Well, there's this. [http://www.extremetech.com/computing/109533-how-sopa-could-actually-break-the-internet] That's certainly seems "this will kill the whole internet" worthy.ph0b0s123 said:OK, so the US as a consumer market gets lost. I understand it is the biggest market. I just am not seeing the 'this will kill the whole internet'. That statement is a bit US centric, to me.sindremaster said:A lot of the audience from sites like the Escapist are American. If Americans can't enter these sites, they lose a lot of money and may have to shut down, even if they're not based in the US.ph0b0s123 said:One question on this whole thing. How does it affect sites etc outside of the US. I.e not a .com that US authorities think they own, wherever hosted, but .co.uk 's etc. I feel very sorry for people in the US if this is approved. I also understand that there will be an initial effect since most web content comes from the US. But if say Jim moves him, his show and it's hosting back to his native UK (from the accent), won't the show be back to normal?
If the US gov wants to turn the US into the Internet version of North Korean, then fine. I just don't see where 'this will kill the whole Internet' comes from. There are other countries in the world out there you know, where this legislation will not reach. Escapistmagazine.co.uk, youtube.co.uk FTW?
Clever. If they argue against it you file against their site or television show and have it removed under SOPA.Tanis said:We should just take everyone who votes for SOPA and make them unelectable by claiming they're gay atheists who support Justin Biender...![]()
Your point? No politician has ever cared about the first amendment or the Constitution as a whole since the founding fathers were in office, and it hasn't kept laws like SOPA from being completely powerless and unenforcable. Besides, SOPA isn't going to make any more progress in stopping things like Piracy from happening in the US or any other country any more than any other attempt to do just that they've ever taken.Draxyle said:You would think that. But a stupidly high amount of congressmen are totally on board for this bill despite not understanding the consequences. A lot of the big media corporations are trying to ram this through and are practically paying for this legislation to happen. It's not something we can ignore, because it definitely would get passed without the outrage.immortalfrieza said:I don't get why so many people are so hung up over SOPA. SOPA's a joke, it won't get passed and even if it did before long there'd be court case after court case from websites like Youtube, escapist, etc. would be won by the simple citation of the First Amendment rendering the law null and void anyway.
The sponsor of the bill is even calling out the internet rage against it as "illegitimate" and "hyperbolic". They have been bought out, and we need to let them know that they're going to be kicked out of office no matter how much campaign money they rack up from this stunt.
These are the same people that just passed the NDAA. They do not care about the first amendment.
My thoughts exactly!erttheking said:DUDE, CHANGE THE TITLE! Jesus, nearly gave me a fucking heart attack.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that no politician has cared - there are probably a small collection of honorable individuals in office that are surrounded by the many thieves, braggarts, cowards, ect.immortalfrieza said:Your point? No politician has ever cared about the first amendment or the Constitution as a whole since the founding fathers were in office, and it hasn't kept laws like SOPA from being completely powerless and unenforcable. Besides, SOPA isn't going to make any more progress in stopping things like Piracy from happening in the US or any other country any more than any other attempt to do just that they've ever taken.Draxyle said:You would think that. But a stupidly high amount of congressmen are totally on board for this bill despite not understanding the consequences. A lot of the big media corporations are trying to ram this through and are practically paying for this legislation to happen. It's not something we can ignore, because it definitely would get passed without the outrage.immortalfrieza said:I don't get why so many people are so hung up over SOPA. SOPA's a joke, it won't get passed and even if it did before long there'd be court case after court case from websites like Youtube, escapist, etc. would be won by the simple citation of the First Amendment rendering the law null and void anyway.
The sponsor of the bill is even calling out the internet rage against it as "illegitimate" and "hyperbolic". They have been bought out, and we need to let them know that they're going to be kicked out of office no matter how much campaign money they rack up from this stunt.
These are the same people that just passed the NDAA. They do not care about the first amendment.
I am a network engineer so am aware of all of this. Again this is US focused on the US controlled domains. Domains like, my local .co.uk or other country DNS will not be that affected apart from getting rubbish .com DNS info.Cain_Zeros said:Well, there's this. [http://www.extremetech.com/computing/109533-how-sopa-could-actually-break-the-internet] That's certainly seems "this will kill the whole internet" worthy.ph0b0s123 said:OK, so the US as a consumer market gets lost. I understand it is the biggest market. I just am not seeing the 'this will kill the whole internet'. That statement is a bit US centric, to me.sindremaster said:A lot of the audience from sites like the Escapist are American. If Americans can't enter these sites, they lose a lot of money and may have to shut down, even if they're not based in the US.ph0b0s123 said:One question on this whole thing. How does it affect sites etc outside of the US. I.e not a .com that US authorities think they own, wherever hosted, but .co.uk 's etc. I feel very sorry for people in the US if this is approved. I also understand that there will be an initial effect since most web content comes from the US. But if say Jim moves him, his show and it's hosting back to his native UK (from the accent), won't the show be back to normal?
If the US gov wants to turn the US into the Internet version of North Korean, then fine. I just don't see where 'this will kill the whole Internet' comes from. There are other countries in the world out there you know, where this legislation will not reach. Escapistmagazine.co.uk, youtube.co.uk FTW?
I wouldn't say things like that, everybody that's hating on SOPA is just being extreme in an attempt to provoke a reaction from Congress. Even in the extremely unlikely event that SOPA actually passes, they're not going to use it anywhere near as abusively as people think it's going to, it wouldn't last a month if they did.Disasterpiece Press said:I wouldn't go so far as to say that no politician has cared - there are probably a small collection of honorable individuals in office that are surrounded by the many thieves, braggarts, cowards, ect.immortalfrieza said:Your point? No politician has ever cared about the first amendment or the Constitution as a whole since the founding fathers were in office, and it hasn't kept laws like SOPA from being completely powerless and unenforcable. Besides, SOPA isn't going to make any more progress in stopping things like Piracy from happening in the US or any other country any more than any other attempt to do just that they've ever taken.Draxyle said:You would think that. But a stupidly high amount of congressmen are totally on board for this bill despite not understanding the consequences. A lot of the big media corporations are trying to ram this through and are practically paying for this legislation to happen. It's not something we can ignore, because it definitely would get passed without the outrage.immortalfrieza said:I don't get why so many people are so hung up over SOPA. SOPA's a joke, it won't get passed and even if it did before long there'd be court case after court case from websites like Youtube, escapist, etc. would be won by the simple citation of the First Amendment rendering the law null and void anyway.
The sponsor of the bill is even calling out the internet rage against it as "illegitimate" and "hyperbolic". They have been bought out, and we need to let them know that they're going to be kicked out of office no matter how much campaign money they rack up from this stunt.
These are the same people that just passed the NDAA. They do not care about the first amendment.
I wonder where they will stop? Will they start policing those that give a mix cd to a significant other? That person certainly didn't pay for those songs.
Yes, Congress can override the veto by 2/3 vote. I think it's 2/3rds anyway.Kopikatsu said:It can pass even if vetoed. Checks and balances are a go.Fusioncode9 said:It depresses me that the internet will be destroyed if SOPA passes. Hopefully Obama keeps his promise and vetos the bill.
Anyway, anyone mind pointing out where SOPA ends Fair Use? 'Cause...it doesn't.
It's 2/3rds.snowfi6916 said:Yes, Congress can override the veto by 2/3 vote. I think it's 2/3rds anyway.Kopikatsu said:It can pass even if vetoed. Checks and balances are a go.Fusioncode9 said:It depresses me that the internet will be destroyed if SOPA passes. Hopefully Obama keeps his promise and vetos the bill.
Anyway, anyone mind pointing out where SOPA ends Fair Use? 'Cause...it doesn't.
You're forgetting though that there is still the Supreme Court who could rule the entire bill unconstitutional and completely destroy it forever.
Judicial branch has just as much power as the Legislative and Executive.
Draxyle said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXo_Z9BF7ao&feature=relatedDylan Greer said:What was the song at the end, WANT!
The Deadly Premonition soundtrack. An extremely oddball, niche, crazy game that happens to have extremely good music.
And I can't mention that soundtrack without posting this infamous, but incredible tune- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OUP_Z3iZPs
I don't think I'm being extreme at all - what is the difference, in reality? I supposedly know the person who has created the mixed cd while I don't know the invisible person who is sharing with me on the internet? What about the old days of VHS, people could just tape television shows to watch and share at their convenience - did they crack down on them?immortalfrieza said:I wouldn't say things like that, everybody that's hating on SOPA is just being extreme in an attempt to provoke a reaction from Congress. Even in the extremely unlikely event that SOPA actually passes, they're not going to use it anywhere near as abusively as people think it's going to, it wouldn't last a month if they did.Disasterpiece Press said:I wouldn't go so far as to say that no politician has cared - there are probably a small collection of honorable individuals in office that are surrounded by the many thieves, braggarts, cowards, ect.immortalfrieza said:Your point? No politician has ever cared about the first amendment or the Constitution as a whole since the founding fathers were in office, and it hasn't kept laws like SOPA from being completely powerless and unenforcable. Besides, SOPA isn't going to make any more progress in stopping things like Piracy from happening in the US or any other country any more than any other attempt to do just that they've ever taken.Draxyle said:You would think that. But a stupidly high amount of congressmen are totally on board for this bill despite not understanding the consequences. A lot of the big media corporations are trying to ram this through and are practically paying for this legislation to happen. It's not something we can ignore, because it definitely would get passed without the outrage.immortalfrieza said:I don't get why so many people are so hung up over SOPA. SOPA's a joke, it won't get passed and even if it did before long there'd be court case after court case from websites like Youtube, escapist, etc. would be won by the simple citation of the First Amendment rendering the law null and void anyway.
The sponsor of the bill is even calling out the internet rage against it as "illegitimate" and "hyperbolic". They have been bought out, and we need to let them know that they're going to be kicked out of office no matter how much campaign money they rack up from this stunt.
These are the same people that just passed the NDAA. They do not care about the first amendment.
I wonder where they will stop? Will they start policing those that give a mix cd to a significant other? That person certainly didn't pay for those songs.