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Jimquisition: Rape vs. Murder
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And you can't save the world by raping the bad guy.
However, this doesn't explain why regular sex, something associated with love, it usually seen as worse than violence in pop culture. Mass Effect, a game about shooting people in the face, was fine until it gave you the option to have sex.
Tons of parents are willing to let their children see all the death and violence they want, yet are afraid of letting them anywhere near boobs.
However, this doesn't explain why regular sex, something associated with love, it usually seen as worse than violence in pop culture. Mass Effect, a game about shooting people in the face, was fine until it gave you the option to have sex.
Tons of parents are willing to let their children see all the death and violence they want, yet are afraid of letting them anywhere near boobs.
Killing = / = Murder
Your comparing apples to oranges Killing doesn't = murder. Killing can range from anywhere from Execution, Justified killing i.e. a Hitler, Mercy killing, War, Self Defense, with the worse case scenario being Man Slaughter.
Murder on the other hand usually involves killing a helpless victim, where the victim in question is usually not fighting back or simply trying to get away from you. Being brutally murdered is usually worse than being raped, you want to know how I know; ask any woman if she would rather be raped or brutally murdered. 9/10 I think they'll pick the rape and rape surly is the lesser of the 2 evils once you throw in mass homicide.
For instance I can go on a kill crazy rampage killing innocent pedestrians in the street in GTA and end with punching a hooker to death, are you telling me that's worse then any 1 rape? I don't even have to be playing a M rated game to do this many Teen rated games like Infamous let me kill innocent pedestrians.
You're right we are all going to die, but we are not all going to be murdered, there are people who survived attempted murders and horrific tragedies like mass shootings as well who probably get reminded of there life altering event from violent video games, but ignoring the topic or or removing innocent killings in video games isn't going to make it go away. No one is going to play a game full of rape when they themselves have just been raped, just like no one is going to play a game where the objective to to shoot innocent people when they themselves were just victims of a similar assault.
I also disagree with you on the fact that we are all comfortable with the concept of Murder, there are many more people being shot around the world then being raped and the victim being shot and killed aren't always seen as faultless. How meant times have you heard the phrase "He was a drug addict it was only a matter of time" or " He shouldn't have been there"
Brutally killing an innocent person in cold blood isn't any less sleazy or has any less the need to victimize than rape in fact just the opposite. Not every serial killer is a rapist, yes rape usually makes things worse but it's usually just the frosting on the murder cake. Take for example the Ice Truck killer in Dexter, he never raped his victims he just tied them up and cut their body parts off while they were still alive, you think that's honestly worse than being raped and left alive in one piece?
Your comparing apples to oranges Killing doesn't = murder. Killing can range from anywhere from Execution, Justified killing i.e. a Hitler, Mercy killing, War, Self Defense, with the worse case scenario being Man Slaughter.
Murder on the other hand usually involves killing a helpless victim, where the victim in question is usually not fighting back or simply trying to get away from you. Being brutally murdered is usually worse than being raped, you want to know how I know; ask any woman if she would rather be raped or brutally murdered. 9/10 I think they'll pick the rape and rape surly is the lesser of the 2 evils once you throw in mass homicide.
For instance I can go on a kill crazy rampage killing innocent pedestrians in the street in GTA and end with punching a hooker to death, are you telling me that's worse then any 1 rape? I don't even have to be playing a M rated game to do this many Teen rated games like Infamous let me kill innocent pedestrians.
You're right we are all going to die, but we are not all going to be murdered, there are people who survived attempted murders and horrific tragedies like mass shootings as well who probably get reminded of there life altering event from violent video games, but ignoring the topic or or removing innocent killings in video games isn't going to make it go away. No one is going to play a game full of rape when they themselves have just been raped, just like no one is going to play a game where the objective to to shoot innocent people when they themselves were just victims of a similar assault.
I also disagree with you on the fact that we are all comfortable with the concept of Murder, there are many more people being shot around the world then being raped and the victim being shot and killed aren't always seen as faultless. How meant times have you heard the phrase "He was a drug addict it was only a matter of time" or " He shouldn't have been there"
Brutally killing an innocent person in cold blood isn't any less sleazy or has any less the need to victimize than rape in fact just the opposite. Not every serial killer is a rapist, yes rape usually makes things worse but it's usually just the frosting on the murder cake. Take for example the Ice Truck killer in Dexter, he never raped his victims he just tied them up and cut their body parts off while they were still alive, you think that's honestly worse than being raped and left alive in one piece?
And here i disagree slightly. While i don't want to argue about wether rape is a bad thing, which it certainly is, there can be countless situations in which rape can be sort of justified, once you remember that we are talking about games. Just imagine the following videogame: You control a protagonist named "John", living in a random fantasy world. John is the chosen one to save the world from the total destruction by the hands of an evil god named "Bob". And the only way to defeat Bob is by charging a magical artifact with enough energy to banish him. And now imagine the only way to charge the artifact is to rape other people. While this is indeed a very silly plot(Although not the worst i've ever seen), this could be a 100% real videogame, since it's a GAME and can thus contain any idea or plot, how unrealistic they might be. I believe that everyone who would have to choose between raping a few people and letting a whole world go to hell, would think a very long time about that. In this case we hae an example of a rape that could be seen as necessary, and by the way this example is not even glorifying the rape. the protagonist itself knows its awful, yet he may have to do it. So all in all, i believe in a videogame there is nothing that can't be justified, by adjusting the parameters the world operates on. When even in the real world it is acceptable that soldiers kill other humans to prevent them from killing others, then in a videogame it logically has to be acceptable to rape to prevent the apocalypse of an entire planet or universe.Squidbulb said:
I know I'm late to the party but I just discovered Jimquisition (through your Alien 3 video) and I want to add just a tiny bit from myself.
About your "blame a rape victim" argument. It's not exactly that, well some people perhaps do put entire blame on the victim but it's not like that for all (or at least for me). Please note, that I in no way I'm trivializing perpetrator fault nor defending him/her. No matter the circumstances, ones that commit rape are bad and deserve severe punishment. No, this is about how I feel about the victim. But first, let's estabilish one thing. I'm a prick, I hate people as a species (misantrophy or whatever it's called) and I love offensive jokes (yep, any joke, including rape-joke, is fine in my book). That being sad, rape is like the only thing that makes me feel legitimately sorry for a human being (still won't stop from telling stupid rape-jokes in the close vicinity of a victim but that's always something). Except when it's the so called "grey area" rape (ofcourse there is no grey area but for the sake of the argument let's say there is).
We live in dangerous world. We don't like that but that's the way it is. It's a fact you have to accept. So when you're going to a club dressed like a slut or when you're obviously leading on drooling guy (hardcore example the "Just the tip" game) and you get raped, don't expect much sympathy from me. You knew the risk. The perpetrator is ofcourse 100% guilty and should be severly punished. It's just that I won't be sorry for you. I'm not justyfying this kind of rape. It just won't make me feel bad. It's like when you going near a road there is a risk you're going to be run down be a car. It's not nice but it happens.
Also, most civilised world is "democratic" and statistically five out of six people enjoy gang rape
Also about rape in video games. If done with good writing and is well incorporated into the story it's ok. Ok, it would be nice if your character wouldn't get raped and if you're the one doing raping, there should always be an option to not do it. Then it would be truly ok. Eg. G-Senjou no Maou. One path allows you to rape one girl but you don't have to do it. And I didn't because I couldn't bring myself to choose that option.
About your "blame a rape victim" argument. It's not exactly that, well some people perhaps do put entire blame on the victim but it's not like that for all (or at least for me). Please note, that I in no way I'm trivializing perpetrator fault nor defending him/her. No matter the circumstances, ones that commit rape are bad and deserve severe punishment. No, this is about how I feel about the victim. But first, let's estabilish one thing. I'm a prick, I hate people as a species (misantrophy or whatever it's called) and I love offensive jokes (yep, any joke, including rape-joke, is fine in my book). That being sad, rape is like the only thing that makes me feel legitimately sorry for a human being (still won't stop from telling stupid rape-jokes in the close vicinity of a victim but that's always something). Except when it's the so called "grey area" rape (ofcourse there is no grey area but for the sake of the argument let's say there is).
We live in dangerous world. We don't like that but that's the way it is. It's a fact you have to accept. So when you're going to a club dressed like a slut or when you're obviously leading on drooling guy (hardcore example the "Just the tip" game) and you get raped, don't expect much sympathy from me. You knew the risk. The perpetrator is ofcourse 100% guilty and should be severly punished. It's just that I won't be sorry for you. I'm not justyfying this kind of rape. It just won't make me feel bad. It's like when you going near a road there is a risk you're going to be run down be a car. It's not nice but it happens.
Also, most civilised world is "democratic" and statistically five out of six people enjoy gang rape
Also about rape in video games. If done with good writing and is well incorporated into the story it's ok. Ok, it would be nice if your character wouldn't get raped and if you're the one doing raping, there should always be an option to not do it. Then it would be truly ok. Eg. G-Senjou no Maou. One path allows you to rape one girl but you don't have to do it. And I didn't because I couldn't bring myself to choose that option.
Maybe people with a strong fetishes like rape can use such adult games to satisfy their sexual lust without actually harming anyone. If they didn't have such things like rape in porn(fake ofc), and these games are basically porn(like Tentacle Bento), to satisfy this sexual desire, some people might do it in real life than keeping it a fantasy.DVS BSTrD said:
Other example would be pedophiles. Just imagine that the only thing you can satisfy your sexual desire(get a hard one) with are little boys or girls. Of course most normal people would surpress that desire. Being pedophilic doesn't mean that you already raped a child. But if those men can't have an outlet like DRAWN child abuse or porn with 18 year olds looking a lot younger the probability that they at some point give in to the desire is a lot greater. Again I'm not talking about real videos of children or people getting raped. But those fictional things shouldn't harm anyone. If you don't like it don't watch it. If you don't like seeing tentacle monsters raping innnocent girls than don't look at it and don't support games like "Tentacle Bento" on Kickstarter, but leave people who enjoy it alone.
And just because Tentacle Bento(actually first time I've seen that game) might depict rape in a cute way and the girls will probably start enjoying the rape mere seconds after(that's the way Hentai works), doesn't mean that anyone liking it takes real life rape as a light thing to do.