Jimquisition: Why The PS4 Is Kicking Xbox One's Arse
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Did I miss the part where you showed me how much of that can be attributed to indie games, or was it absent?Toadfish1 said:
Fair enough. Hell, the only reason I'm looking at buying a PS4 eventually is because Armored Core isn't on PC. If it weren't for that I'd get myself a decent machine and enjoy the modding community. But I suppose that means there's a system seller for me.Charcharo said:No. But not for AAA games either. Games cant make me switch platformMeChaNiZ3D said:...
Basically the PS4 must offer backwards compatibility for all PS games ever made, allow modding and be even cheaper. Honestly, currently the best, cheapest and least time consuming platform is the PC...
One thing I will point out (even though I know this is gonna irk some) that consoles are not competing with the PC market. I think we like to play this game where platforms that can play the same games are competing on the same plane for the same audience, and while sometimes that is the case, in this case its just not. Sure a decent gaming PC will run a new triple game better especially when tuned properly, but lets not fool ourselves, the price point is still very different and there is a large black hole in the demographic of gamer that would play triple A games that can't or won't spend that kind of money on a PC. It's not a case of if you want to play both Titan Fall but don't want an Xbox one, is a bit like saying I don't want a Prius but I want a car that's good for the environment so I'm gonna spend 200 grand on a Tesla sports car. Of course that's not the next option. right now a PS4 costs $400, an entry level iPad costs $300, but the graphics card that's gonna help you run Titan fall by itself is most likely around $200. Even as a working adult with a decent salary, I am going to scrutinize the timing for when I can or should buy a PC and how much extra is ok to spend so that it can play games. Let's say I work in design and I generally need an industry standard mac book pro, it runs me about $1,800 dollars if I'm frugal. I am not gonna then go buy a gaming PC even if I can get it for $1000 that just doesn't make sense. I'll just pick up a console and play what I can. Sure in the scheme of things that makes me a little bit less "hardcore" but I work at a AAA Gaming publisher, and I do play games even if just for research and even still I have a huge backlog of things I want to play.
I think I've been excited about every new console generation except this one. Both MS and Sony killing backward compatibility was a deal-breaker for me (more so from MS since I have a 360). I'm likely going to be standing pat (though my PC will undoubtedly get an upgrade) for a while.
All that being said, I have to admit that Sony has done more to try to whispering to me that the grass may yet get greener on the other side than MS has. I think Microsoft got too complacent since they did end up being the leader in the previous generation, but maybe that's me. The higher price, forcing the Kinect, the always online DRM...how many missteps can you make right out of the gate?
All that being said, I have to admit that Sony has done more to try to whispering to me that the grass may yet get greener on the other side than MS has. I think Microsoft got too complacent since they did end up being the leader in the previous generation, but maybe that's me. The higher price, forcing the Kinect, the always online DRM...how many missteps can you make right out of the gate?
As a fanboy for the xbox, and as an owner of the xbox one, I am man enough to agree that the PS4 has dominated thus far. However, I will not adhere to the doom and gloom that you see alot of people pushing, that its the end of the xbox, blah blah, garbage, garbage. I believe that this is a very good and healthy thing for the xbox, in the long run, because I believe that competition is a good thing. If Microsoft (which, granted, is NOT doing badly irregardless of what some people want to believe... its still selling very, very well for them) wants to reverse the tables on the PS4 they will have to do some things differently, or better to do so. All of which bodes well for us, the consumers. Whether its putting out a version without the kinect, dropping the prices, making more exclusives, focusing more on games and less on kinect type games... or whatever, ultimately, we the fans will reap the rewards. This is going to be another long generation, and mark my words, the xbox will NOT stay in second place forever. They will surpass the PS4, and take the lead at some point. Then, the PS4 will be forced to raise the bar some more to take back the top spot, and the cycle will continue throughout the lifespan of the two consoles, and ALL of us as gamers will reap the rewards.
That was January. That was not the case in February, or thus far, March. So, at the moment, would be incorrect.TaintedSaint said:
Really saying the PS4 is the best system because it plays old pc indies? IF that's the case then the WII-U must be the best since it plays all the WII games.
Anyway still not going to buy or consider a system "Winning" when it can't scrape together more then 2 "acceptable" full titles in almost 6 months and who knows when after infamous then next one will be.
4 disc games, 1 really bad, one pinball, in 6 months including your console launch is not "an healthy stream of games" No matter what old pc stuff gets ported onto it.
Anyway still not going to buy or consider a system "Winning" when it can't scrape together more then 2 "acceptable" full titles in almost 6 months and who knows when after infamous then next one will be.
4 disc games, 1 really bad, one pinball, in 6 months including your console launch is not "an healthy stream of games" No matter what old pc stuff gets ported onto it.
You will notice that I specifically said "multiplayer service" not "secondary internet based support." There is a big difference. I will agree that PC games virtually always have better secondary internet based support, but multiplayer services on the PC are typically poor. These are two different things.NuclearKangaroo said:
You will also notice that I specifically mentioned the relatively rare case of the extremely successful game. Lol, Dota, CS, and Left for Dead are the exception to the rule. Because they have been so wildly successful they provide good services (though even those games are often only as good as console multiplayer services.) Other games, even high profile games like Diablo 3, Sim City, and Rainbow 6 vegas 2, have often provided us with broken services from day one, requiring significant technical knowledge to overcome the difficulties associated with making it work if they can be made to function at all.
Often we are provided no service at all and are instead given a dedicated server tool, which I actually think is the best solution because there exists no good infrastructure on which to build a multiplayer service. But remember that dedicated servers are not a service and they do not allow for many of the important advantages of a multiplayer service, such as skill based match making, auto balancing, and a click and play multiplayer for those who just want to play their game.
Caiphus said:
Yeah, those numbers are definitely from NPD. I should have mentioned that. However, NPD really is the most reliable research company out there now. VGChartz is not, nor has it even been, a reliable source for international sales. They refuse to even mention which sources they base their statistics on, which seems to be mostly a small selection of retail stores.
So in absence of proper international statistics, I think NPD is a good indication of how the consoles are doing in the currently biggest market for console sales.
Except that Microsoft generated a bigger profit from Xbox One sales than Sony did for their PS4 last month in America, so I'm not sure "stronghold" is the right word.Ed130 The Vanguard said:
Factor in the fact that Xbox One sales stands for less than 3 percent of Microsoft's revenue, saying that Microsoft should even by concerned by this is a bit of a stretch. Sony on the other hand, which is essentially on life support with the PS4 being one of their last, few profitable products, should be worried. Sony is reporting annual loses and are cutting jobs. What I'm saying is that even in a gaming conversation such as this, it's good to have some perspective.
Yeah but I still don't get it. Why create conflicts and fanboy wars where non exist by posting these obviously sensationalist videos that makes bloody YouTube look good? Is it only to generate clicks and page views?Nimzabaat said:Well that's Jim Shil-er-Stirling for you. Only a 7k difference and PS4 is available in 40 more markets than the XB1 is. That's actually kind of pathetic when you think about it.
You have to remember that this is an entertainment website only. This is the last place one should look for informed reporting
It just seems so dumb because in the end, what everyone' should want is a tight competition between these two consoles because that's what's gonna benefit us, the consumers.
So really, we should all just be happy that both these consoles are doing insanely great, which they undoubtedly are.
Sure. i86 is the name of a family of processors, ie the CPU that sits at the heart of your computer. IIRC, i86 chips shot in to dominance because they were cheaper to make than their competitors, despite not being as powerful.Deadcyde said:
i86:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86
i86-64 (the more recent ones)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
There are various other types of processor too, ARM and PowerPC being the main ones. ARM processors are generally used in low-powered devices such as phones and tablets, and PowerPC chips were (and might still be) used in workstations.
Hope this helps.
There is only one problem with that assessment. None of the things you attribute to the original intent of the console, was the POINT of having said mechanisms on the console.the hidden eagle said:
- 24 hour check in was to perform updates when you were not using the console
- Digital media belonging to a device or an account made usage history and device transfer a lot easier.(And you are using the idea of First Sale incorrectly)
- User recognition has nothing to do with spying. Just like FB or Google, it was a way of tailoring the experience to the user. yup, you are correct, easily abused, but to say this was their primary goal is preposterous.
Knee jerk reaction and a bunch of whiny journalists looking for a reason to bash a big company(hell it's not like they don't scrutinize Sony) does not actually prove the hysteria. Being anti consumer does not behoove any large company, and more often than not the perception of being such is a projection brought on by people who either do not understand the technology, or who are entrenched in the status quo.
Steam is not a multiplayer service. Neither is Origin or GOG. I am specifically talking about multiplayer services here. And I specifically did take into account LOL and Blizard's service, noting that sometimes a highly successful game will give good service, but that is the exception to the rule. For most games multiplayer service consists entirely of a list of currently online players who are trying to start a game. Many games don't even have multiplayer service, instead opting for multiplayer to be entirely on player run dedicated servers. (More on this later)bibblles said:
Premium membership for an amateur run single game dedicated server is not comparable to professional level dedicated multiplayer services for nearly every game on a platform. They are completely different things. You aren't even comparing apples and oranges here, you are comparing apples to steak.
And I never claimed they did, though with the new generation of consoles it is becoming more and more common.
I know what dedicated servers are, and I think they are a great tool. I ran a dedicated minecraft server for nearly a year and whenever my group of friends gets a new game I am the one to put together the server. I know their advantages and disadvantages.
So lets make something clear: dedicated servers, while awesome, are not a multiplayer service. They are a multiplayer tool. And as such they do not allow for the many advantages of a multiplayer service, including region wide skill based matchmaking, auto balancing, a region/world wide community of players, a non fragmented player base, and easy click and play multiplayer for those who don't want to spend hours hunting down a dedicated server not run by a bunch of assholes.
Sensationalism and laziness. That's what gets clicks and gets people reading. Clicks = money for websites so as long as they get people up in arms, facts are secondary.TomWiley said:Yeah but I still don't get it. Why create conflicts and fanboy wars where non exist by posting these obviously sensationalist videos that makes bloody YouTube look good? Is it only to generate clicks and page views?Nimzabaat said:Well that's Jim Shil-er-Stirling for you. Only a 7k difference and PS4 is available in 40 more markets than the XB1 is. That's actually kind of pathetic when you think about it.
You have to remember that this is an entertainment website only. This is the last place one should look for informed reporting
It just seems so dumb because in the end, what everyone' should want is a tight competition between these two consoles because that's what's gonna benefit us, the consumers.
So really, we should all just be happy that both these consoles are doing insanely great, which they undoubtedly are.
For me, i'm still on the fence as to which console I may actually buy. Though I agree that healthy competition between the two major companies is good for everybody and hopefully we'll see some damn good games this year or the next.