John Carmack Insists New Consoles Will Run Games at 30fps
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The difference between 30fps and 60fps is, at least for most people, less visual and more tactile. If you've been playing a particular game or even a genre of game for long enough you can feel the difference in the quality of your own control between the two.
Though to be honest, I'm surprised so many people claim they can't tell it visually anyway... maybe it's just an experience thing. I've only been gaming on PC for about 2 and a half years and in that time I went from a very very slow laptop to a relatively beefy desktop, and since then I've been playing older FPSs on lower settings in the high hundreds of frames. By now I can honestly tell if the fast games are only going at 90 fps instead of 120. It obviously can't be a visual difference on a 60Hz monitor but there is a noticeable drop in mouse smoothness and tiny frame jitters that make walking less smooth (not that you'd be able to pick that up with the absurd amount of view bobbing most current PC games have). Anyway I'm rambling again, but my point is: really? PC users make up the biggest platform portion on this site but very few people seem to mind 30fps.
Though to be honest, I'm surprised so many people claim they can't tell it visually anyway... maybe it's just an experience thing. I've only been gaming on PC for about 2 and a half years and in that time I went from a very very slow laptop to a relatively beefy desktop, and since then I've been playing older FPSs on lower settings in the high hundreds of frames. By now I can honestly tell if the fast games are only going at 90 fps instead of 120. It obviously can't be a visual difference on a 60Hz monitor but there is a noticeable drop in mouse smoothness and tiny frame jitters that make walking less smooth (not that you'd be able to pick that up with the absurd amount of view bobbing most current PC games have). Anyway I'm rambling again, but my point is: really? PC users make up the biggest platform portion on this site but very few people seem to mind 30fps.
most of games made winth console as primary objective turned out badly on PC. a good example is "Frozen planet extreme condition". the port was so bad it gave you controller tutorials on pc version..... it would tell me to press circle to shoot.Milanezi said:
with next gen consoles we will have: FPS locked the same, graphics catching up to CURRENT PC graphics. due to the increase obsession with "Graphics = win" we wont have more content, because graphics will take over all the work. notice that in a lnog series, usually when they make the jump to be more "Graphically attractive" content level drops significantly. they jstu cant make so much content with good graphics, and god forbid they would never sacrifice a shiny riple effect for better gameplay.
Never heard of "frozen whatever", not gonna lie, I'm not a computer wizard, but have nothing against playing games on PC/Mac, it's just that I really prefer the "obviousness" of consoles lolStrazdas said:
But more to the point, I do think that graphics are important, but they're not the almighty either. I remember seeing Far Cry 2 as a beautiful game, but never really enjoyed it, everything else was frustrating in my opinion. On the other hand, Braid twisted my mind, I loved that game, as well as Shadow Complex, both were games of "simpler" graphics that just got the "entertainment" part right.
As I said, I'm no wizard, but i dare say that graphics are used as a "measure" to check which platform is stronger, and maybe that's alright, I'm guilty of being all like "WOW! This bastard looks just like a real human being!!!" and then playing anything that will really entertain me, even if it looks "simplistic" (not ugly, which is just cheap and wrong).
SOrry, i did a mistake here, its called Lost Planet: Extreme Condition [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Planet:_Extreme_Condition] and it has a lot of cold frozen stages so i mixed it up.Milanezi said:
What "obviuosness" you talk about?
Hahaha That game I do know, but never played. By "obviousness" I mean "stick the disc and play", every time I bought something for the PC I'd spend hours figuring out how far I could push the graphics and other stuff, knowing it could be better made me crazy, and some times I'd even get a game to run at max, but it would get all lagged, and the a freind would say something like "that's because your card is good at this but not at that". In fewer words, the console (and most of the times the iMac) are an enclosed package and you get what you get, it's simpler when you're not into messing with the game's and PC's capabilitiesStrazdas said:
that used to be true before. now its put disc in, install, launch game. as for graphic settings, i take care of those in 2 minutes (but that could be because i know my PC capabilities). If your not one of those who buy everything as soon as it comes out, theres no point trying max settings as those are created for people who are mad about pc, so it lags. but even setting it so it doesn't lag for you ends up better than what console can perform. and consoles lag too, i had a very "fun" experience playing prototype on xbox. i liked the game though so i got it for PC.Milanezi said:Hahaha That game I do know, but never played. By "obviousness" I mean "stick the disc and play", every time I bought something for the PC I'd spend hours figuring out how far I could push the graphics and other stuff, knowing it could be better made me crazy, and some times I'd even get a game to run at max, but it would get all lagged, and the a freind would say something like "that's because your card is good at this but not at that". In fewer words, the console (and most of the times the iMac) are an enclosed package and you get what you get, it's simpler when you're not into messing with the game's and PC's capabilitiesStrazdas said:
Frankly i have never had a game that would give me launch errors and have to go search for a "hot fix" and so on, although judging by amount of support forums it happens frequently. I did have a problem with Civ 4, thats a funny story actually. First time installed and everything worked perfectly. second time installed and everything but animations worked (fine, dont need them, kept on playing). third time installed game crashes at launch. manually set the settings to start in windowed mode - everything works flawlessly. fine playing in windowed mode. 4th installment - works like the first. 5th installment - like third. it is as if the game cant make up its mind
.Now, to each his own. i hate consoles with a passion, they became obsolete with invention of home PC, but they seem to have a large userbase so i guess some people need them.
