Jimquisition: Touch Waggle Touch Waggle Swipe

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Eric the Orange

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This happens whenever there's new tech that developers want to play with. The idea is that the curiosity that people have of it will make people buy it. weather it belongs or not.

I remember when 3D (as in polygons) was the new thing, and every game had to be 3D even if the game franchise was previously 2D.
 

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Another example of Vita touch screens used right: Disgaea 3.

The use of touch controls are only used to enhance the experience (a flick of your finger can make an inventory screen scroll faster, move the camera during battles, yadda, etc.), or to do silly things (you can flick characters in the hub-world and send them flying. lawl).

Anyway, good episode, Jim. :D
 

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However Jim, you forgot about horror games. They are meant to show you just how clever the developers are, as they reach inside your skull and make you feel molested on the inside.
 

LordMonty

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Thank god Jim that is all i can say as you have said what i said at some point when i said it.
 

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GonzoGamer said:
sounds like the WiiU and Vita devs should rediscover the strategy genre; that could leave a lot of room for swiping & waggling that slows down a FPS.
It might make console RTS games good for once, this is great idea.
 

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I would say that with a game like Okami the move controller has been a god send (like Jim)... now if only there was a button to skip the MOUNTAINS of dialog I have to sit through before I get to play again.
 

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That was a long 'un, but I was chuckling merrily through most of it. You hit the nail on the head, Jim, especially so far as the Vita is concerned. Hell, I was actually glad to find out the Persona 4 doesn't use the touch screens (save for two instances, which are just fine) at all: at least I know one game that I can play without worrying about awkward motions getting in the way of the fun. But the rest of my games? Yeah, touching gets annoying. Also, Little Deviants can go die in a fire.
 

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I once read someone on this very forum write "if we stick to brick-with-buttons controllers then gaming will never move forward", and I felt like slapping them silly.
Brick-with-buttons controllers are to gaming what round wheels are to ground transport. You don't try to make the wheel SQUARE for the sake of innovation, you keep it round through thousands of years and eventually polish wheel technology to a mirror shine.
But did wheel technology stop the invention of flying vehicles? Of course not.

What I'm getting at with these analogies is that developers need to take some responsibility and make games GROUND-UP with motion/touchscreen controls in mind, the controls should compliment the game and enrich the experience. They should NOT make the player think "I wish I could just push a fucking button to do this" because the moment the player thinks that, the entire purpose of the new controls is defeated and the developers need to go back to the drawing board.

Golden rule of gaming input/controls: It's the GAMEPLAY that should challenge the player, not the fucking CONTROLS.
 

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You would need 4 arms to play some Vita games.

Guess no one is laughing at Goro now.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
Sheo_Dagana said:
I'll have to look into that game Jim was showing. Ragnarok Odyssey? I wonder what Jim thinks of it as a game, aside from being the good example of Vita touch screen controls.
Why, I reviewed it right here, mah friend:

http://www.destructoid.com/review-ragnarok-odyssey-237672.phtml
Excellent! I was looking for a new game for my Vita and your review has sold me. Thanks for the link!
 

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Sorry this is unrelated to the recent video at hand, but I noticed that, after randomly watching two Jimquisition videos, that both featured a track from the FF9 soundtrack. Not that I'm complaining mind, I'm quite happy to see music from one of my all-time favorites being featured in the videos, and I was amused that out of some random picks, both of them happened to feature such songs. I'm actually curious if this is an on-going thing here or if it was a just a funny coincidence.
 

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Aaron Sylvester said:
I once read someone on this very forum write "if we stick to brick-with-buttons controllers then gaming will never move forward", and I felt like slapping them silly.
Brick-with-buttons controllers are to gaming what round wheels are to ground transport. You don't try to make the wheel SQUARE for the sake of innovation, you keep it round through thousands of years and eventually polish wheel technology to a mirror shine.
But did wheel technology stop the invention of flying vehicles? Of course not.
You're right, but there is still a lot to be said for trying out new things. The problem with new input methods is when they are used as a replacement for existing tech in a situation where they do nothing to enhance the experience.

For instance, Rise of Nightmares for Kinect had moments where you had to keep perfectly still in order to evade a hulking great blind monstrosity or where you had to cover your ears with your hands in order to avoid taking damage from a banshee-like enemy. Both of these things really helped to deepen the immersion of the game for me, as did using gestures to power up a device that then lets you essentially throw fireballs at enemies. That last one was just an awesome feeling. However, although I loved that game, there is no denying that the point where it let itself down was in the movement controls and the 'hold your hand over this icon to pick stuff up, open doors, etc' mechanic. If Kinect had a controller like the Wii Nunchuck then that problem would have been solved - traditional buttons could have been used in contexts where motion control was less efficient or just didn't make sense - for instance a simple trigger press to open doors or pick up items would have gone a long way to allowing people to actually enjoy what motion control brought to the table.

After all, to expand your wheel analogy, while of course we stuck to round wheels because they work, we used to attach them to bits of wood and pull them around with horses, and refusal to explore alternative control schemes in conjunction with the existing 'brick with buttons' controller would be the same as refusing to experiment with putting those wheels onto different things. I personally think that the Wii had a good idea but the base tech wasn't quite good enough (by the time Motion Plus was released it was too late really), PS Move had a lot of potential but is of course hampered by the fact that devs can't count on every user owning all the necessary peripherals that make it up (why on earth they didn't just come as a package is beyond me), and Kinect has a lot of potential that will never be realised due to a lack of synergy between a 2-handed controller and full body gesture control - they threw the baby out with the bath water by designing it to replace the controller rather than augment it.

I think the hardware manufacturers are gradually realising that 'cars must have wheels' and are integrating their alternate control methods into existing controller design. I personally think the Wii U looks promising, what with its 'this is a normal controller with all the buttons you've come to expect, but we've crammed everything (including the kitchen sink) into it too'.
 

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finalizer said:
Sorry this is unrelated to the recent video at hand, but I noticed that, after randomly watching two Jimquisition videos, that both featured a track from the FF9 soundtrack. Not that I'm complaining mind, I'm quite happy to see music from one of my all-time favorites being featured in the videos, and I was amused that out of some random picks, both of them happened to feature such songs. I'm actually curious if this is an on-going thing here or if it was a just a funny coincidence.
I got new for you, it's almost always from the Final Fantasy 9 soundtrack.

And I love it!

But yeah, agreed with the great Jim, not much more for me to say on that really.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
Mark B said:
Right well thats the last Jq I'm watching for a while. when you spend 2 minutes complaining that you dont have enough time to make a video thats 2 minutes you could have put in the video.
But ... it wasn't a complaint? It was a set up to a joke with a hammer?
That CD was kicking your ass. I feel like we should enter it into the MMAs.

TJC said:
Jim... please... keep it short. You're repeating yourself for no reason. It's stretching the videos to unreasonable lengths for no other reason than to hear you saying the same damn thing over and over. This video should've clocked by minute 7 (if your fucking generous). The fact that it was nearly 10 minutes long makes it almost pointless.
Did you say this in his last 5 videos or is it just a new person each time not being aware of how long his videos tend to be?
 

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Couldn't agree more. Thanks to grandstanding developer choices, Metroid Prime Hunters was awkward to the point of unenjoyable for me. I hear that the new Kid Icarus suffered in the same way.
 

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theultimateend said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
Mark B said:
Right well thats the last Jq I'm watching for a while. when you spend 2 minutes complaining that you dont have enough time to make a video thats 2 minutes you could have put in the video.
But ... it wasn't a complaint? It was a set up to a joke with a hammer?
That CD was kicking your ass. I feel like we should enter it into the MMAs.

TJC said:
Jim... please... keep it short. You're repeating yourself for no reason. It's stretching the videos to unreasonable lengths for no other reason than to hear you saying the same damn thing over and over. This video should've clocked by minute 7 (if your fucking generous). The fact that it was nearly 10 minutes long makes it almost pointless.
Did you say this in his last 5 videos or is it just a new person each time not being aware of how long his videos tend to be?
Considering that I didn't comment on his videos for a while now, I think you're thinking of someone else here.
EDIT: At least, I don't think I did. Maybe I'm sleep-typing D: