Jimquisition: The Unholy Trinity Of Blind Greedy Bastards

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Monsterfurby

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As someone working in one of the marketing departments in question, I have to disagree here. In our company, marketing consists of gamers who love games and want to see and make better ones, while the department actually coordinating the development are the cynical, business-driven people who couldn't care less about games that Jim is describing. I know, taking a stab at the marketing departments of the world is easy, and the point itself stands, but please keep in mind that sometimes the situation may be quite different from how it would seem.

The main point - that this industry is largely led by people who have no real connection to the product - is of course absolutely correct - but all that happens WAY above the level of "the marketing department".
 

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Whats clash of clans ? Never even seen it anywhere before.
 

Rabidkitten

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Eamar said:
1) Incredible backdrop - congrats.
2) Captain America. See it. Now.

Mastemat said:
Your new backdrop.....
um...
How should I say this...
um...
It's very.....
National Socialist....
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<_<

And also the irony that I'm pretty sure 99% of anyone who reads my post won't realize that NAZI is a shortening of National Socialist until I mention Hitler.
Oh, get off your high horse. What on earth leads you to that conclusion?
Well probably the Parteiadler, which is the bird that was a very prominent Third Reich symbol. So yeah, the Red and Black imagery of the Jimquistion with the eagle mixed in certainly is satirically referencing the Third Reich.

Noted in the Google search link bellow. (NOTE: the images in the link are Nazi symbolism, be warned).

[link]https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Parteiadler&client=firefox-a&hs=iOL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MfJMU9GKGpG6yAGS0YBY&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1211&bih=904[/link]
 

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Rabidkitten said:
Ummm... yes? I know that, that was the point of the first part of my post (hint: open up the spoiler tags). I was asking how he came to the conclusion that 99% of Escapists would have no idea that Nazi was an abbreviation of National Socialist. It's pretty damn arrogant, not to mention insulting to the rest of us.
 

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UNHchabo said:
Yeah... even if you want to find executives from outside the games industry, why don't they go for executives from elsewhere in the media industry? I feel like someone who knows how to sell movies can figure out how to sell games, despite the differences.

After some quick Googling, I did find that Bruce Hack, CEO of Vivendi Games before the Activision Blizzard merger, had previously been Vice Chairman of Universal Music Group, and CFO of Universal Studios. That's a resumé that makes sense for an outsider coming in to run a games company.
Even despite the DRM alarm bells that are blaring away at reading "Universal Music Group", I have to agree with you that someone with a background in making music, TV or movies would be a far better choice for a games company CEO (or marketer) than anyone from a packaged goods background.
 

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I consider myself to be a gamer who is interested in games, and I had never even heard of Clash of Clans until today.
 

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Wasn't that the reason for the Video Game Crash of the 80s? People that didn't know anything about games being in charge of game companies?

How do these guys get into this position?
Actually the 1982 crash was due to people who didn't understand basic business sense being in charge of game companies. Over-saturation, little to no quality control, and a new emerging competing market were all things that were ignored.
 

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For everyone who wonders what Clash of Clans is... it's basically the graphical and polished F2P version of the old browser based kingdom games, the ones where you have slowly regenerating energy that you can use to explore for land, build buildings, hire soldiers/monsters, and attack other players kingdoms.

Except it's also a social game with guilds, and to stay competitive you have to spend hundreds of dollars a week in the cash shop, as well as manage several alt-accounts that you use to attack your main account so it becomes temporarily invulnerable so that other top players can't wreck it.

I know because I read an article about one of the top players who'd quit.

[link]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/technology/master-of-his-virtual-domain.html[/link]

Sidenote: when I saw the title of this show I thought it'd be about EA, Activision and Ubisoft as the evil trinity.
 

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This reminds me of how MTV got taken over by a man who made his fortune off soap operas, so he of course decided that's what his new channel should be putting all it's focus into creating.

Hence the rather sharp decline in music and the spike in pregnant teenager dramas.
 

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Abnaxis said:
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I've never even heard of Clash of Clans. Is it a big mobile title or something?
I've seen the blonde looking warriors pop up in a few adverts but not actually seen the game itself, is it a stratergy game like Civ?
 

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PunkRex said:
I've seen the blonde looking warriors pop up in a few adverts but not actually seen the game itself, is it a stratergy game like Civ?
Maybe Civ as envisioned by Zynga. It's more like those old kingdom war browser games, I don't remember any of their names, but the basic premise is you have limited energy, use it to find new land, build stuff, recruit soldiers, and raid other players for their resources/land.

Except CoC is heavily cash shop based and the top players have to spend hundreds of dollars a week to stay at the top.
 

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MorganL4 said:
canadamus_prime said:
I want to know how this happened. How is it that people who know nothing about video games ended up running video game companies?
We live in a world of professional CEOs. If you were a great CEO of a shampoo company, and were able to double sales of X shampoo then it makes perfect sense (In the current world that is Corporate America) that you would be just as good running a company that has traditionally made RPGs. The idea is this, because you market shampoo, people like the ads for the shampoo and like the social stature associated with said shampoo, they buy the shampoo and use it. Thus if you market the game well, people like the ads for the game, and like the social stature associate with the game then you have done your job. The fact that shampoo is a bunch of chemicals put into a bottle and shipped out, whereas a game is a piece of art created by a collective group and then copied over a million times for resale doesn't really enter into the equation.
But isn't it the responsibility of the CEO to familiarize themselves with the product they are trying to sell?
 

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I'm just glad I am getting back into table top gaming! I just got done putting together a set of space marines for warhammer 40k and it cost a couple hundred bucks for sure but in the long run even though its a small part of an army this money will be well spent for the next few years as I will continue to play and build this up over time and keep it all without fear of game going off line and I will actually own all my stuff at the end of everything so I can enjoy it till the day I die if I like! I am seriously considering quitting being a video gamer and I have been one for 30 years! I cannot give Jim the credit for me wanting to quit video gaming though this is something I have been watching unfold with all this pay to play crap. Although the video Jim put up a couple or so weeks back that explained that these pay to play games that are created for "whales" actually made me feel a little sick inside to know that all we are is just some fat and dumb cash grab instead of an actual human being. I have been trying to play a game recently called lionheart tactics and its real disappointing to see that it not only has the 100 buck option but all your heroes and weapons and promotion stones are bought randomly almost slot machine style! you could have a warrior hoping to get him gear and upgrade him to the next tier and dunk all your money into the game and never get his things! If only people with lots of money had lots of brains cause its only the idiots that feed into this with their monies in the first place is why this exists!
 

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But isn't it the responsibility of the CEO to familiarize themselves with the product they are trying to sell?

What? Are you implying that company executives should behave like hard-working, dedicated employees?
Get out of here you bolshevik!
 

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Me seeing the title of the episode:
"soooooooo, EA, Activision and... uhm... Capcom/MS, maybe?"

Me after seeing the episode
"Ah, so it's games, not devs. Cod, Candy Crush and... what the hell is Clash of Clans?"
 

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OHMIGOD! HE'S REFERENCED HYDRA WITHTOUT HAVING SEEN THE NEW MOVIE! NERD RAGE! CEDRIC IS NOT CYRIL! MORE NERD RAGE!

Silliness aside, what I'd really like to know is what Mister Sterling plans to do once his little lectern-slash-podium thingy runs out of space for his Miniature Fantasy Space Brigade-slash-Super Sentai-slash-whatever.

Aaaand, just so I'll be on-topic, it's amazing what being a gamer can come to mean if you're part of the subset that simply won't touch anything by King, Supercell or the yearly CoDbro Juice Infusion Maker. The big three can bash their heads in trying to fuse these three games into a kind of marketing and casual-dominating motherlode, I'll just be right over there, playing my 4X games, my Skyrims, my Hotline Miamis and my Minecrafts.

Besides, there's nothing particularly clever about the Freemium model, not when half of them are so shoddily implemented you can just circumvent the limitations by fiddling with your iDevice's clock. Ever since my parents discovered that little trick, they've been fooling themselves into thinking they have King utterly and completely defeated.
 
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hentropy said:
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Yeah I thought you already sorta knew all this stuff, Jim... I don't work in games but I am a student of the broader IT systems industry, and they TEACH this stuff as part of the business curriculum. Appeal to large audiences, appeal to demographics with money, growth is everything and if you're not growing you're losing. Whole assignments based around trying to sell unpopular monitoring and other features as important services. In information systems in general, there have been quite a few situations where I've been asked with new and creative ways to collect data from people. Social media is not viewed as a tool, but as the most direct way to collect information to tune business and marketing strategies.

The reason why those three are the models for success is not because they are good games, but because they've done everything "right" when it comes to marketing, growth, and siphoning as much money out as possible.

To be fair, my school does teach a variety of approaches, and niche audiences are taught to be just as potentially profitable, but you're also basically taught "look at the rest of the industry and do what works."
Just for fun, could you ask your Teacher's opinions about whether or not teaching outright Deception and methods for draining the Soul out of any and all Industries is personally satisfying? Is there a set amount of income at which it is considered appropriate to just toss all integrity out the window and utterly shit all over the customers whose very dollars are providing your supper? I would LOVE to hear an answer to that at the Teacher's level.

Also, could you ask said teacher's opinion of what directly amounts to plagiarism? I hear that Plagiarism is a bigg NO NO in academic circles.
Again, to be fair, it's not so much about what the teachers (keep in mind that there are multiple business classes and they all focus on the aforementioned aspects), it's about what businesses are looking for out of big-picture IT employees and marketers. It might seem strange or superbad that a marketer or CEO in the games industry has never worked in games before and know little about them, but that's the way it works in every industry. If you're a marketer for a produce company your job is not to know about every intricacy of the produce industry, your job is to market the product to the people the higher-ups want you to market to.

This is why executive decisions and the "tone at the top" is so important. Some companies just turn their marketing over to the marketing department and let them drive marketing, using a lot of employee and industry expert feedback to craft the best message. Some CEOs will try and direct marketing themselves and not bother to involve anyone who actually know the audience at the ground level, which is how you get Dead Space's "your mom is going hate it" commercials. You might hate what Clash of Clans stands for, but you have to admit that the commercials (which play quite frequently) are quite effective at appealing to multiple audiences. Your job as a marketer is not to make the game or even care about the quality of it, your job is to get people to download and buy it.

The difference between a disconnected, "soulless" company like EA and a company most people love like Valve is that Valve simply knows its audiences much better because the people at the top are gamers and experts themselves.
I see your points, and thank you, but you didn't really address my questions.
I understand that what is being taught IS what the businesses want. Which to go from the Games Industry, is people as skilled as possible in the art of Deception, Plagiarism, and the desire to Monetize Teens and Whales for the retention of Virility. Also if you know how to Silence people Opinions or Reviews of your product so that only good reviews can be read this is a bonus.
I am curious to know a Teacher's moral standpoint on this. Or even your own opinion on the fact that this is what IS if not WILL be taught in said curriculum given the way these Businesses operate? Unless of course, it's too late and HYDRA already has your College (University?) on lock-down.
 

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Strazdas said:
garjian said:
I just pictured a scene in my head...
Asking a room of these executives to list their top 10 favourite video games, and if they can't even think of 10 to list, telling them to get the fuck out.
Remember, they're not allowed to use the internet to help, so I'd expect this to be a real challenge for them.
i never bothered with making top lists myself. i would need to think real hard to list top 10 movies and i saw literally over 3000 of them. I only played 125 games (yes, i count) so the list to pick from would be shorter, but still coming out with top 10 instantly would not be easy, unless i would just be stating random games that i remember first, which i guess would technically work for situation, but wouldnt be fair. not everyone is obsessed with listing their things as favourites.
The point was them being able to name 10 in the first place, not how difficult they would find it to select them.
It's "Name 10 games" in disguise.
 

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MarsAtlas said:
And the Bible isn't an entertainment franchise. Thats just being facetious.
You didn't say "entertainment franchise" - you said "fictional franchise." And the Bible is both fictional, and the biggest literary franchise of all time.

So, I really don't understand how it's facetious to include the largest fictional franchise of all time among "fictional franchises." Hell it would also qualify as as an "entertainment franchise" because it has entertained so many people over the Centuries.
 

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I like to watch this show because it makes me think. Normally I do not fully agree with Jim, but I do love his point of view. In this episode I was completely with him, until he said hail hydra! Why do people use a meme when they have no connection to the meme :(?
Still why does he want a shoe?