; Shut up). As you said, many people do know this already, but few come out to say it on a "public stage". So thanks Jim, and thank God for you. <3
 

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I kind of liked the breasts...then I saw them in motion and noticed the bizarre movements. When Jim gets his inevitable buddy cop film (co-starring Yahtzee and, featuring Bob Chipman as the crooked chief of Police) Adventure Fantasy-Time Willam Defoe is going to be the fan-favorite character. Just like Vinnie Gognitti.

Thank Jim for Jim!
 

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"Plastic children" - Desperately grasping for a demonized (rightfully) buzz word that doesn't remotely apply. No one looks at DoA girls and thinks, oh what a well endowed child. Your better than that, that's Fox News territory. These are blatantly not pre-teen or early teen models, maybe mid at a reach, if Japan wants you to see a child in porn you'll know it.

Lets face it, this is interactive soft porn. Are you going to go to a porn studio and rant about how big man parts objectify and enforce untrue information about the average man? This is a fantasy game, it's meant for... ::drum roll::... fantasizing. Reality doesn't belong just as much as when your day dreaming about William Dafoe.

Boob render quality - If you don't like one soft porn mag, buy another or don't buy one at all. Team Ninja doesn't owe you your personal brand of realistic jiggle physics and size. They're attempting to supply a particular type of fantasy to a niche market who enjoys it and they've put their time in to produce it.

I feel this is coming from anger about indoctrinating a ridiculous visual standard, please look at it this way...

Porn is like candy and candy will always be around. It's bad for you but it's fun once in a while and if you become disappointed that all food doesn't taste like candy then sooner or later you'll get hit by the reality bus. This is the natural progression of maturity inherit in all experiences and it doesn't make liking candy wrong. Your problem is with a brand of candy you have no taste for and an assumption that everyone's grasp on reality is extremely fragile, grow up.

P.S. Love all your thought provoking videos! :)
Oooh, a voice of reason in this virtual sea of moral panic. I tip my hat off to you good sir.

I completely agree, to each his own. I dont personally find it sexy at all nor am I in the least interested in the DoA-franchise, but I couldn't care less that some people are. The games are being made and obviously there is a market for it, there is a market for porn as well but I'm not going up in arms over that either.

And using children as terminology is just being intellectually dishonest. First of all, children is 1-12 years old, maybe even 13-14 but after that they are teenagers. These are obviously not 10yearolds we are talking about here, so swinging around the "think of the children"-card is just silly.

According to wikipedia, Kasumi is 17 years old, and sure looks older to me atleast. Furthermore, she is a fictional character that is most certainly not portrayed as looking like a child. When you have a fictional character, her age becomes less of how old her creator says she is (he could have called her a 5 year-old, but with that appearance she will still look like an older woman) and more about how she looks. And if the face looks somewhat young, so what? Have you never seen 16-20year olds with young faces? I sure have.

Also worth noting is that while many here like to critize the "culture" aspect, not many realize that they themselves see american culture as a default. Not all countries have 18 as a cutoff-point for when you are allowed sex. Sweden (as prude as we are in other aspects) actually have the cutoff-point at 15 years of age, making the DoA-girls legal by a good margin.

I just want to finish with a small disclaimer, I myself have no interest in DoA, underage girls or huge breasts. I'm just one of those live-and-let-live kind of guys, as long as no one is hurt. Let the market decide what is right and wrong, what is tasteful and what is not. Not some arbitrary morality that demonizes things that you do not like but absolutely not the things you DO like.

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These are the kind of issues I'd like to see being dug much deeper into. The Dead or Alive series creeps a lot of people out, but it can't just be the alien breasts. There's something more to it - something sinister - something about the way Team Ninja treats women in their games in general. It's beyond aesthetic, it's beyond fetishization and sexualization, there's something in the way they do it that stinks. In fact, I'd condone someone writing an essay on this subject.

There's something very, very wrong with Team Ninja.

josh4president said:
Could be worse

They could be those rigid fake breasts that do not move no matter what you do to them

You know, the ones that seem to follow you around the room no matter where you go
Are you sure they're not your own?
Side note: is Team Ninja involved in the Soul Calibur series too? I'm a straight, red-blooded man, but even I find the level of sexualization in those games' women almost insulting and blatantly pandering. Their ads seem to say "BOOBS! Now that we have your attention, buy our game featuring garish costumes on comically unproportioned women and laughably oversized weapons that don't draw a drop of blood! Because unlike SOME Game developers, we're not savages!"
 

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Speaking as a 22 year old straight male whose never seen naked breasts in real life I thank Team Ninja for doing what they do.
 

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Side note: is Team Ninja involved in the Soul Calibur series too? I'm a straight, red-blooded man, but even I find the level of sexualization in those games' women almost insulting and blatantly pandering. Their ads seem to say "BOOBS! Now that we have your attention, buy our game featuring garish costumes on comically unproportioned women and laughably oversized weapons that don't draw a drop of blood! Because unlike SOME Game developers, we're not savages!"
That is Namco-Bandai actually. They are both the developer and publisher of the series.
 

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Personally, I find the obsession with breasts as a sex symbol to be unsettling, immature and pointless. For starters, breasts are a motherly thing, so basically our whole culture is obsessed with fucking mothers. Very Freudian.
But more than that, why are breasts the only thing that is sexy? Why not try focusing on something that bespeaks of the individuality of the character, like, say, the face? Oh, right, because we don't really want individual characters here. We're just looking for a sex-object, ergo we focus on something that isn't capable of talking back.
 

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There is nothing wrong in having breasts with physics
Similarly to first 3D character models, this stuff will become OK eventually
(at this point they move too slow and keep their inertia for too long)
In perfect case scenario this technology eventually will be developed for various breast sizes/forms/clothes and adapted also for males- pecs and manboobs
FaceGen also started with horrible monsters

On the other hand response of TeamN is kinda... strange (for a lack of better terms)
At this point I'm even starting to believe that they are saying these things to generate buzz
Because I don't think that these guys are THAT stupid.

Captcha: miss you
Captcha is again flirting with me :(
What is the most sensitive way to explain captcha that this relationship has no future?
 

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Deathlyphil said:
I want to buy DoA 5 because I like the fighting style.
Huh-uh. And you buy Playboy for the articles, too? ;p
You know as cynical and as trendy that statement has been for about a decade now...the reality was pretty much this.

You actually did read playboy for the entire magazine. It was PENTHOUSE and HUSTLER that actually were the ones you just got for the porn. Playboy believe it or not while certainly the magazine for men did actually focus a lot on style and design for men to get women and improve their home life.
 
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Andy of Comix Inc said:
These are the kind of issues I'd like to see being dug much deeper into. The Dead or Alive series creeps a lot of people out, but it can't just be the alien breasts. There's something more to it - something sinister - something about the way Team Ninja treats women in their games in general. It's beyond aesthetic, it's beyond fetishization and sexualization, there's something in the way they do it that stinks. In fact, I'd condone someone writing an essay on this subject.

There's something very, very wrong with Team Ninja.

josh4president said:
Could be worse

They could be those rigid fake breasts that do not move no matter what you do to them

You know, the ones that seem to follow you around the room no matter where you go
Are you sure they're not your own?
Side note: is Team Ninja involved in the Soul Calibur series too? I'm a straight, red-blooded man, but even I find the level of sexualization in those games' women almost insulting and blatantly pandering. Their ads seem to say "BOOBS! Now that we have your attention, buy our game featuring garish costumes on comically unproportioned women and laughably oversized weapons that don't draw a drop of blood! Because unlike SOME Game developers, we're not savages!"
No, Soul Calibur is Namco-Bandai. Personally, Soul Calibur never bothered me in this respect, since ridiculously designed characters and weapons seems to be the point.

When you have characters like this



in the game, I really don't think being realistic is what they're trying to do. I can see how people are put off by it though and don't begrudge anyone who doesn't like it. Also, that ad where they just showed a picture of boobs was just stupid. What they should have done is release that in addition with an ad showcasing Voldo's codpiece. At least then they'd seem like they were just dicking around and recognizing their craziness instead of outright pandering.
 

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What children?
You can create a digital representation of a child, check age 18 in its biography box or whatever, but it still looks like a child. Feel free to pretend otherwise to alleviate your post-masturbatory guilt, however.

Xan Krieger said:
Speaking as a 22 year old straight male whose never seen naked breasts in real life I thank Team Ninja for doing what they do.
This, however, THIS I can respect.



Also, a general question: If DoA is such a SRIOUS FIGHTING GAME, why the voyeuristic camera function? (Pro-tip: if you think it's for watching replays of the fights to fine tune your technique, you're wrong)
 

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I watched a few episodes of High School of the Dead. I spent the whole time telling myself to be ashamed of how much I sort-of-kind-of enjoyed it in all its awfulness.
If you want a decent justification :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDii4knbtL8
It explores some mildly interesting concepts, aside from strange giggle physics.
 

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I want to buy DoA 5 because I like the fighting style. But I know that the first reaction anyone who seems me playing it will be, "you bought this for the boobs, didn't you?".

Team Ninja, please stop doing this so I can buy your games again.
This is how I feel about the series now.
 

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Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

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to be fair the mangaka of that series basically did say "yes we are making a perverted series for 15 year olds." Though the manga didn't have the bullet time part to it.
 

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Personally, I find the obsession with breasts as a sex symbol to be unsettling, immature and pointless. For starters, breasts are a motherly thing, so basically our whole culture is obsessed with fucking mothers. Very Freudian.
But more than that, why are breasts the only thing that is sexy? Why not try focusing on something that bespeaks of the individuality of the character, like, say, the face? Oh, right, because we don't really want individual characters here. We're just looking for a sex-object, ergo we focus on something that isn't capable of talking back.
I just read about this.

See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-young-phd/breasts_b_1910401.html

Basically it's about bonding. Men instinctively exploit the same stimuli that cause a mother to bond with her baby. So it's entirely natural to go nuts for boobs.

captcha: fair and square. Even the captcha agrees. Can't argue with that.
 

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And now I remember this one Gamer comic where someone depicted the situation as something like this...

DOA Girl 1: Ahh, my breasts! what are they doing?!
DOA Girl 2: THEY HAVE A MIND OF THEIR OWN!
*One of the girls Breasts tears off and flies into the air*
DOA Boob: I'm Free!
*DOA Boob continues into space*
...Now if only I knew where I saw that...
 

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I'm surprised Team Ninja didn't put the sentient silicone in Samus during the other M.
Didn't stop Metroid other M from being an exercise in how NOT to to depict Samus. I'm still trying to figure out just who gets the lion's share of the blame for that mess.
 

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This video reminds me why I stick to the shallow end of Japan's weirdness. Mildly weird..sure sprinkle alittle here and there and it's still fun. You go far enough ...you go into things I rather not delve into. At some point I actually start feelign embaressed for whomever made it. That's when you've gone too far off the rails.

The statement that being creepy is cool in our culture and everyone else should back off bothers me. I doubt it's true that mainstream japan is absolutely ok with all that notion as I know there's still plenty of ultra conservative old school japan people out there too. That said as a disclaimer if younger japanese men were all wired to the expectation of that mindset, If ear for the girls of their country if that were true. Ultimately I haven't been there and try to refrain from making sweeping generalizations. I will dismiss as one asshat's defense for being a perv than toss a whole nations values under a bust....I mean bus.
 

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Glad to see that SOMEBODY besides me likes New!Dante.

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Didn't stop Metroid other M from being an exercise in how NOT to to depict Samus. I'm still trying to figure out just who gets the lion's share of the blame for that mess.
Almost all of the problems with Other M can be traced directly back to Sakamoto.
 

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Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
That is either the single greatest or single worst thing I have ever seen...possibly both in some impossible but possible way.
 

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
These are the kind of issues I'd like to see being dug much deeper into. The Dead or Alive series creeps a lot of people out, but it can't just be the alien breasts. There's something more to it - something sinister - something about the way Team Ninja treats women in their games in general. It's beyond aesthetic, it's beyond fetishization and sexualization, there's something in the way they do it that stinks. In fact, I'd condone someone writing an essay on this subject.

There's something very, very wrong with Team Ninja.
As the Game Overthinker stated in "I heart Bayanetta" (episode 32) the head to body proportions of the "woman" in _Dead and Alive_ are for a lack of a better term "off" so you are already going into the Uncanny Valley. Throw in the breast physics and you are on the bullet train to Uncanny Valley Central.

To be fair to Team Ninja take a good hard look at nearly any adult female character that comes out of Japan and you will see the huge tracks of land on them. Heck even Ranma in his female form is sporting a C to D. The running gag through out the Slayers anime series and prequels is that Lina Inverse has small breasts and blows her top (followed by much of the landscape) when somebody points this out.


Team Ninja is a symptom of a much larger problem and it is not just in Japan either. Pick up about any American comic book and you quickly run into what is jokingly call the helium breast implant. Australia even has a law on the books forbidding woman with breasts "too small" from being shown nude under the guise of it supporting under age porn; I guess Baum was right--the Scarecrow (man without a brain) is truly ruling Oz (nickname for Australia).

The problem is not with Team Ninja but with our own messed up in the head attitudes regarding sexuality.
 

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I think fantasy Willem Dafoe likes it inside that fleshlight...
LOL I'm so glad this was the first comment. I was thinking something along these lines!
 

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I watched a few episodes of High School of the Dead. I spent the whole time telling myself to be ashamed of how much I sort-of-kind-of enjoyed it in all its awfulness.
I'll be honest. I watched it, and I enjoyed every second of it.

The boobs in DOA though, yeah no... I didn't enjoy that. I was captivated by their movement sure, but the entire time I was thinking "BOOBS DON'T MOVE LIKE THAT!!!!"
 

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This is rather tasteless advertising to an almost pediphile degree, because those people look like 12-14 year old kids/teenagers.

If that's someones fetish, doesn't that belong in an adult sex game ? Perhaps it's just too close to real people in some regards while pushing forward ridiculous cartoon breast fetishes.

I do find this combination of "look at those fuckable teenagers" with cartoonishly fake breasts creepy.

Good one Jim. Nasty subject with a few good laughs makes it easier to talk about it.
 

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Well Jim, thank you, you have made my day by making me laugh so much :D

And boobs just don't work that way. It's so weird. They just do not work that way.
 

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If people were really that opposed to it the games wouldn't sell.

Yet they do. Simple economics dictate, and especially in times where both your industry is contracting and the market is plateauing, that you go where the money is.

I think the bigger question is whether or not we can distinguish between unnatural fantasies and actual reality, because this is by no means the first time we've been presented with unrealistic representations of humans.
 

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I've never played a DoA title and I will probably continue in that tradition, now that I have a hard-on for grand-strategy games... But I don't understand why all the laments about the big wobbly boobs in Japanese games.

Seriously guys, Japan has been spewing some really crazy shit over the years. I use to love animes during the 90's and early 2000's but I can't look at the new ones anymore. I've had my fair share of hentai, I've never enjoyed it but I could understand people who did, I even saw a few as "artistic". But the new ones are just... wtf?! I don't like to stereotype japanese people as being perverted and crazy. But their perverted and crazy ones are more perverted and crazier than any other country has to offer.

So excuse me if having big wobbly breasts in a fighting game doesn't seem the end of the world to me. At least they're honest about it. Plus, big breasts are what DoA is all about. If I were a fan, I'd be pretty pissed about normal breasts in DoA 4 too. I'm amazed at the nerve of us westerners. How dare we complain about sexualization in other cultures, when our TV shows contain more sex than a mild hentai? Big Bang Theory has 99% sex jokes and 1% geek jokes? How the heck did that happen?! Unrealistic polygon boobs are nothing compared to that.
 

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I just wish people would say what it is, porn. I have no judgement over what people find kinky as its a fetish and you can't really help it. If people get off to DoA then fine just stop making excuses, I saw the film, if its anything like the games then its story is about as good as a porn so why not just treat it as such. I reeeeeeeeally wish that an all male patch would come out... although all the guys would look and act the same... thinking about it even by ecchi standards DoA's fairly pants, theres no variety... wheres the Korra's and the Marcelines, personality goes a long way Team Ninja.
 

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There needs not be any "justification" for boobs, they're fucking boobs, why should they justify it to you, who exactly do you think you are? And why would they need an "excuse"?

And yes, Japanese culture is different and they won't let western feminists trample them into changing their views on these subjects, if anything it has to come from within. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it.
 

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I can not believe that I get a third thread to post this in, but here we go:

Team Ninja should just go ahead and be completely open.
I can see the press release now:
"We at Team Ninja have decided to finally come forth on a matter that has riled humanity as a whole and nearly started World War V, a War so badass that it would have skipped right over III and IV. Our stance on the breasts of our female characters. Earlier, we claimed, that these breasts were designed to appeal to a mature gamer audience that appreciates the shape of the female body in a classy, artsy way. We also made the claim, that these designs sprang from roots deeply engrained in our culture. However, these statements were not completely accurate.
The honest truth is: We like boobies. Milkbags, Melons, Knockers, Mammaries, Assets, Bazookas, whatever you want to call them, we like them. And I personally appreciate breasts in all sizes and shapes, but our lead designer has a thing for gargantuan jigglypuffs which is why he decided to make every jellybonker of such huge proportions, that, by right, they should have their own gravitational pull, and, in fact, if you manage to get an apple into the game and throw it at a female characters bristols, it will orbit around them.
Again, I am not opposed to having smaller breasts in games, but we wanted to see how far we could push it before everyone would cry out against us. We coded parts of the game so that every chesticle would be individually moved by it's own physics engine and we enjoyed that, not because these bouncing bazongas aroused us, but because it gave us a sense of boyish glee to push the envelope of kahunas in games even further.
In short, we did it, because we, at Team Ninja, fully subscribe to the notion of liking sweater puppies and we shall not apologize for that.
We are deeply sorry however, about the civil wars we caused in some parts of the world, where gamers and non-gamers alike took to weapons over this issue. Tis tragic, that something as beatuiful and wondrous as female breasts would incite such violence. Our hearts are with the families of the fallen.
Now if you will excuse me, I have to go, I am in dire need of a good HUBBALUBBALUBBA.
 

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Anyway, complaining about this is pointless. A developer has their own style you might not agree with so let them be.
Did you miss half the episode? A good chunk of Jim's point was the fact that they were trying to do everything but take responsibility for their own "style."
 

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It just screamed of pedophilia and I assume from their looks either those are either under aged girls or at-least meant to look like such.
I think that's part of the "it's just our culture" argument, since Japan has a proud history of sexualising children.
 

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I think it is fair to blame it on culture and the customers. The customers buy the games with the helium balloons so that is what is made. At the end of the day they still make the plastic ladies but without a demand there is not supply. As for the culture. Well not that I have seen hentai but whenever the women moves her nipples always trace a heart shape and come back to the center. Repeatedly and always to same path so it might as well be a short giff. So it does seem like a culture thing.
 

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Gah! Now I see what all the fuss is about, and it is goddamn frightening.

Don't get me wrong: I love boobs. Probably significantly more than my fellow man (like, even if that fellow man is on the internet). And those, my good sirs and ladies, are absolutely not boobs. Those are sentient malevolent water balloons. And yes they are on apparently underage girls. As a wiser person than myself once said, "Do not want."
 

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Wow, I heard but these games but never really seen anything about them and never played them.
I found the footage to be disturbing. It just screamed of pedophilia and I assume from their looks either those are either under aged girls or at-least meant to look like such.

I find the guys response appalling too, to say it is a culture thing. How terrible is that to throw your entire people under the bus in a attempt to justify your own behaviors? Is his defense really that Japanese people are so deprived of mortality in regards to sex that the entire population is not only okay with but supports pedophilia and has such a twisted view on females? I for one cannot accept his response as factual because I think the Japanese people are better than that.


Can you imagine anyone trying to use this logic on any other topic? In Egypt a few months back a few men stabbed another man to death because he was sitting on a bench with a woman alone. This woman turned out to be the fiance of the man. But should we look at the culture of the people and simply accept it and not expect any justice for the innocent man? Of course not. While these game developers never murdered anyone they still use the same defense and logic to defend their wrong doings.
You need to remember that Japanese women look... well... childish. My flute teacher was a 43 year old Japanese mother who looked like a 20 year old with D cups. Then it's all the school uniforms and the fact that most have smaller breasts than western 16 year olds. Yes, it's a culture, girls actually look like that. But they're used to it. It doesn't trigger pedophilia in them. It does in us tho... or at least it makes us afraid that it would do. If you're an 18 year old 200 pound american, used to seeing 6 foot girls everyday and you go to a japanese highschool, you're gonna have a very weird walk...

And lolicon (lolita imagery) is quite old in Japan. The trick in protecting real children is to paint them as far removed from reality as possible. A G cup on a 9 year old is physically impossible. A japanese dude who reads that stuff will most likely find 18 year olds attractive rather than 9 year olds. Again, it works for them... might be a problem for us. So don't be too quick to judge their "culture".
 

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hickwarrior said:
Anyway, complaining about this is pointless. A developer has their own style you might not agree with so let them be.
Did you miss half the episode? A good chunk of Jim's point was the fact that they were trying to do everything but take responsibility for their own "style."
I guess I wasn't paying attention to that point. Oh well, I guess that happens when I go to bed so late.
 

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hickwarrior said:
Anyway, complaining about this is pointless. A developer has their own style you might not agree with so let them be.
Did you miss half the episode? A good chunk of Jim's point was the fact that they were trying to do everything but take responsibility for their own "style."
Where the eff do you people come from? "Take responsibility"? Responsibility for what, a design choice in a game appealing to a certain target audience? They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people. They made a product that may not appeal to you, wtf do they need to take "responsibility" for? Does Nintendo need to take responsibility for using an Italian plumber as a video game character? RockStar for displaying the life of gansters in their games? RARE for talking animals in their videogames?

Regarding the "culture" thing, it's apparently easy for people from the US (or generally the west) to fall back on that and call it "reprehensible" or whatever, but do they give a shit about what for instance Arabic or Indian people think when they produce entertainment products? Are they sensitive about Islamic people for instance not wanting to see the female form displayed in the way it is?
I actually remember a recent movie made in the US that actually got a large amount of people killed and caused riots: http://gawker.com/5942651/the-filmmaker-who-made-the-anti+islam-video-that-sparked-violent-mideast-protests-is-a-ghost and it's still protected by "freedom of speech" (because other cultures are apparently all stupid, and the US can do as it pleases), but people are taking an issue over this and demand them to take "responsibility" despite the easy solution of just not buying it and it not harming anyone?
And why did he only use footage from a game that came out in 2006, 6 years ago instead of the actually relevant one that came out just now during this entire video?

This level of hypocrisy seriously pisses me off, and I didn't even buy a single DoA game since I don't own a console.
 

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I never understood the "children" part of the insults to DoA.

Apparently people don't realize the youngest female character in the game is 16 (Ayane), which is perfectly acceptable (and legal) in Japan.

Thats not a child.
 

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I just wish these developers would realize there are other fetishes than just huge tits and young-looking women.

Do you have any idea how excited I was when Juri was announced for SSFIV? And Ibuki and Makoto? and Elena and Christie in SFxT, as well as Asuka's alt costume?

Do you see the common thread there?
 

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FYI, I fully admit that today's episode is ridiculous and pointless. It was, however, incredible fun to record and edit. Hopefully it's fun for you to watch. <3
It was hilarious, but I just don't get your argument. Whats the difference between people getting off to those other things but not to the DoA girls with their sentient breasts? I understand the parts about Team Ninja casting the blame on other people, totally agree on that part, but the sex issue, I'm having trouble coming up with a real difference.
 

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I never understood the "children" part of the insults to DoA.

Apparently people don't realize the youngest female character in the game is 16 (Ayane), which is perfectly acceptable (and legal) in Japan.

Thats not a child.
Applying a number to a character does not automatically make them that age in the eyes of the viewer.

Our perception of age is based upon appearance, and if all the characters appear younger than they actually are, and are being shown off in a sexual way.


It's just a bit odd really.

Not directly saying "They're kids", but, I'm just telling you how people could see it that way.
 

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Dexter111 said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
hickwarrior said:
Anyway, complaining about this is pointless. A developer has their own style you might not agree with so let them be.
Did you miss half the episode? A good chunk of Jim's point was the fact that they were trying to do everything but take responsibility for their own "style."
Where the eff do you people come from? "Take responsibility"? Responsibility for what, a design choice in a game appealing to a certain target audience? They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people. They made a product that may not appeal to you, wtf do they need to take "responsibility" for?

Regarding the "culture" thing, it's apparently easy for people from the US (or generally the west) to fall back on that and call it "reprehensible" or whatever, but do they give a shit about what for instance Arabic or Indian people think when they produce entertainment products? Are they sensitive about Islamic people for instance not wanting to see the female form displayed in the way it is?
I actually remember a recent movie made in the US that actually got a large amount of people killed: http://gawker.com/5942651/the-filmmaker-who-made-the-anti+islam-video-that-sparked-violent-mideast-protests-is-a-ghost and it's still protected by "freedom of speech", but people are taking an issue over this and demand them to take "responsibility"?
This level of hypocrisy seriously pisses me off.
Maybe you wouldn't be pissed off if you weren't put words into his mouth, then thinking he said them.

"They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people." Who the hell said they did? Why the hell did you bring this up? What point could you have possibly been making that you would need this type of comparison? The point that they do need to take responsibility for is they need to look at faults in the game, and admit that it was their fault, not the audience's fault that it's there.

I imagine films made in the US that would be offensive in other countries are simply not shown in other countries, or they are altered.

Then you are bringing up the story of the other film, WHY are you blaming the person who made the video and not the murderers? WHY are you lumping people in this comments section in with that trailer? It is not hypocrisy to demand a change to something if you are the market and they are trying to get you to buy their product, NOBODY before you brought up that trailer, it would only be hypocrisy if they defend that trailer, and then agree with Jim.
 

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I've never played a DoA title and I will probably continue in that tradition, now that I have a hard-on for grand-strategy games... But I don't understand why all the laments about the big wobbly boobs in Japanese games.

Seriously guys, Japan has been spewing some really crazy shit over the years. I use to love animes during the 90's and early 2000's but I can't look at the new ones anymore. I've had my fair share of hentai, I've never enjoyed it but I could understand people who did, I even saw a few as "artistic". But the new ones are just... wtf?! I don't like to stereotype japanese people as being perverted and crazy. But their perverted and crazy ones are more perverted and crazier than any other country has to offer.

So excuse me if having big wobbly breasts in a fighting game doesn't seem the end of the world to me. At least they're honest about it. Plus, big breasts are what DoA is all about. If I were a fan, I'd be pretty pissed about normal breasts in DoA 4 too. I'm amazed at the nerve of us westerners. How dare we complain about sexualization in other cultures, when our TV shows contain more sex than a mild hentai? Big Bang Theory has 99% sex jokes and 1% geek jokes? How the heck did that happen?! Unrealistic polygon boobs are nothing compared to that.
No kidding. For me, the breaking point was Seikon no Qwaser, where the heroes get the power to manipulate the chemical elements at will by drinking magic breast milk. Straight from the tap.

Guys, you know, you can just make porn if you want to. Nobody's going to stop you. But you can't expect to structure your narrative around drinking magic breast milk and expect us to take you seriously. Not gonna happen.
 

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Urgh. Jim is looking for something to complain about, and this wasn't worth the time. There was very little to it apart from shouting his own disgust.

You can say the Japanese should not act according to their culture, they should act according to a western progressive culture, but it is just an attempt to browbeat difference to force it to accord with your values. I didn't think you would be akin to a western imperialist Jim, but when people are offended such ideas of controlling the deviant really come out. They have a place they are coming from, accept it and move on.

Suck it up, it is Japan, they do this a lot in their pop culture. If we forced them to change, we would be pushing more towards sameness wouldn't we?
 

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Where the eff do you people come from? "Take responsibility"? Responsibility for what, a design choice in a game appealing to a certain target audience? They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people.
Yay! False dichotomy for the win!

Seriously? You have children take responsibility for things they do, but it's okay for Team Ninja to pretend it's everyone else's fault because they didn't "cause the holocaust?"
 

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I never understood the "children" part of the insults to DoA.

Apparently people don't realize the youngest female character in the game is 16 (Ayane), which is perfectly acceptable (and legal) in Japan.

Thats not a child.
Yep. And the white haired assassin woman is certainly not a child character.
 

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You know what grinds my gears? When I read a manga, or watch an anime, and I see a girl, claiming to be15, or 13 or (God help us) 11, and they definitely do NOT look like they're that age! Even worse when the artist goes to certain lengths to get a good look at her "figure". If anyone who lives in Japan is reading this, could you work to, maybe, STOP this trend or something?
americans will have to stop first

have you watched an america movie/comic book/ video game

attractive and white
 

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karamazovnew said:
No kidding. For me, the breaking point was Seikon no Qwaser, where the heroes get the power to manipulate the chemical elements at will by drinking magic breast milk. Straight from the tap.
I freaking love that show.

The creator obviously gives 0 fucks about anything.
 

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"They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people." Who the hell said they did? Why the hell did you bring this up? What point could you have possibly been making that you would need this type of comparison? The point that they do need to take responsibility for is they need to look at faults in the game, and admit that it was their fault, not the audience's fault that it's there.
Saying that they "need to take responsibility" for something implies that they did something wrong, which they didn't. Their audience seems quite happy with their games and doesn't seem to regard it as a fault. I am not sure what fault you want them to admit to?
There were 11 different "Dead or Alive" titles since 1996 according to Wikipedia (not including additional editions, DLC etc.) and the series seems to still be going strong.

Maybe the "fault" is with the audience of people not buying the game, but demanding it to change so it caters to them or doesn't "offend" them?

I imagine films made in the US that would be offensive in other countries are simply not shown in other countries, or they are altered.
You would imagine wrong, you are also on the Internet, which people have access to worldwide (well, mostly).

Then you are bringing up the story of the other film, WHY are you blaming the person who made the video and not the murderers? WHY are you lumping people in this comments section in with that trailer? It is not hypocrisy to demand a change to something if you are the market and they are trying to get you to buy their product, NOBODY before you brought up that trailer, it would only be hypocrisy if they defend that trailer, and then agree with Jim.
Well, gee, thanks for (somewhat, cursory) getting my point. Why are people blaming Team Ninja exactly and what for? Were there great boob-outrage riots somewhere that I missed? And how does the "culture defense" not apply for them (yes, Japanese culture is different from American/European one), but whenever the US does something which pisses off an entire culture and a lot of people are taking a lot more serious it does? (Example: YOU and the first sentence you said)

Zachary Amaranth said:
Yay! False dichotomy for the win!

Seriously? You have children take responsibility for things they do, but it's okay for Team Ninja to pretend it's everyone else's fault because they didn't "cause the holocaust?"
Take responsibility for WHAT? Offending a few thousand people, who wouldn't buy their game anyway? Is that against the law? Making a product/franchise that sells well to millions and spans over 11 titles? What exactly did they do wrong that they need to "take responsibility" for? That's exactly what I'm asking.
 

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Yay! False dichotomy for the win!

Seriously? You have children take responsibility for things they do, but it's okay for Team Ninja to pretend it's everyone else's fault because they didn't "cause the holocaust?"
...What holocaust?
I see no goddamn holocaust, other than a few people bickering in 1 thread.

DoA5 WILL sell well. The fake breast physics aren't going to stop, or even hinder the sales. The game will ultimately be judged on it's fighting mechanics, the criticism of fake/unrealistic boobs will be tossed aside.

Jim, and other people in this thread - you can get mad, angry and rage at the teens with monster-fake tits that jiggle unrealistically. You can throw all your rage in Team Ninja.
And Team Ninja will then proceed to chuck your rage into a wastepaper basket and continue to do whatever they do to keep selling their games.

Have fun.
 

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Wait.

If Team Ninja outright said they have a tit fetish, wouldnt that be bad PR?
I believe Itagaki himself said something akin to that in an interview several years back. Don't quote me on that however; lemme see if I can find the interview featured on DoA2U...

Here we go. I'm pretty sure this is the one.


OT: Yet another reason why many, myself included, laud DoA3 as the best in the series. Speaking purely about the breast physics, sure, while the sizes and shapes themselves were a little exaggerated, the actual movements were subtle and somewhat natural (I guess... it's been a while). Either way, the breasts didn't move like a pair of water balloons on a see-saw like in some of the more recent DoA games.

At least things haven't gotten as ridiculous as some of the lady-type characters in the Soul Calibur series, with Sophitia being the worst offender...

http://ogiuemaniax.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/sophitia_comparison.jpg

Addendum: Don't get me wrong, I love DoA; it's my favorite 3D fighter series next to Soul Calibur. And don't get me wrong further, I love breasts as much as the next guy (or gal); hell, Queen's Blade is one of my favorite anime (Elina and Tomoe all day). But having breasts that jiggle like a bowl of gelatin during an earthquake is a little unnerving.

Addendum addendum: I mean... just a little.
 

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I watched a few episodes of High School of the Dead. I spent the whole time telling myself to be ashamed of how much I sort-of-kind-of enjoyed it in all its awfulness.
Did you ever try Hellsing? It's like that tits scene, but on the violence side of the crazy coin.
Manga, original anime or Ultimate, just to know if you mean crazy or Nazi hiding on the dark side of a Giant Star Turtle crazy ?
 

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You're totally free to criticize these games and what they represent,
but in the end it's their buying audience who'll determine whether it stays around.

While personally I'm not a fan of fighting games, I do enjoy over-the-top CG characters and scenarios.
I don't want my entertainment to be utterly constricted by realism and real life.

Much of the purpose of entertainment (in all forms) is to take us away from the world we inhabit, showing us glimpses of far-fetched ideas.
Whether it's Harry Potter universe, Mass Effect, or CG porn.

Lastly, we should probably judge our own culture before shitting on others, the west has plenty of 'issues' to work through after all.
 

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It would't be such a issue if they themselves weren't so pushing it. I knew everything what I needed to know of Team Ninja when they essentially said that there 'big feature' was the jiggle physics of the breasts of female character. The commercial that was showed in video really shows how they see it, or how at least the publisher sees it. "We have huge tits with physics on this 14 year old girl, isn't that hot?" No, it isn't and you certainly can't pull the 'cultural' card here. The game is also (and maybe even mainly) created for a western audience, so you are not supplying your own 'culture'.
 

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Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

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I cackled like a mad scientist discovering pop rocks.

I have no problem with buxom women. Most of the human species, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation, most of US EVERYWHERE, love and revere breasts. They are delightful, they are beautiful they are not balloons in a wind tunnel. That's the difference. I'm not sure about this children's body thing was on bout, but the women of dead or alive and their demonically possessed mammary glands are a great example of wanting one thing (titillation, sex appeal) and getting something else (freak show clown-breasts). I've always had an issue with this. I played Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 (I use "played" loosely as this isn't much of a game at all) and was put off by it's lackluster execution. The hands and feet didn't articulate at all, and the faces wee frozen and scarier than anything I'd ever encountered in Silent hill. Does this mean I hate sex in games? Not at all, hell I welcome it as much as I would in movies or television as long as it is somehow meaningfully executed.

The issue with their breasts are the worst offenders of all. Tipping their head to one side or moving a hand would result in a violent breast revolt, as if they were literally attempting to free themselves from these women and escape earth's gravity. The new Dead or Alive game does indeed look better from what little I have seen, their women no longer look like strange anime mannequins, I just hope they realize bigger isn't always better (nothing wrong with big, humble, and all in between), and lifelike, if sex is their goal, would probably mean less silly-putty physics.
 

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I guess I'm a sexual deviant, then. Not that that's any surprise, really. In fact, I've known it for a long time. That may not be the way breasts work in real life, but I'm sure as hell going to enjoy them in all of their fake, fantastic, imagined, unreal glory. I'm not particularly fond of real women, anyway.

Still an entertaining episode, though. Jim, you're a funny guy, even if I don't share your views.
 
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Jimothy Sterling said:
Belated said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
Belated said:
First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.
A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!
A) Fair enough.
B) Actually in this case, yes it is. It's wrong to rag on people for something they can't help. If it's harming nobody, and it's not a choice, then all you're doing is spreading unwarranted hatred. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.389418-Dead-or-Alive-5-Director-A-Lot-of-Fans-Want-Bigger-Breasts?page=7#15641671]
C) Oh I'm looking at them all right. And don't make me laugh. Those girls aren't kids. You're a kid until you're 13. Then you're a teenager until you're 20. For some reason at some point somebody decided that 18 is the cutoff number for pedophilia. If, God forbid, a 17 or 16 year old girl should blossom early, and you DARE find her attractive, you're somehow a sick person. I don't think I need to explain why this concept is stupid.
D) Still looking. Fetishist pride, baby! We're here, we're weird, get used to it.
B) You're arguing now that it's WRONG. Not that it's hypocritical.
C) They have the faces of porcelain children.
Most Japanese woman look younger than they actually are so eh it's not a big surprise to me. Another thing I thought of why they use over the top physics on breast is well "pardon me for saying this since it might be sexist in nature", the Japanese woman are not well endowed if you catch my drift. So basically they don't have any thing that decent in terms of breast "from the amount of Asian porn I've watched anyways aside from J-cup specials >__>" Ahem basically I'm saying they are not a diverse group of people like us with a wide range of variety of breast sizes. If this post is found in an-way offensive or sexist I'm truly sorry but this just my honest opinion on the issue.
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It would't be such a issue if they themselves weren't so pushing it. I knew everything what I needed to know of Team Ninja when they essentially said that there 'big feature' was the jiggle physics of the breasts of female character. The commercial that was showed in video really shows how they see it, or how at least the publisher sees it. "We have huge tits with physics on this 14 year old girl, isn't that hot?" No, it isn't and you certainly can't pull the 'cultural' card here. The game is also (and maybe even mainly) created for a western audience, so you are not supplying your own 'culture'.
No one in DoA is under the age of 18 expect for kasumi who is 17 and japan's law on AOC is 16 so there not breaking any laws.. okay I'm done defending them, it took all I had to just do this post.
 

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all i know is as a girl, if my boobs moved the way they do in DOA i'd try to remove them because they would be annoying as hell.
 

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First of all, it's a bit weird amidst all the serious topics Jim takes on to lend his time to something like this. Ok, it was for the lulz, but it's really a non-issue.

Opening up with a hypocritical statement, despite being a jab at humor at people with fetishes, still washes the argument straight down the drain. People are against it, but still enough like it that the game sells, it's what they like, simple as that, screw all the shit about culture or whatever have you. It's borderline paedophelia, fine, but there's much worse going on around the world in terms of legal, even encouraged paedophilia and sex trade that jack shit is being done to stop. I'm more glad if people with closet inhibitions actually have some sort of outlet.

Accept it for what it is, there's a lot of shit that bothers people happening everyday, new music, fashion, mentalities, you can't go and dictate what people should and shouldn't like, otherwise we'd still be dressed like cavemen or listening to Mozart, and one mention against something like skinny jeans would stop that fad dead in its tracks. And don't even talk about "realism" in a "fantasy" game, c'mon people if there were purple-skinned zebra men fighting in this game no one would even bat an eyelid.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

This week, Jim has something he'd like to get off his chest.

Watch Video
So, Jim, where does Tekken sit on this scale?


I'll agree wholeheartedly that the press statement Team Ninja released should simply have read:

"Dear Everyone,

We like big tits. Fuckin' deal.

Sincerely,

Team Ninja"

Crass, certainly, honest, absolutely.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
Cecilthedarkknight_234 said:
Cecilthedarkknight_234 said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
Belated said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
Belated said:
No one in DoA is under the age of 18 expect for kasumi who is 17 and japan's law on AOC is 16 so there not breaking any laws.. okay I'm done defending them, it took all I had to just do this post.
Ah, I remember those times. When E3 and the games industry gave exactly 0 fucks about being PC, and E3 was actually something to look forward to and devs did what they wanted.

Ayane is actually 16 - being Kasumi's younger sister. I think Kokoro might be 16 too.
 

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Silly Jim Sterling. Don't you realize?

The Dead or Alive universe has a lower gravitational pull than our earth, allowing for boobs to flop like that!

IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THAT!
 

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Was I the only one expecting Jim's closing remark to Willem Dafoe to be something along the lines of "Do... do you have an erection?!"

Followup question: Did you ever manage to take Miniature Fantasy Willem Dafoe (now with Kung Fu Grip, batteries not included) to the zoo?
 

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Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
Can I never enter a thread without seing this video posted? Oo

Though now that I've seen clips from DOA thanks to Jim (thank God for Him), I can imagine at least one group of people that find bullet-dodging breasts perfectly realistic... I've had mine for years, and they have never EVER moved about on their own... They also tend to fall a lot more heavily than they seem to do in DOA, where they have this unnatural slow-mo quality to them, while the rest of the body moves at normal speed.

It does appear to have been made by people with little understanding of 'breast physics', or physics in general. Episode was funny though!
 

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Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
Is it bad I find that hilarious?

Then again, I find anything that doesn't follow any sort of coherent thought hilarious.

On topic, I can understand why breast physics don't work. Boob physics is just like body fat physics, its just outside our tech's grasp for the foreseeable future. You might as well accept that's the best we're ever going to get in the body department.

I know only one person who ever made actually realistic physics on a body, and he is unfortunately dead and only made a VERY short video (less than 30 seconds).
 

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So, Jim what's it like to fuck a fleshlight?

I hear it's like fucking a flashlight.
 

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Wait.

If Team Ninja outright said they have a tit fetish, wouldnt that be bad PR?
I believe Itagaki himself said something akin to that in an interview several years back. Don't quote me on that however; lemme see if I can find the interview featured on DoA2U...

Here we go. I'm pretty sure this is the one.


OT: Yet another reason why many, myself included, laud DoA3 as the best in the series. Speaking purely about the breast physics, sure, while the sizes and shapes themselves were a little exaggerated, the actual movements were subtle and somewhat natural (I guess... it's been a while). Either way, the breasts didn't move like a pair of water balloons on a see-saw like in some of the more recent DoA games.

At least things haven't gotten as ridiculous as some of the lady-type characters in the Soul Calibur series, with Sophitia being the worst offender...

http://ogiuemaniax.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/sophitia_comparison.jpg

Addendum: Don't get me wrong, I love DoA; it's my favorite 3D fighter series next to Soul Calibur. And don't get me wrong further, I love breasts as much as the next guy (or gal); hell, Queen's Blade is one of my favorite anime (Elina and Tomoe all day). But having breasts that jiggle like a bowl of gelatin during an earthquake is a little unnerving.

Addendum addendum: I mean... just a little.
Ya know I actually sat down and watched the whole thing and I noticed one key part that was translated in the interview.

"If the developers are so skilled at making nude hacks(for DOAX volleyball) they should use their talents in better ways. I understand that they would want to see the characters naked but if they do that they should be embarrassed".

That right there demonstrates that along with the rest of the episode that Itagaki cares more about entertainment that involves sexuality rather than what everyone here shaming the franchise that has been with us for over 15 years. The DOA franchise is about making the best game possible and utilized something that would also be able to hook people from the outset. The women of DOA were certainly that hook but the game wouldn't of been successful if it wasn't a good game with good characters. Tecmo delivered that in spades where you would actually like the characters and understand that characters had conflict.

That was a good video to watch and people should understand that if DOA is really some monster that should be exiled from the video game industry then your priorities have stopped where you have video games as a hobby but instead an overzealous consumer whose complaints equal to that of the religious right trying to control a product that you have no investment or control of. You need to remind yourself that video games don't have to reflect reality and your expectations as a consumer for realism is only you demonstrating your ineptitude as a consumer as you demand for games to be fun and imaginative but the second you see a game that just wants to be entertaining with a little bit of sexuality you demand for that realism to take precedence over anything else. Having games as a hobby means that you should be looking forward to a developers work, not backseat driving demanding changes like you are one of the head programmers.

This insane demand for realism has really got to stop from the consumer side because in the video game industry's pursuit for more realistic graphics it has come to a point where the consumer demand for this realism in video games has started to hurt the video game industry because it should be treated as an ART STYLE and not the goal.

EDIT: also my favorite character to play in the series is Jann-Lee.
 

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I actually prefer it when women where more clothes, leaves a bit more to the imagination if you ask me. ;)
 

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What children?
You can create a digital representation of a child, check age 18 in its biography box or whatever, but it still looks like a child. Feel free to pretend otherwise to alleviate your post-masturbatory guilt, however.
Oh, I disagree with you so I must masturbate to video games. Great to see the high level of debate is being kept alive on the Escapist forums.

I have never played the game but none of the women in the videos that have been played looking anything like a child. I am fully aware that some anime does the whole "draw an obviously young child, claim she is 18" thing but no one in any of the videos shown looked like that.
 

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The message I'm getting here is "make boobs in games more realistic." I support this position. If you're going to have big boobs in a game, they must flop around in a realistic believable fashion.
 

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I guess I'm a sexual deviant, then. Not that that's any surprise, really. In fact, I've known it for a long time. That may not be the way breasts work in real life, but I'm sure as hell going to enjoy them in all of their fake, fantastic, imagined, unreal glory. I'm not particularly fond of real women, anyway.

Still an entertaining episode, though. Jim, you're a funny guy, even if I don't share your views.
Are you a misogynist or gay? Or are you simply a teenage boy that has yet to have encountered a real woman in your life? Or think all women are raging feminazis?

I guess to each their own I suppose, though I should point out that nerd culture is perceived to be the final bastion for misogynists and other men that want nothing to do with women outside of a sexual context. DOA and such games get the attention that they do because they are reminders of that belief.

Though I wanted to bring up the simple point that while real breast don't do that, I suspect that many men wished they did. After all, porn and anything related to it are projections of what the creator (and in turn their fans) wish sex was like, so it isn't hard to believe that there are man that wished boobies were as they are depicted in DOA.

Thank you for confirming that.

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So, Jim what's it like to fuck a fleshlight?

I hear it's like fucking a flashlight.
Basically this. A fleshlight is a male sex-toy that is designed to look like a large flashlight for the purpose of digression (like if a wayward kid or spouse stumbled on it). It has a top that twists off revealing a molded impression of usually a pussy or anus of a woman (in fact a marketing point for many of these fleshlights is that these are modeled after famous porn stars).

I gather the one Jim used on the William DeFoe Doll was a smaller version of said device, or merely the fleshlight minus the flashlight-like casing and just the molding.
 

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Ok I've never actually played a Team Ninja game (Metroid Other M doesn't count because I gave up on that before I finished it because it was so bad)

But who cares? There are plenty of other gaming issues that people could spend their time on than this that has been done to death about a decade ago. They want to make boobs that defy gravity; whatever I guess it's no skin off my neck, it's not anything worse than whats in the Witcher 2.

Sounds like Jim is just reaching for a topic this week.
 

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I partly disagree about your comment about culture being an excuse. I agree that no one should have a right to 'complain' if they localize the game and people of another culture find it creepy, but telling them it's wrong?

To be completely honest, I dislike otaku culture and I also find it disturbing. But with that said, it is Japanese culture and, while I find it disturbing, I find that I have to respect it. I will NEVER tell someone that what their culture is wrong. No matter how alien and strange another culture's customs are to me, I will always do my best to respect them. Well... as long as it's not a crime against humanity.


I agree with you on the general topic of this video, though. The fake body of teenage anime girls with bouncing watermelon breasts is really gross to me. I was raised in the United States to think it's wrong, so I do. But in Japan they aren't raised that way and I think it's IMMENSELY rude to tell them that they're wrong because they were raised with different customs.
 

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Have and played DoA5. Will say that the breast physics are not as bad as what is shown in DoAEBV2. I enjoy the way they move, I meant the way the characters react to pain and don't give a single reaction animation for nearly every type of physical hit. I notice those details and love it.

As for the whole, "Big Breasts on Kids." *sigh* Look, whether we like it or not the age of consent is 13+ in Japan, with varying ages per area of course :p. We don't have to approve of it, but at that age the "kids" can have a full time or part time job, you know become responsible adults? I can't say the same thing for "kids" of the West. -_- That is what I believe they may of been saying when they meant "culture". Though I can just be shining it up a bit. Most importantly, the "west" is more okay with sexual consent at the age of 18 regardless of how young the person looks. I am a older woman lover myself, 28+, and when I see a far older man date a 18 year old I feel more disturbed. Just, I can't unsee the baby fat on those teenagers -_-.
 

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I don't agree with Jim on this at all. It's opinions like this that we don't get a lot of good Japanese games. If you don't like it, don't buy it or review it, don't tell Japanese developers how to make a game mainly for their home market. Would you rather have a flat chested "International" version of DOA5? Everyone will try to import the Japanese version while ignoring the international version if that's the case.
 

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As a kid of the 90s, I think Jim isn't condemning the effort, more the execution, I'm surprised he didn't suggest they research some of the most classic boob movements of all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lAQQWpFN8I

If in DOA6 (or whatever the next one is), if they moved like that, I think we'd all be more satisfied.
 

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Pff, you all have obviously NOT seen enough hentai to know what Japanese mean by HUGE tits. Those gals in DoA5? Nah, 'bout average hentai teens to be gangbanged by tentacled aliens.

THIS is what they mean by BIG:
http://www.sailormoonhentaiworld.com/images/hentai--aino-minako--bishoujo-senshi-sailor-moon--blonde-hair--blue-eyes--bow--breast-squeeze--breasts--castella--choker--earrings--hair-bow--huge-breasts--jewelry--long-hair--open-mouth--sailor-venus--smile--solo.jpg
Notice that each breast is "only" as big as the girl head.

And this is what they mean by HUGE.
http://xxxbunker.com/hentai_blonde_with_massive_tits_gets_screwed.jpg
And here each breast is about as big as the girls torso.

I feel kinda ashamed now and I don't even like huge tits. I prefer petite girls!
It's funny, I see people get defensive about these things and say stuff like "It's bad to generalize that all Japanese media is like that." But it's hard not to when it seems to pop up in almost all anime and such.

Take One Piece for example. It's the most popular anime/manga in Japan right now (for good reasons, it really is quite good) but even One Piece gives its female characters ridiculous breast sizes.

I mean look at the character Nami for example:




...This is all for educational purposes of course...
 

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*wibble wibble wibble wibble wibble*
This.

TehMoustache said:
The boobs in DOA though, yeah no... I didn't enjoy that. I was captivated by their movement sure, but the entire time I was thinking "BOOBS DON'T MOVE LIKE THAT!!!!"
Well it's supposed to simulate invisible hands moving them, that's why they move more than "naturally". And as an owner of similar sized attributes, the movement doesn't seem that weird to me if you take into account the pad simulating hands producing the movement.
 

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These are the kind of issues I'd like to see being dug much deeper into. The Dead or Alive series creeps a lot of people out, but it can't just be the alien breasts. There's something more to it - something sinister - something about the way Team Ninja treats women in their games in general. It's beyond aesthetic, it's beyond fetishization and sexualization, there's something in the way they do it that stinks. In fact, I'd condone someone writing an essay on this subject.

There's something very, very wrong with Team Ninja.
As the Game Overthinker stated in "I heart Bayanetta" (episode 32) the head to body proportions of the "woman" in _Dead and Alive_ are for a lack of a better term "off" so you are already going into the Uncanny Valley. Throw in the breast physics and you are on the bullet train to Uncanny Valley Central.

To be fair to Team Ninja take a good hard look at nearly any adult female character that comes out of Japan and you will see the huge tracks of land on them. Heck even Ranma in his female form is sporting a C to D. The running gag through out the Slayers anime series and prequels is that Lina Inverse has small breasts and blows her top (followed by much of the landscape) when somebody points this out.


Team Ninja is a symptom of a much larger problem and it is not just in Japan either. Pick up about any American comic book and you quickly run into what is jokingly call the helium breast implant. Australia even has a law on the books forbidding woman with breasts "too small" from being shown nude under the guise of it supporting under age porn; I guess Baum was right--the Scarecrow (man without a brain) is truly ruling Oz (nickname for Australia).

The problem is not with Team Ninja but with our own messed up in the head attitudes regarding sexuality.
Oh god, I so agree with this. I was replaying Batman: Arkham City and I was really enjoying the male characters and the depth of their mental unrest and the way they reacted and played off each other. Then female characters walked in with giant boobs and ditzy questions like "WAAT'S GOIN ON BAATMAAAAN??!!" ...I think it could just be Paul Dini being the head writer, but it's like... how could you screw up doing women so much? Especially in a game this good - with characterization this detailed for the male characters - how did they manage to barely match it with ANY of the female villains or allies? It's really... really... weird.

Not. Not weird. Wrong. <link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVdEINfm7H4>It's wruung.
 

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...so Team Ninja should devote more resources to make realistic breasts?

Guess they're OK with that.
 

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I never thought it's a big deal. Really. That said, I've always adored Japanese culture.

And yeah, those don't look or move like real tits, but that's the thing that makes it funny.
 

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I never understood the "children" part of the insults to DoA.

Apparently people don't realize the youngest female character in the game is 16 (Ayane), which is perfectly acceptable (and legal) in Japan.

Thats not a child.
Applying a number to a character does not automatically make them that age in the eyes of the viewer.

Our perception of age is based upon appearance, and if all the characters appear younger than they actually are, and are being shown off in a sexual way.


It's just a bit odd really.

Not directly saying "They're kids", but, I'm just telling you how people could see it that way.
Maybe its something to do with Japan? I had a former classmate who was Korean, she looked around 13 even though she was 17. Even when I met her earlier last week (after 3 years) she still looked freakishly young. And judging by some short 10sec japaneese advertisements still stuck in some ripped animevideo's on sites I frequent... thats a rather normal thing for Japan.

Which is, I think (if you remain optimistic) what he meant by 'this is what we do in our culture' a lot of their girls look freakishly young. Or rather, maybe not to them but to us. And as such we see the characters younger than they might appear to the Japaneese viewer..

for the record I've never played dead or alive, so all this stuff is lost on me. I thought it was a tennis-game truth be told.

Although all this is lost when you consider that they marketed this game mainly to a western audience.
 

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I have only found jiggle physics interesting once. I first heard of the notion when playing Aggressive Inline (such an odd relic from my past). I picked a female character and played for about 5 minutes, laughing with my friends the entire time... then, the fun was over.

Also, having never played DOA or been exposed to their cut scenes for more than short promos, I'm actually shocked at how comical and unrealistic the breasts are. Creepy stuff.
i downloaded a skyrim mod that added 'body physics' half the time it didn't work but the rest of the time the breasts, asses and hair of all the females jiggled so-much they bent the Armour textures and looked like they'd cause majour whiplash..
the problem is they have to add bones or meshes to the body and animate them because if they wanted actual fluid dynamics it would break your computer
a degree of subtlety and force falloff would probably help, but i'm no code monkey so ill leave that to the experts

it's simply another example of why they need to add jiggle physics, and physics in general
because we aren't going to get good, consistent physics in games until developers learn that physics is as essential as a floor texture or a character model or any gameplay mechanic

it's the same progression as we have from two dots on a screen that bump into each-other to fully 3d characters that can interact with such detail you can climb over someone and use them as a makeshift ladder to get to an area of a game you couldn't otherwise
( real example, witty wizzard's saints row play-through )

we shouldn't even bother mocking jiggle physics, we should embrace them and then demand they be better and consistent ( and in some cases tasteful )
it's the only way to move gaming forward
 

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"They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people." Who the hell said they did? Why the hell did you bring this up? What point could you have possibly been making that you would need this type of comparison? The point that they do need to take responsibility for is they need to look at faults in the game, and admit that it was their fault, not the audience's fault that it's there.
Saying that they "need to take responsibility" for something implies that they did something wrong, which they didn't. Their audience seems quite happy with their games and doesn't seem to regard it as a fault. I am not sure what fault you want them to admit to?
There were 11 different "Dead or Alive" titles since 1996 according to Wikipedia (not including additional editions, DLC etc.) and the series seems to still be going strong.

Maybe the "fault" is with the audience of people not buying the game, but demanding it to change so it caters to them or doesn't "offend" them?
I was explaining the persons position, I have no idea what faults there are in the games as I have never played them, but saying "the games weren't made for you" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, it reminds me of those people who defend games like Dark Souls or the developer who defended Amy and claimed we didn't "get" the game, and that they were good games, and we were the ones terrible at them.

Aside from that you didn't answer any of the questions I asked you.

I imagine films made in the US that would be offensive in other countries are simply not shown in other countries, or they are altered.
You would imagine wrong, you are also on the Internet, which people have access to worldwide (well, mostly).
My mistake then, in that case I can't defend them.

Then you are bringing up the story of the other film, WHY are you blaming the person who made the video and not the murderers? WHY are you lumping people in this comments section in with that trailer? It is not hypocrisy to demand a change to something if you are the market and they are trying to get you to buy their product, NOBODY before you brought up that trailer, it would only be hypocrisy if they defend that trailer, and then agree with Jim.
Well, gee, thanks for (somewhat, cursory) getting my point. Why are people blaming Team Ninja exactly and what for? Were there great boob-outrage riots somewhere that I missed? And how does the "culture defense" not apply for them (yes, Japanese culture is different from American/European one), but whenever the US does something which pisses off an entire culture and a lot of people are taking a lot more serious it does? (Example: YOU and the first sentence you said)
People blame Team Ninja for putting giant boobs on characters they think are too young to have them, or they think the boobs themselves are too big, that is blaming a designer for something the designer directly DID, not blaming the designer for something the designer inadvertently CAUSED.
Please don't respond to me as if those are points I am trying to make, I am not, as I already stated, I am not a fan of the series, and don't buy their games, though I don't think the culture defence applies and here's why, they make no effort to explain how or why the culture is different, and I don't expect them to give a full course or anything, but even having footnotes or something in the manual would be better than nothing.
Also, I'm Canadian, you don't need to be an American to get pissed off at your first statement (which I still have no idea why you wrote that).
 

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"If you sell you game internationally then you are not allowed to pander to your own culture"
Are you THIS fucking moronic Jim?

Team Ninja doesn't have a "responsibility" to do JACK FUCKING SHIT, buy it, or don't buy it. You don't have the right to make demands.

I've never bought a Dead or Alive game in my fucking life, but seriously Jim, shut the fuck up.

Oh, and I LOVE the part where you go "You aren't allowed to pander to the fans who want the big tits, I'm not a fan, and that clearly means that you have to pander to ME! And I DON'T want big tits.

Jesus fucking Christ. You've made some pretty damn retarded videos during your time on this website, but I think this tops all of them.
 

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Okay Jim, big fan, wanted to rewatch the video before mis understanding. Namely because i was listening to your episode in my ear on low cause other people were around.

And... some times you say and do things I don't want other people to hear me listening to.
No I don't want you to change ^^. Your solid. And there are so many damn ways I could respond, as apposed to "shut the fuck up". And that's exactly what I should do here, but I simply don't have it in me LOL.
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I could ask "Jim do you even like breasts?" making a cheeky reply and leave it at that.
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I could state I am a pervert (an advanced one dare i say) and if dead or alive in fact went away, because I'm a high level pervert I'd likely not care. We're on the internet as we speak with so many (Furry,shoes, etc) things to speak of seeing perversion leaving gaming would be nothing to true perverts.

How ever this is a fun enjoyable pleasure for the repressed unable to delve into lower venues of entertainment.

I think if people get off on dead or alive it's simply because there "not jaded enough".
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Fine point on gentile mutilation Jim, a neat parting jab at our friends from the middle east, but lets be honest Jimmy.

Japan has issues. Issues that furry doesn't even begin to break down just how.....obtuse the socially acceptable desire level is over there.
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fans wanted to kill and raped a journalist what 2 episodes again? Kill than rape.
These same fans. Jimmy, come on, lets not give these fans a free pass. they don't deserve it.

wow I think i handled that fairly well (at least for me)
as always all my respect (or at least the best parts)

Magog.
 

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Ohh for fuck sake Jim, grow a sense of humour.
Nobody takes Dead or Alive characters seriously. And as for realism, well some girls do actually have breasts that big, the chances are that everyone here knows someone with breasts that big - and if not, go look up Misshannahminx, and tell me she would look out of place in that game.

But, the reason why I'm posting, is to show some disdain at the tired old pro-feminist stalwart comment... In shome culchurs, them mutilate womens varginazzzz... durrr....

Every fricken thread about this stuff, someone mentions that, as if we don't know and need some hipster fucktard to point it out.

Here's a question for you... if female genital mutilation is so horrific, how come circumcision is widely accepted and performed. Isn't it the same thing? - How come genital mutilation is acceptable for boys, but horrific for girls? - is our society really that fucking shallow. Stop putting female genital mutilations on a pedestal as mankinds worst atrocity, because the fact that doing it to a male is somehow reason enough for a party, this silver bullet of sexist debate is so fricken sexist and obvious that you might as well just punch yourself in the groin instead.

We can't care too much about sexism when we are so driven by religion that we mutilate the genitals of more than half the male born population of the world and don't raise an eyebrow, it's all ok, it's not like in some African cultures where they actually mutilate the genitals of girls.

Maybe the human race should outlaw the mutilation of any child, be it circumcision, FGM, or any act that affects the natural growth of a person. People should be allowed to choose in their own time, how they proclaim their religion - Mankind needs to grow the fuck up and learn to say no to retarded traditions and religious practices - and that starts by looking at all aspects, not just the atrocities that happen in far away jungles, but the socially acceptable atrocities that happen on your doorstep.
 

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Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>
Ok, that was hilarious.

Captcha: Which one is the hardest? Eating, Sleeping, Rocket Science, Tying Shoes
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Here's a question for you... if female genital mutilation is so horrific, how come circumcision is widely accepted and performed. Isn't it the same thing?
Uhhh, no.

Unless when you were circumcized, your dickhead was cut off and your penis was sewn to your scrotum so that your future wife would have the honor of ripping your penis from your bleeding scrotum, then no, it's completely not the same thing.

I mean, you may have a point overall, but I don't think you understand what female circumcision entails and how it differs from the practice we call circumcision in males. You might consider male circumcision a travesty, but I, and many other people, were cut as babies and we don't concern ourselves with it. Some might, but the majority do not.
 

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Jim, thanks for making me momentarily fall out with my girlfriend.

Great video though.
This is a story that demands it be told.
I live with two girls basically. My roommate and my girlfriend. This was on screen when they both came back from uni. I had my headphones in. You get the picture?