Kopikatsu said:
Black Widow probably shouldn't exist in the first place. Nor Hawkeye for that matter.
You have a super soldier, a being with literally infinite strength, a God who can control lightning, the smartest man on earth that has one of the most advanced suits of armor on the planet verses... a guy who can aim good and a woman who has some spy training. Woo. Exciting.
Just cut Black Widow and Hawkeye from the roster. Feminists don't have to put up with a 'poor' portrayal of a female character and the Avengers plot lines don't have to be flubbed just to provide something for the non-supers on the team to contribute. Everyone wins.
I wholeheartedly disagree. While they do seem out of place in power-level, they have really only been fielded in situations where they are useful. No one (including BW and Hawkeye) expects them to stand toe to toe with for example loki, but they can be very handy in large scale fights, like vs the aliens in the first Avengers.
Also, they provide a much needed stepping point for the audience. Its easier to empathize when we can empathize with someone that are in similar shoes.
I was actually very impressed with the usage of BW in Avengers 1 and Hawkeye in Avengers 2. BW had some brilliant seductive scenes, and even if she is eye-candy, she is SUPPOSED to be, its and actual part of her character and strength, instead of being just a bimbo written in for the sake of boobs. BW outplayed Loki, and her agility and focus earned the avengers the possibility to close the portal. Hawkeye killed plenty of aliens, got loki out of the fight for a bit with a well placed arrow, and called out battle tactics and scouting info for Iron Man to use.
Black widow also had a couple of other brilliant scenes in the first one, when she "captured" the hulk, and when she was wounded beside Banner and he changed. Her fear made it clear that the Hulk was his own...person...and not a team player.
I also found the second movies focus on Hawkeyes family great. It grounded the movie in some much needed down to earth stuff, and made the promise of a life after the costume. Hawkeye was the only one "grounded" enough to be "that guy" and it worked splendidly.
About Joss: Feminists can fuck the hell off. I dont know the deal on twitter is, since I dont waste my time with it, but they must be mad about something. WHAT they are mad about I really cant say. Black Widow is a great female character, she actually IS a character, instead of being boobs on legs, and she has had actual roles to play in all the movies she's been in. Iron Man (keeping tabs on him for Fury), Captain America (spying for Fury, and ultimately teaming up with Cap, and going undercover in the overtaken Shield base), Avengers (as said before) and Avengers 2. While she was pretty meh in A2, I cant imagine why feminist would have an issue. She had a (imo) very interesting off-screen romance with hulk, and I'd never have believed it, but it worked like hell for me. And it resulted in the GREAT scene with the hulk in the end of the movie, up in the ship.
Joss is behind stuff like Buffy, Firefly, Doll House (or whatever it was called, I never got around to watching that one), he is more or less renowned for writing strong female characters. If feminists have chased him off anything...they are attacking the wrong fucking people.
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