Yes, that is one reason that it is a massive failure, but there are a lot of others. It might help to go through all of them. Pissing off all game devs and focusing on an unimpressive gimmick that raises the price too high are also reasons.TizzytheTormentor said:
Jimquisition: Why The PS4 Is Kicking Xbox One's Arse
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Our dollar is not what it was when the console launched. It annoys me that they're doing this (since I haven't gotten a PS4 yet) but it does make sense. Besides, it's still cheaper than the xbone and, for all the reasons that Jim just listed, it's a much better console.Mangod said:
But see, if your friend is poor then he'd be better off with PS+ since it's only $5 a month vs. XBLG's $10 a month.rasputin0009 said:
I mean if your friend is in such a financial predicament that he can't even afford what amounts to a cup of coffee from Starbucks once every 30 days then perhaps spending hundreds of dollars on a new system isn't the wisest thing to do.
If he's looking for a CoD fix he should buy a PS3 since the price for even a new system would save him hundreds compared to a new PS4. Also he'd still be able to play the PS3 versions of CoD online for free.
As a 'good friend' I'd think you'd want to help him with such suggestions instead of letting him spend so much money only to be upset with what he bought.
Good episode! This just comforts me in my decision to let my Xbox Live subscription fall by the wayside. While the price hike for us Canucks does suck, waiting a couple years should allow me to consider grabbing myself a PS4 at a markdown and with a more furnished selection of AAA games.
Not to mention the fact that I *love* the idea of the PS4 serving as a convenient screening and streaming window for Indie content. My Consoles-or-Die cousin would never have played Outlast if not for the PS4's strategy towards Indies, and I really have to thank Sony for letting me watch my young twentysomething fool of a relative crap his pants in broad daylight.
Knack isn't excusable but, eh. Seems to me like they've got a solid roster ahead of them anyways.
Not to mention the fact that I *love* the idea of the PS4 serving as a convenient screening and streaming window for Indie content. My Consoles-or-Die cousin would never have played Outlast if not for the PS4's strategy towards Indies, and I really have to thank Sony for letting me watch my young twentysomething fool of a relative crap his pants in broad daylight.
Knack isn't excusable but, eh. Seems to me like they've got a solid roster ahead of them anyways.
You haven't been to the internet much have you?DrOswald said:
I'm not sure where to start with this so I'll just go in order.
You're right about one thing. The internet does not run on 'good vibes.' It does indeed run on money, usually through ads. And if you've ever been to a player hosted dedicated server(remember this word "dedicated server" I'll return to this point later), you'll probably have noticed the ads that play when you enter the server, and their 'perks' for members of the community that contribute. So yea, sometimes its better to pay, but you're paying a trifle of what these giant corporations charge, for none of their bullshit, and a much better and more creative and involving community. Not that xbox live and psn don't have communities, but having grown out of my teens, I find the language and behavior in these communities to be lackluster at best, and a good example for human extinction at worst.
You mentioned 'pc multiplayer service is a joke' and I'd like to know what planet you're living on that you think this is a logical sentence. It is most definitely not a joke. If you look at the steam statistics alone, you'll find evidence contrary. That's not taking Origin, LOL, GOG and Blizzard's services into account. PC multiplayer is not a joke, it crushes the consoles in every event, and in most cases it crushes them while not being a 'pay to play' service with gated content and restrictions on modding (not cheating, i'm talking custom maps, and games revived from the dead by the community), it's a free and open ecosystem, something Microsoft and Sony seem to hate and fear.
If you want you can pay 5$ a month, any community server would gladly welcome you and make you a premium member on their DEDICATED SERVERS for that cost. And this is the last and most important thing. DEDICATED SERVERS, something completely alien in the console world. And something that has ruined so many console games. A dedicated computer, just running the game server, consoles rely on Peer to Peer services. These giant servers you mentioned above? DO NOT RUN THE GAMES YOU PLAY. They host content and multiplayer matchmaking. Meanwhile, dedicated servers on the PC side mean that you have a stable connection to every game, and you can filter to find games where you will have very low latency when you play. If someone leaves the game it doesn't kill everyone's fun. And where consoles struggle to coordinate 16 players total, PCs and their dedicated servers have no problem hosting 32 or even 60+ players in the same game, because the machines that are playing the game don't also have to host it, that computational load is taken off of the client machines and put onto one large host machine called the 'dedicated server.' And remember, these are free on the PC side of things, so is everything else these consoles gate off.
Whilst, obviously, the PC still does basically everything these consoles do, but, better, it's good to see the PS4 is understanding its role better than the Xbone is.
At this stage, a lot of companies and people are realising that PC hardware is cheap enough to build into a TV, it's cheap enough that practically everyone at least has a laptop, a tablet or some form of device which can connect to the internet.
You don't need a console for Netflix, "TV", or any of that crap. You've already got those on other devices, the idea of paying for it especially on this box you bought to play games is just silly.
So, it seems Sony understands that people turn on their game box to play games, they've engaged with digital downloads on a reasonable level, the indie support is pretty acceptable, whilst only a speck compared to the PC, it's still miles ahead of the Xbone's attempts. And all along, they seem to have marketed themselves as "A box you play games on" rather than "TV, TV, TV, Kinect".
Also, being cheaper helps a lot.
At this stage, a lot of companies and people are realising that PC hardware is cheap enough to build into a TV, it's cheap enough that practically everyone at least has a laptop, a tablet or some form of device which can connect to the internet.
You don't need a console for Netflix, "TV", or any of that crap. You've already got those on other devices, the idea of paying for it especially on this box you bought to play games is just silly.
So, it seems Sony understands that people turn on their game box to play games, they've engaged with digital downloads on a reasonable level, the indie support is pretty acceptable, whilst only a speck compared to the PC, it's still miles ahead of the Xbone's attempts. And all along, they seem to have marketed themselves as "A box you play games on" rather than "TV, TV, TV, Kinect".
Also, being cheaper helps a lot.
I don't think Microsoft will be complaining about low sales numbers, lately they're bragging about how Xbox One is their most successful console launch. [http://news.xbox.com/2014/03/xbox-february-npd]SinisterGehe said:
Microsoft claims that localization issues with Kinect are the reason for the delay. [http://www.joystiq.com/2013/08/27/report-xbox-one-regional-delays-due-to-kinect-localization-issu/] They may well give up on that and release without voice support, but I can see why they would want that heavily advertized feature to be usable day one. Likely they think that positive word-of-mouth based on voice controls will generate more sales than those lost by those dissatisfied by delays. Another consideration is negative word-of-mouth from poor voice support.
It's not just a matter of translating things into Finnish by the way, voice recognition is affected by accents. They still need to localize to "English in Finnish Accent" if they decide not to support Finnish language.
Personally I think that launching with an very obvious advisement in the box saying that voice support has not been vetted for the region would be their best option, but I have no expertise in Sales or Marketing. People are largely stupid after all so they may well get angry anyway.
One game? One game that's also on PC? One game that will also be coming out on 360? Don't get me wrong, I haven't gotten a PS4 yet because I play a lot of the awesome Indie games Jim was mentioning on my PC. I'm waiting for more of their bigger games to come out. I just don't see why someone would buy a system for one game that they can also get on their old console or PC if it's good enough.rasputin0009 said:
Funny you mention that, one of the reasons I was considering ps+ is because I was noticing that by the time I got around to renting some ps3 AAA games, they were already on +.WeepingAngels said:
It really isn't a bad value right now but yes, how long can that last if people are just paying Sony. It's not as bad as adblock because I'm sure sony gives the publishers money but if they're having problems staying afloat selling games for $60 a pop, who knows how long they can last on the trickle down.
For me it's purely the indignant nature of the whole thing. I already pay the cable company more than enough for my internet, if Sony wants a cut, they can bother those pigs.
id like to know in what reality you live, because i cant comprehend how "PC multiplayer service is generally very poor"DrOswald said:
there are games that are more than a decade old with working online on PC, such as starcraft and CS 1.6, not only that but PC host some of the biggest multiplayer games ever, games such as world of tanks, dota 2 and of course the most played game on earth, League of Legends
not to mention that as far as online functionality goes Steam provides the entire package for free and it even puts consoles to shame in many aspects such as:
-dedicated hubs for every single game, with forums, guides, screenshots and artwork
-trading cards, along with badges emoticons and profile backgrounds
-community market for selling ingame items and trading cards
-trading of course
-the steam workshop which allows for easy installing of mods
all this for free
Forgive me for not watching the video, but is that 449 Canadian Dollars or 449 USD (because the conversion rate between Canadian and US dollars lines up perfectly for those two figures)? And btw, all them lovely prices stated in USD are simply converted 1:1 to Euros here in Europe, so we get to pay 400 euros (557 USD) if we want a PS4...Mangod said:
This is something I call one of the biggest paradoxes in gaming. Microsoft should be doing everything in their power to promote the PC ecosystem as superior. Why? Because Microsoft is a company that makes the majority of its money making Operating Systems for PCs.bibblles said:
Microsoft should be doing everything they can to promote the PC as a superior gaming platform over consoles. The prevalence of gaming available exclusively for the Windows platform is one of the main reasons why Windows achieved its monopoly. Now that market share erodes daily over to Apple and Linux as Microsoft flounders in its support for PC gaming, offering half baked applications (Games For Windows Live, lol) and empty platitudes about how they "care" about PC gaming as they barely release anything there. Or if they do, it's shoddy PC ports.
It makes no sense for Microsoft to be in the gaming space. They are actively competing with themselves, and screwing their company over the long term. Gaming makes up a very small fraction of Microsoft's overall revenues, most of which come from Windows and enterprise suites for Windows. Fanboys rage whenever you say that Microsoft should be selling the Xbox division but any serious thought about the topic indicates it's something that must be done.
I generally just lurk, but I had to comment on this. And all I can say is PC! My PC with all new parts when it was bought 2 years ago runs games that are just now coming out at max settings at 1080p resolution with 60+ FPS, while also playing games from 1995 with little to no hassle (usually no hassle, as in, I install them, they work), and games even older than that with some to little hassle (dosbox is about as "hassle-full" as it gets and really, once you've take the 10-30 mins to figure out how it works the first time you use it, it's never a hassle after that).Deathlyphil said:
So yeah. The only reason the consoles don't have backwards compatibility is because the people making the consoles don't want you to have it. It's as simple as that.
Sony picked a pretty bad time to do this, as retailers in Canada are known for price gouging in the last five years when we had dollar parity. Everything else in this country also costs an arm and a leg, perticularly with books, clothing, food, and other essentials because they were priced when it was 68 cents to the US dollar, then again they conveniently 'forgot' to lower those prices when we got US dollar parity. There would be riots in the streets if Americans were suddenly forced to pay 24 dollars for a case of budweiser, or 1.30 per litre of gasoline (about 4.94$ per gallon), but those are the prices here. Its certainly not for the difficulty of shipping, as I can litterally see America from my damn house on a clear day and retailers are expecting me to magically believe it is easier to ship all the way to Florida than it is to British Columbia when it is all Chinese made anyways? Bull. Even the Conservatives are starting to give these retailers hell and setup parlimentary investegations, as there is likely going to be a leftward swing in the next federal election (or at very least a Conservative minority) and even Harper will throw the people gouging Canadians to the wolves to save his own skin.
On top of it all, everything around here magically went up 10% again the moment the CDN/USD weakened. They sure seemed to be in a hurry to jack the prices, but not actually lower them. I'll bet 50 bucks that Sony will conveniently 'forget' to lower the system price when the CDN gets to parity again.
EDIT: this pisses me off because I really, really have been wanting to get a PS4. I haven't been able to find a single one on the shelves in three months, and now a price hike has been announced. Not a happy camper on the matter.
On top of it all, everything around here magically went up 10% again the moment the CDN/USD weakened. They sure seemed to be in a hurry to jack the prices, but not actually lower them. I'll bet 50 bucks that Sony will conveniently 'forget' to lower the system price when the CDN gets to parity again.
EDIT: this pisses me off because I really, really have been wanting to get a PS4. I haven't been able to find a single one on the shelves in three months, and now a price hike has been announced. Not a happy camper on the matter.
... and hopefully one day we'll have a proper discussion on the matter without some elements of the PC fanbase just making me give up reading from all the 'but we are SOOOOOO much better' speeches going around.
The subject was X-Box One and the PS4. Did you REALLY need to come here and *AGAIN* state how superior the PC is to both?
I can't believe I once used to be like that...
The subject was X-Box One and the PS4. Did you REALLY need to come here and *AGAIN* state how superior the PC is to both?
I can't believe I once used to be like that...
Some people haven't realized that if they're asking the question "Why would I ever play this on a console when it's better on PC?" that you are NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR CONSOLES. You have a PC. You can afford a PC. You know how to use a PC.Iwata said:
Things make so much more sense when you figure that out.
It already has made a big leap in sales:TizzytheTormentor said:
http://hexus.net/gaming/news/industry/67457-xbox-one-console-sales-boosted-96-per-cent-titanfall-launch/
Not entirely sure, I think people were just really ready for the next gen, and it has mostly been pushed as X1, particularly on IGN and Gamespot, and in more widespread marketing such as TV spots, which is where the vast majority of the market is. Most people are not what you would describe as an enthusiast, they certainly aren't going to be found on the Escapist, if you're lucky they may check IGN every now and then.
Jim forgot to mention the fact that the X360 was abandoned by MS years ago and people are probably taking notice that the best they have to offer for their new console are games that are basically re-purposed 360 games. Can't imagine being a 360 only gamer and watching another platform offer 4 times the content AND access to year long trials of games.