Jimquisition: The Positive Side to Punching Nuns

LadyRhian

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The_Kodu said:
LadyRhian said:
If the men sent to kill 47 dressed as monks, and stripped off their monk robes to reveal them wearing assless leather chaps (or pleather), vinyl banana hammocks, studded dog collars and/or other sexy fetishwear, you might have a point. As it is, they are dressed that way to titilate men, and presumably the viewer.
I didn't realise there were fetish wear monks in Saints Row ......... did I miss that part or something ?
No, just pointing out that there is a difference between a bunch of men sent to kill 47 and what was depicted in this trailer. I am not even against the trailer- I just think that a bunch of men sent to kill 47 would not be depicted dressed as monks (Or priests, for that matter), then strip off the monk robes to reveal leather or pleather bondage gear. I am not even sure if there is a male version of the stiletto heels the nunsassins are wearing. But now I'd love to see the opposite male version depicted the same way. (Men dressed as priests/monks who turn into leather bondage guy assassins- that would be amusing.)
 

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So the truth has finally come out from Jim Sterling, he is a relentless white knight leftist who thinks that HE cares and YOU don't, he cares about the poor slutty dressed killers and the rest of you that don't give a shit must hate women and bash them in your spare time.

Again with any kind of outrage like this lets reverse the roles, say it was male priests with massive bulges in their pants and huge muscles attacking a female hit man, well, not only would there be no controversy but the game would probably be held up as a game of empowerment for women and a stand against organized religion! Leftists would be shouting from the rooftops at how awesome and fun it is, and if anyone expressed an opposite view they would be told to "man up" and STFU.

Anyone with eyes can see the constant bashing of men in advertising, but where is the outcry for them? And the men bashed are usually everyday guys, fathers and regular blokes, not bazooka carrying assassins on their way to kill someone...

The fact that there is any outcry on this issue at all shows how degraded the gaming community has become and how the tentacles of political correctness and feminism has slowly started to rot away at one of the last places of freedom of expression for everyone but especially for men.

Yes the gaming world is changing, but for the worse. A few years ago no one would bat a surgically implanted transvestite eye lash if you called someone a retard for playing a game badly, now if you ***** about it hard enough you can get someone banned. Where will this end? When you'll get charged in real life for slapping a virtual secretary on their virtual ass at your virtual job? How far will this go?

Look, lucky for us gaming is still a free market and in the end your dollar does the talking. I personally gave the escapist a fair go but it's becoming more and more clear where things are going.
 

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TizzytheTormentor said:
Personally, I saw nothing wrong with the trailer, I'm not one to scream bloody murder at a little skin shown.
I agree but there is one thing that bothers me: Were did that nun keep the rocket launcher? It wasn't on her back when she was wearing a robe? o_O
 

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Chromanin said:
I think this is the third instance in this topic of the accusation of male sexualization being just as rampant as women sexualization, and all anyone has been able to come up with as an example is Twilight.

The hypersexualization of males happens. Yes, Twilight is an example. It is nowhere near as big a problem as the hypersexualization of females. Comparitively speaking, it's not a problem at all. Women have a history of being abused and diminished by being objectified and hypersexualized and have had to fight and win legal battles to have power over their own sexuality. Saying that men carry the same burden is just flat out untrue.
I honestly don't give a shit whether sexualization of males isn't as prevalent as sexualization of females, nor do I care about whether the oppression of women has a longer history. Saying that problem A is not as big a problem as problem B, is not an excuse to ignore problem A altogether. It may mean that you should pay a little more attention to problem B sure, but that's about it.

Frission said:
But here's the thing, Twilight is BAD. REEAAAALLLY BAD. It deserves being kicked in the stomach. Repeatedly.

I don't think that Twilight excuses the outrage or what happened to this video. It's an incredibly weak excuse to say since there's Twilight everything is now allowed.

I also contest the point about female sexualization being as prominent as male sexualization. Is there an equivalent of a male monk taking off his coat showing he's wearing only tight leather pants? When was the last time you saw this?
imagehttp://cdn.chud.com/c/c6/c6a3b841_tumblr_lzzb94A80i1r5m6cuo1_500.jpeg
I never said that Twilight excused anything. I merely said that it happens on both sides, regardless of gender. The fact that male sexualization isn't as big a problem is, for me, a non point.
 

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LadyRhian said:
The_Kodu said:
LadyRhian said:
If the men sent to kill 47 dressed as monks, and stripped off their monk robes to reveal them wearing assless leather chaps (or pleather), vinyl banana hammocks, studded dog collars and/or other sexy fetishwear, you might have a point. As it is, they are dressed that way to titilate men, and presumably the viewer.
I didn't realise there were fetish wear monks in Saints Row ......... did I miss that part or something ?
No, just pointing out that there is a difference between a bunch of men sent to kill 47 and what was depicted in this trailer. I am not even against the trailer- I just think that a bunch of men sent to kill 47 would not be depicted dressed as monks (Or priests, for that matter), then strip off the monk robes to reveal leather or pleather bondage gear. I am not even sure if there is a male version of the stiletto heels the nunsassins are wearing. But now I'd love to see the opposite male version depicted the same way. (Men dressed as priests/monks who turn into leather bondage guy assassins- that would be amusing.)
How about this version:
A group of men, coming to kill 47.
Not dressed as monks, but as Orthodox Jews, with hats, coats, black pants, which are revealed to be tight leather upon closer inspection, and everything else needed, except the funny hair.
Upon arrivin, they throw their coats away, to reveal that they aren't wearing shirts, their upper bodies are only covered by ammunition belts and weapon hoslters, the rain giving their ripped abdomens and strong pectorals a lustering shine in the the dim light.
Each of them is wearing a Cross on a chain around his neck (turns out, they aren't really jewish).
And then ass-kicking ensues, with the assassins being beaten into a pulp by 47.
 

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I don't give a damn about nuns being beaten up, whatever, they're people, they can be beaten up. It's the ridiculous sexualisation, it pisses me off. If it makes sense in game, fine, this doesn't. There's no point to having them do that except to make men drool and it's pathetic. Fuck off with that shit, I don't want fetishistic crap on my screen, porn exists for that, I want a game, I want insight into the gameplay or the story or the characters or the aesthetics, not "lol naked people getting beaten up". They treat you like children with that trailer and what's sad is that people rush to defend them.
 

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Wow, a lot of people here are really missing the point of this controversy. As a few people have already said the problem is NOT the violence against women, it's how the violence is portrayed. There's a difference. I haven't seen anyone complaining about the violence and if they are they need to shut up and stop confusing the matter.
Some people are saying that this is silly because no one complains when a man is beat up in a game but put a women in there and all hell breaks loose. Again, this is missing the point. A more appropriate comparison would be one smartly dressed woman (like agent 47) taking out ton of men in sexy policemen outfits who barely fight back. Yes, in the trailer the women do fight back but not much and any damage done is shrugged off. If this were to happen people would complain, granted not as much as this trailer because people always kick up a fuss when 'violence' and 'woman' are in the same sentence.

You can probably tell this is really frustrating me because people aren't looking into this before complaining /rant
 

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Chromanin said:
FallenMessiah88 said:
I wholeheartedly disagree Jim. Sexualization of men are just as prevelant as sexualization of women, look no futher than Twilight.
I think this is the third instance in this topic of the accusation of male sexualization being just as rampant as women sexualization, and all anyone has been able to come up with as an example is Twilight.

The hypersexualization of males happens. Yes, Twilight is an example. It is nowhere near as big a problem as the hypersexualization of females. Comparitively speaking, it's not a problem at all. Women have a history of being abused and diminished by being objectified and hypersexualized and have had to fight and win legal battles to have power over their own sexuality. Saying that men carry the same burden is just flat out untrue.
Males are usually hyper idiotilized and made to look like animals that only think with their dick and are capable of little else. For a good run down of how men are treated in the media check out these videos and very are many MANY more like it out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuZLAdacM1M

They are sexulized also, plenty
 

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FallenMessiah88 said:
Chromanin said:
I think this is the third instance in this topic of the accusation of male sexualization being just as rampant as women sexualization, and all anyone has been able to come up with as an example is Twilight.

The hypersexualization of males happens. Yes, Twilight is an example. It is nowhere near as big a problem as the hypersexualization of females. Comparitively speaking, it's not a problem at all. Women have a history of being abused and diminished by being objectified and hypersexualized and have had to fight and win legal battles to have power over their own sexuality. Saying that men carry the same burden is just flat out untrue.
I honestly don't give a shit whether sexualization of males isn't as prevalent as sexualization of females, nor do I care about whether the oppression of women has a longer history. Saying that problem A is not as big a problem as problem B, is not an excuse to ignore problem A altogether. It may mean that you should pay a little more attention to problem B sure, but that's about it.
As I said, the rate at which it happens isn't what makes it a problem. It isn't a problem for men because, no matter how often men get hypersexualized in media, they will never be viewed exclusively as sex objects. They never have. Women, however, have been burdened by this stigma for a long time and are still trying to shake it off today.
 

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Chromanin said:
As I said, the rate at which it happens isn't what makes it a problem. It isn't a problem for men because, no matter how often men get hypersexualized in media, they will never be viewed exclusively as sex objects. They never have. Women, however, have been burdened by this stigma for a long time and are still trying to shake it off today.
Are you 100% sure of that?
 

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Most human beings that see a movie that depicts a "profession" were you are likely to get shot or get arrested isn't exactly a good motivator to becoming a mobster, even if the movie tells you it's the most fun job in the world.
I think that's way off base, and likely a complete asspull.

Besides, you have plenty of movies that are the equivalent of Saints Row. Crime not only pays, but if you're a sociopathic mobster, you will be famous for it. See also: Rap.

mjc0961 said:
And the Deckers. And the Morningstar. ...God damn Saints Row The Third's campaign was disappointing. If it didn't have the awesome free roam bits I would probably hate that game.
Agreed on all counts. I just thought the Luchadores were the most disappointing, so...

I mean, you're a bunch of masked wrestlers and your specialist is a grenadier? WTF?

Deckers were fun, at least.
 

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FallenMessiah88 said:
Chromanin said:
As I said, the rate at which it happens isn't what makes it a problem. It isn't a problem for men because, no matter how often men get hypersexualized in media, they will never be viewed exclusively as sex objects. They never have. Women, however, have been burdened by this stigma for a long time and are still trying to shake it off today.
Are you 100% sure of that?
I can't speak for the poster, but the answer is yes. Yes, it's a problem. What did you mean by "are you 100% sure of that?" Do you have anything to add?
 

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Frission said:
FallenMessiah88 said:
Chromanin said:
As I said, the rate at which it happens isn't what makes it a problem. It isn't a problem for men because, no matter how often men get hypersexualized in media, they will never be viewed exclusively as sex objects. They never have. Women, however, have been burdened by this stigma for a long time and are still trying to shake it off today.
Are you 100% sure of that?
I can't speak for the poster, but the answer is yes. Yes, it's a problem. What did you mean by "are you 100% sure of that?" Do you have anything to add?
I never said it wasn't. In fact, I've been saying that it is a problem for both genders (but more so for women).

I was asking the poster whether he or she was a 100% sure that there has never been any incident in history where a man has been viewed exclusively as a sex object.
 

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Ok I completely don't get your "Women in fighting games" example. They are sexualized, sure, but that's as far as it goes. Whether they kick ass or get their ass kicked is entirely dependent on the players playing as them. And from what I've seen, a character being less effective (aka low tier, or really anyway unbalanced) is taken as a bad thing by the community no matter the gender.

In my opinion, while sexualization is a problem video games have, being a valid threat no matter the gender is something video games have done very well.
 

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-don't see the problem with the nuns:

our hero is hurt nuns(the good guys) walk up to his place where they reveal their leathery goodness(the bad guys)

it displays a wolf in sheep's clothing

i don't know much about the hitman series but it wouldn't surprise me if 47 discovers some not so nice things about the people he worked for

-this also makes the clothing more forgiving though i agree it was unnecessary

-and why would punching female goons be worse than punching male ones, that's the real sexism


also most gamers are a lot less affected by trailers than teenage boys, who this trailer was made for
 

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Yet another "sexism is wrong" diatribe that ironically, but unsupririsingly, operates based on the major unstated premise that sexism is only a problem if it's negatively affecting women.
 

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does anybody get the feeling that the marketing department used this ad specifically to get people to talk about the game regardless of the resulting context

because that would mean that everybody fell for it again