Joe Biden's double digit polling lead.

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While I think it could be possible for Biden to get momentum here due to the "Never Trumpers Bush supporting Republicans" stronghold here, I still don't think Cornyn will lose his seat. I would LOVE it for him to lose his seat, but I'm not holding my breath considering what I see on the ground here. The pro Trump Evangelicals are still pretty strong here, and I am not convinced that rural Texas has gained enough other populations in the right places in order to oust the loony far right GOP in those regions. We have some serious crazies here in office in Texas, of the whole " Obama was a gay prostitute Muslim" variety that actually hold high offices within the party, so if they can still be getting elected, I am not seeing how we can have enough votes in those regions to actually elect someone sane at this point. Democrats holding the cities alone is not enough to flip the state due to how it is divided and the size of rural Texas.
I'm skeptical of Cornyn losing as well. Trump generally underperforms most mainstream Republican politicians, so even if Trump miraculously loses Texas (again, I feel it's unlikely, but not an impossibility), I suspect most GOP candidates will not be impacted enough to shift their race by more than 5 points.
 

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Trump has retweeted a video of a supporter of his shouting, "White power".

Lol. "The footage showed supporters and opponents of the president hurling abuse and swearing at one another."

So after a bunch of cringey old people sing Happy Birthday to Trump, and between the expletives being thrown at this creepy parade by equally cringey old protesters, someone asks "Where's your white hood, racist?" And the guy in the cart responds, 100% facetiously, "yeah you got it, white power". Should the president retweet that video? No. Does that video make Trump supporters look worse than the people protesting them? Lol, no. Is the media as full of crap as ever? Abso-freaking-lutely.

For those interested in the video since the tweet is down:
If you make it through the singing without breaking whatever device is playing the video, it's just several minutes of old Democrats verbally abusing old Republicans.
 

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Jesus Christ on a fucking pogo stick...

Is facing the truth that you support a racist really that hard for you? Or do you think the rest of us are stupid enough to just take you at your word here?

Trump's tweet was NOT that full video. It was a very cut-down version that you've purposefully decided to hide.

Trump's tweet (as a captured image):

The tweet that you can very clearly see he was retweeting:

Funny how different that context makes this...

Why did you lie about something so easy to prove wrong?
 
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Funny how different that context makes this... Any response on why you decided to lie?
Literally 0% difference. They cut out the happy birthday song.
It's still two minutes of people screaming expletives at Trump supporters, that the BBC characterized as "supporters and opponents of the president hurling abuse and swearing at one another." It's still an old man saying "white power" expressly at the expense of angry old white protesters.

You find me where I supported Trump in that post, I'll give you a nickel. My point is that the media is sick and dishonest, and I at least showed you the source video in the way I found it, where the BBC couldn't be bothered.
 

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You find me where I supported Trump in that post, I'll give you a nickel. My point is that the media is sick and dishonest, and I at least showed you the source video in the way I found it, where the BBC couldn't be bothered.
Whilst I can accept that it's hardly Trump actively calling for white power, it's nothing if not an indication that he's a dozy old fool who doesn't bother to properly check (or let someone else with half a brain check) his social media posts before his fat, stubby little digit hits the post button.

And bluntly, that's much like how he runs the country, too. Except thankfully, he can't press the "do it" button without his decision being filtered through someone with an idea what's actually going on first.
 

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I see nothing but more evidence of why we should do a small genocide on the villages.
 

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It's still two minutes of people screaming expletives at Trump supporters, that the BBC characterized as "supporters and opponents of the president hurling abuse and swearing at one another." It's still an old man saying "white power" expressly at the expense of angry old white protesters.
Why assume facetiousness?

On second viewing, it could be facetious, it could not be. It takes some monumental idiocy to joke about that in the wake of numerous murders of black people in the US and subsequent BLM protests. It's an extremely sensitive, volatile time.

It could be. The man in question might just be the most tone-deaf individual on the planet. But we also know there are out-and-out white supremacists among Trump's supporters, and they've been much more vocal than during campaigns for any previous US Presidential candidate, probably since Goldwater. So what makes you so sure? Tone of voice?
 

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Why assume facetiousness?

On second viewing, it could be facetious, it could not be. It takes some monumental idiocy to joke about that in the wake of numerous murders of black people in the US and subsequent BLM protests. It's an extremely sensitive, volatile time.

It could be. The man in question might just be the most tone-deaf individual on the planet. But we also know there are out-and-out white supremacists among Trump's supporters, and they've been much more vocal than during campaigns for any previous US Presidential candidate, probably since Goldwater. So what makes you so sure? Tone of voice?
Goldwater? I... what? You think of Goldwater as the last super racist presidential campaign? I would be fairly confident they liked Nixon or Reagan a good deal more, but I feel it’s more likely that the actual Klan just supported the 3rd party Dixiecrats at the time.
 

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Goldwater? I... what? You think of Goldwater as the last super racist presidential campaign? I would be fairly confident they liked Nixon or Reagan a good deal more, but I feel it’s more likely that the actual Klan just supported the 3rd party Dixiecrats at the time.
I don't think the campaigns since Goldwater's haven't been pretty damn racist. But I'd say Goldwater was more explicit than Reagan and Nixon.
 

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I don't think the campaigns since Goldwater's haven't been pretty damn racist. But I'd say Goldwater was more explicit than Reagan and Nixon.
Yeah, but the white supremacists themselves were a hell of a lot more vocal in 68’ than in 64’, and they probably like Reagan more than Goldwater.
 

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Yeah, but the white supremacists themselves were a hell of a lot more vocal in 68’ than in 64’, and they probably like Reagan more than Goldwater.
If you say so. I'm an outside observer. This is an unimportant part of the post.
 

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If you say so. I'm an outside observer. This is an unimportant part of the post.
BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME AS A WEIRDO WHO CARES A LOT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF FASCISM
 

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Why assume facetiousness?

On second viewing, it could be facetious, it could not be. It takes some monumental idiocy to joke about that in the wake of numerous murders of black people in the US and subsequent BLM protests. It's an extremely sensitive, volatile time.

It could be. The man in question might just be the most tone-deaf individual on the planet. But we also know there are out-and-out white supremacists among Trump's supporters, and they've been much more vocal than during campaigns for any previous US Presidential candidate, probably since Goldwater. So what makes you so sure? Tone of voice?
What makes me so sure is the circumstance. See more below. And yes, old people in Florida aren't known for their diplomatic talent, they are 100% tone deaf. And I'm confident you know everything I have to say about Goldwater and all that, so I'll let it slide cause we don't need to re-dredge the southern strategy debate every thread.
Because it's always the first line of defense for people who say and do shitty things but don't want to be held accountable for them.
It's not the same when it's a response. If this guy zipped around in a golf cart yelling white power unprovoked, I'd be inclined to take him at his word. If he then said it was just a joke, that doesn't change my perception. But it was an instigated statement, it was a response to being accused of being in the klan. Saying something offensive out of nowhere and then calling it a joke is crap behavior, saying something offensive because someone is accusing you of being that offensive thing isn't the same, that line is at the accuser's expense.

If I were to come in and start accusing the communists among us of being genocidal maniacs, and someone responded "Yeah, you got it, bring on the gulags," I'm gonna say they're also taking the piss like this guy was. If, however, someone volunteers this line:
I see nothing but more evidence of why we should do a small genocide on the villages.
I'm inclined to take them at their word.