But there is at least one exception to the rule I can think of, namely Minecraft. It started as a humble little indie game and then exploded and became something I think most gamers have at least played. I know a young kid in my neighborhood who plays it on a tablet. Now if something else could be made with the same level of success that starts out on a console I think it could become a huge asset for Sony or Microsoft. It's completely possible, just unlikely.Jimothy Sterling said:
Jimquisition: Why The PS4 Is Kicking Xbox One's Arse
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Not difficult to swallow, Microsoft's attitude is terrible so far (very much them and Sony swapping positions). Main reason I got the Xbox One first is that it had games I wanted to play on it and I'll get a PS4 when there's more games I want to play on that (not sure when that is as I got to demo Infamous: Second Son, one of the games I'm interested in on PS4, and found it pretty lack luster). Xbox One's set up is pretty terrible at the moment and half the time I just use my Xbox 360 instead (better Youtube app, BBC iPlayer and Sky Player if someone's already in the living room. This desperate battle 'for the living room' Microsoft seems to think it has to engage in completely bemuses me).
>consoles
>still relevant
Paying to play games on the internet, after paying for internet service is not a justifiable model, no matter how much 'free content' they try to add. Both companies are wrong and pathetic so long as this little thing called THE INTERNET exists.
And Jim, the day that indie games influence me to buy a 400-500$ plus piece of tech, is to quote Yahtzee 'the day I swallow razor wire, pull the end out of my ass, and floss myself to death.'
>still relevant
Paying to play games on the internet, after paying for internet service is not a justifiable model, no matter how much 'free content' they try to add. Both companies are wrong and pathetic so long as this little thing called THE INTERNET exists.
And Jim, the day that indie games influence me to buy a 400-500$ plus piece of tech, is to quote Yahtzee 'the day I swallow razor wire, pull the end out of my ass, and floss myself to death.'
I can appreciate the indie love because it's those weird B games (like Katamari Damacy) that keep ps relevant. However, I'm not going to get ps+ or an expensive machine for the couple I would want to play.WeepingAngels said:
The sick thing is that while watching Sony's reveal at E3 I was all ready to pre-order the ps4 and sign up my ps3 to ps+ (if just for the big middle finger they raised to MS that day but really because + could be a good value) until I saw that ps+ would be required for online play. That turned me off right there. Now-a-days with local multiplayer going all but extinct and online multiplayer adding up to more than half the content of some games, you'd be wasting half the money you spend on AAA games if you didn't subscribe to +/live. Also, if I had bought a ps4 at launch and they support it for as long as they predict, it'll really cost me over $900; most of which is spent to play content, I already paid for at the store. It feels like a bully asking for your lunch money.
According to Sony the fee is because they added all the fancy video recording and crap like that. So my question is, why don't they hold those features hostage? The answer I guess is that they expect to make more off the people that will subscribe to ps+ than they will lose off people they've turned off to their brand. I've been a ps customer for a while now, I know its going to start off with all these great features they're working on and how the vita wil bla bla with it but over time they wont be brought up anymore and existing features will start to disappear. Then the constant firmware updates will only futile attempts to combat piracy.
Well, it is compared to all the other territories Xbox One has launched in already. Aside from Austria, Australia, and New Zealand every country it has launched in has a higher population than all Nordic countries combined.SinisterGehe said:
Shouldn't the inhabitants of low-population European countries that don't share an official language with high-population countries just be accustomed to getting consoles later?
What was up with your lighting? The tiny suns you were using made your face glow and I could clearly see the shadows of your hands on your chest. And I don't like the color green. Plus your glasses were different.
You shouldn't change anything, 'cause I don't like things that are different.
On a more serious note: Duh.
The only real contention of fanboyism is to say that "it will always be this way". And you didn't, so only fanboys will call you a fanboy. Additionally (because I saw someone predict this) the Xbox One is shit and everything good you just brought up about the PS4 can be done better on the PC. Mostly because backwards compatibility is a thing.
You shouldn't change anything, 'cause I don't like things that are different.
On a more serious note: Duh.
The only real contention of fanboyism is to say that "it will always be this way". And you didn't, so only fanboys will call you a fanboy. Additionally (because I saw someone predict this) the Xbox One is shit and everything good you just brought up about the PS4 can be done better on the PC. Mostly because backwards compatibility is a thing.
Yes, it's funny to me how people shit on Microsoft for their online paywall (and rightfully so) but give Sony a pass because they were smart enough to get people hooked on PS+ before adding their paywall. There is no doubt in my mind that once they have many more people paying for PS+ they will start dropping some of the sweets.GonzoGamer said:
PS+ operated on the basis that PS+ members were subsidized by people who actually bought the "free" games. That doesn't work when you have many many more gamers not buying games because they are waiting for them to hit PS+.
It's kinda like with adblock, the majority of people look at ads and subsidize the ad free viewing of those who use adblock but when the majority block ads, things have to change.
Well... it is not enough to claim something to make it true; or else this is nothing more than an authoritarian argument. Personally, I only own a PC and a 3DS; I don't care about Nintendo being the best or whatever, and I don't care about console war; but I can spot fanboys pretty easily.EndlessSporadic said:
That's the sort of comparison that's difficult to make for a variety of reasons. On a pure numbers standpoint, launching at roughly the same time of year (mid-November), Microsoft claimed to have shipped about 1.5 million Xbox360s by the end of the year. Sony's numbers on the PS3 are a bit more difficult to quantify; much like with Microsoft, units shipped do not necessarily equate to units sold. However, Sony's claimed numbers pretty closely match those of Microsoft, if slightly higher at around 1.7 million.theApoc said:
In comparison, the Xbox One and PS4 shipped 3 million and 4.2 million consoles over roughly the same period (mid November to Dec 31).
The caveat here is that both the PS3 and Xbox360 experienced significant shortfalls in supply for that period. Microsoft pushed the 360 out in a remarkably short time period (likely a major factor in the whole RROD fiasco), while Sony was faced with a massive shortage of Blu-ray laser emitters.
Odds are that both manufacturers learned their lesson from the previous launch and decided to make sure they had significantly more consoles on hand, and much more reliable supply chains before they started this generation.
Not necessarily. Not all markets are the same size, or have the same amount of enthusiasm for the Microsoft product. The Xbone is already available in the key Xbox-friendly markets, so other territories are likely to result in diminishing returns.Nimzabaat said:
That makes no sense. To say that MS was planning on screwing their customer base, simply because of always online is ridiculous. It was ridiculous when people got up in arms about it last summer, and it is ridiculous now. The only thing people's outrage showed us was that most of the gaming community is dead set on clinging to the past...the hidden eagle said:
You do know that the internet doesn't run on good vibes generated from the pure flow of information, right? Internet based services are run by servers. Servers cost a lot of money. Good servers cost even more. Enough good servers to run a worldwide multiplayer service costs a large fortune. The console providers have a decision to make: provide a shitty, half-assed multiplayer service and destroy the one thing they have going for them over PC (a relatively hassle free experience) or charge a small monthly fee to provide a useful and good service.bibblles said:
And don't say "but the PC does it for free!" because it does not. PC multiplayer service is a joke. Besides a few highly successful titles PC multiplayer service is generally very poor. Many games, even high profile games, barely even function.
If I could pay $5 a month for greatly improved multiplayer on my PC I would do it today and never look back.
I personally disagree.
Xbox One has had more updates and more exclusive games thus far.
Indies are fantastic, but honestly it's not worth buying a console over if you have a half decent PC.
Also as an Australian, Sony hasn't done anything for me yet.
The lack of any servers Australian side makes LIVE worth it for the faster speeds and if the 360/PS3 is any indication prices are cheaper on the store on Xbox One over PS4.
Xbox One has had more updates and more exclusive games thus far.
Indies are fantastic, but honestly it's not worth buying a console over if you have a half decent PC.
Also as an Australian, Sony hasn't done anything for me yet.
The lack of any servers Australian side makes LIVE worth it for the faster speeds and if the 360/PS3 is any indication prices are cheaper on the store on Xbox One over PS4.
Cows go moo, sheep go baa, and the the PS4 kicks Xbox ass. That's all from us here at Obvious News. Stay classy San Diego.
...but it is still nice to hear again
Particularly since my older brother thought he knew games consoles and was convinced that the Xbox would come out on top. He has since stopped keeping up with such stuff but it's nice to know that I freaking called it.
...but it is still nice to hear again
Particularly since my older brother thought he knew games consoles and was convinced that the Xbox would come out on top. He has since stopped keeping up with such stuff but it's nice to know that I freaking called it.
What? Playstation Plus and the PS4's indie library are why Sony is kicking ass? I disagree.
I believe it's the $100 price difference and the "softcore" gamer's conception of the PS4 being more "powerful". Anecdotal evidence; my roommate who plays CoD and only CoD every once in a while plans on buying a PS4. He still thinks PS4's multiplayer is free. I'm not going to correct him because it'll piss him off when he finds out for himself and that'll be funny. It's only funny because we're such good friends and he's poor and going through university. Don't worry, his parents are rich as shit, he just wants to do it on his own.
Anyways, I think Titanfall is THE system seller and THE CoD killer. It's enough of a reason to buy the One over a PS4. Watch One sales increase rapidly over the next couple months.
I believe it's the $100 price difference and the "softcore" gamer's conception of the PS4 being more "powerful". Anecdotal evidence; my roommate who plays CoD and only CoD every once in a while plans on buying a PS4. He still thinks PS4's multiplayer is free. I'm not going to correct him because it'll piss him off when he finds out for himself and that'll be funny. It's only funny because we're such good friends and he's poor and going through university. Don't worry, his parents are rich as shit, he just wants to do it on his own.
Anyways, I think Titanfall is THE system seller and THE CoD killer. It's enough of a reason to buy the One over a PS4. Watch One sales increase rapidly over the next couple months.
WE got PS4 the same day as everyone else.... And no! Xbox360/PS4 came on their release dates. X1 Has been delayed TWICE and apparently will be delayed AGAIN!Eldritch Warlord said:
And if Nordic countries is such an issue. Then why don't they give us Nordic release. The OS's are primarily in English anyway. Localization shouldn't be an issue. No one localizes any console to Finnish language. It is universally agreed to be waste of time even by Finns.
Xbox has NO right to whine about Bad sales. Release more expensive console LATER. It just wont sell.
I have a mate who works at Anttila department store (One of the official retailers of Xbox products). And since the last delaye notification they received refund demands for ~50% of pre orders from that local store (And that is full refund which they got due to law).
If course you could go and buy them imported version of XboxOne from mainland Europe. English OS everything apparently works fine. Except there is no support or guarantees that the Live service will work.
I don't think either one is pulling ahead. I don't have either and think they're both mediocre for the price right now.
Wow, PS4 has indie games. I totally can't play those on PC.
XBone has a cable box? What a coincidence, I also have one of those.
Exclusives? A bunch of sequels and "new IPs" that seem like sequels to other games.
It's funny, people keep knocking the XBone for pushing the streaming and movies, but most of my Xbox 360 friends are on Netflix all the time. Streaming movies and TV are what people are doing, maybe MS is on to something. Of course, that will never earn you respect on a videogame website, but I wonder how many PS4 owners out there are also just watching Netflix and Hulu most of the time.
Wow, PS4 has indie games. I totally can't play those on PC.
XBone has a cable box? What a coincidence, I also have one of those.
Exclusives? A bunch of sequels and "new IPs" that seem like sequels to other games.
It's funny, people keep knocking the XBone for pushing the streaming and movies, but most of my Xbox 360 friends are on Netflix all the time. Streaming movies and TV are what people are doing, maybe MS is on to something. Of course, that will never earn you respect on a videogame website, but I wonder how many PS4 owners out there are also just watching Netflix and Hulu most of the time.