Joss Whedon deletes twitter account following mass of feminist criticism

[Tilly]

Why? He categorically said the idea that it was down to feminists was, and I quote, "horseshit".

The thread title is still misleading.

Well because it seems like a bit too much of a coincidence. What other reason could there be? Anything else, surely he'd just avoid going on twitter or post that he'd be away for a while. Deleting your account seems like something you do out of anger.

 

[Silvanus]

Well because it seems like a bit too much of a coincidence. What other reason could there be? Anything else, surely he'd just avoid going on twitter or post that he'd be away for a while. Deleting your account seems like something you do out of anger.

It could be the reason he said it was: he was just sick of twitter. Lots of people delete their twitter accounts without being hounded off by radical feminists.

For what it's worth, someone could probably quite easily create collages containing conservative abuse people have received (or abuse from any other political direction). The sheer volume of tweets on Twitter mean you could create a collage to illustrate almost anything, and give the false impression it's some massive dominant trend.

EDIT: Really, if we're even disregarding it when the subject himself dismisses this speculation, then we're past the point of reason, and may as well believe whatever we want. Feminists shot J.R., too, y'know.

 

[Tilly]

It could be the reason he said it was: he was just sick of twitter. Lots of people delete their twitter accounts without being hounded off by radical feminists.

For what it's worth, someone could probably quite easily create collages containing conservative abuse people have received (or abuse from any other political direction). The sheer volume of tweets on Twitter mean you could create a collage to illustrate almost anything, and give the false impression it's some massive dominant trend.

EDIT: Really, if we're even disregarding it when the subject himself dismisses this speculation, then we're past the point of reason, and may as well believe whatever we want. Feminists shot J.R., too, y'know.

Right, sick of twitter and just happened to get sick of it after loads of idiots were attacking him for his movie? Lol, that's like punching someone in the face and then them just claiming that they often get nosebleeds and your fist had nothing to do with it.
Of course plenty of other movements have equally bad trolls. No idea what that has to do with it! None of them were attacking him. The crazy conservatives are current busy attacking some news lady for saying Chris Kyle was a terrorist or some such madness.

 

[COMaestro]

Why? He categorically said the idea that it was down to feminists was, and I quote, "horseshit".

The thread title is still misleading.

Well because it seems like a bit too much of a coincidence. What other reason could there be? Anything else, surely he'd just avoid going on twitter or post that he'd be away for a while. Deleting your account seems like something you do out of anger.

Could it be exactly what Joss wrote: ?The real issue is me,? he said. ?Twitter is an addictive little thing, and if it?s there, I gotta check it. When you keep doing something after it stops giving you pleasure, that?s kind of rock bottom for an addict. ? I just had a little moment of clarity where I?m like, You know what? If I want to get stuff done, I need to not constantly hit this thing for a news item or a joke or some praise, and then be suddenly sad when there?s hate and then hate and then hate.?

In other words, the man did not have the self control to not keep checking Twitter, so he deleted his account to remove the temptation to do so. QED.

 

[Tilly]

Simple explanation for wanting some quiet is deleting twitter?

What happened to the traditional solution of just closing windows, getting up from computers or ignoring sites? Last time I checked, you are actually allowed to just not use the site for a while.

He does have an obvious reason not to admit he was upset at the backlash: he's a feminist. He doesn't want to make the movement look crazy.

 

[happyninja42]

I think the big stink was back Black Widow was sterilized and the movie beats everyone over the head why..

What? It was mentioned twice, in the vague dream sequence and in detail to Banner. And that was it.

The complaint I've heard about that part, is that she equates not being able to have a child with "being a monster". She even says that to Bruce. "Who's the monster now". Which I think (rightly) annoys people, since it seems to imply that if you can't have children you are inhuman/monstrous. Which is kind of insulting to all the women who are infertile for one reason or another.

Though I've heard others say that they felt that scene was HEAVILY edited, and that the context of the "who's the monster now" line might've been lost in editing. And I hope this is the case, because I remember being in the theater when she said that and thinking "what the hell? That makes no sense to equate those two things." I mean if she wants to think she's a monster, ok fine, but make it be for a reason that makes sense, like, you know, all the people she murdered as a trained assassin. Not simply because you can't squeeze a little bundle out of your own womb. I mean come on, she could adopt just fine, and still be a mommy that way. Nothing wrong with adoption.

 

[Laser Priest]

Right, sick of twitter and just happened to get sick of it after loads of idiots were attacking him for his movie? Lol, that's like punching someone in the face and then them just claiming that they often get nosebleeds and your fist had nothing to do with it.

It also happened right after the release of his big, new movie, which is about the time someone who wants quiet to start writing again would actually have the opportunity to have some quiet. But hey, why let such a simple explanation and Joss Whedon himself's view on the matter get in the way of you speaking for him?

Hey now, these people just want to criticize an entire movement regardless of facts. No need to bring factual matters or suggest that maybe Joss Whedon understands Joss Whedon more than random internet users. It's just uncalled for.

But seriously, the thread title is misleading and just playing into the regressive bullshit dominating these forums that want to send us back to the fucking 15th century.

 

[Silvanus]

Right, sick of twitter and just happened to get sick of it after loads of idiots were attacking him for his movie? Lol, that's like punching someone in the face and then them just claiming that they often get nosebleeds and your fist had nothing to do with it.
Of course plenty of other movements have equally bad trolls. No idea what that has to do with it! None of them were attacking him. The crazy conservatives are current busy attacking some news lady for saying Chris Kyle was a terrorist or some such madness.

I just had a quick look on Twitter, y'know, and found Tweets criticising the film as blasphemous. Going by the same logic, we can conclude that Whedon was chased off Twitter by radical Christians-- would be a pretty big coincidence otherwise, no?!

Twitter contains literally hundreds of millions of Tweets every single day. Inevitably, by virtue of volume alone, it will contain a large amount of vocal criticism from a hundred different perspectives. To single one out (one which conveniently fits one's own biases, of course) and conclude that this must be what chased Whedon off Twitter, is to be grasping at straws.

 

[StreamerDarkly]

The good thing about being fully committed to the SJW lifestyle is that you can take an incident like this, ignore the blindingly obvious facts of the matter, and just dig in you heels by inventing a narrative that reflects much more favorably.

What about the harassing wave of comments and the fact that Whedon left Twitter just after they happened, you ask? Nah, the guy suddenly developed a social media addiction after many years of exposure, and he needed to step away. Much more logical.

 

[Breakdown]

Wait, you can deactivate a Twitter account? I thought the correct course of action when facing a Twitter harrassment campaign is to flee your home and head straight for the nearest TV studio to talk about your ordeal. But deactivating your account does make more sense, when you think about it.

 

[Tilly]

I just had a quick look on Twitter, y'know, and found Tweets criticising the film as blasphemous. Going by the same logic, we can conclude that Whedon was chased off Twitter by radical Christians-- would be a pretty big coincidence otherwise, no?!

He's an atheist though so that kind of criticism probably wouldn't upset him as much.

But fine, I'll accept that I should just take him at his word for the sake of avoiding false positives. Although I'd add that he did mention it in the Buzzfeed interview:
?Because suddenly that?s the litmus test for everything you do ? for example, in my case, feminism. If you don?t live up to the litmus test of feminism in this one instance, then you?re a misogynist. It circles directly back upon you.?

And you have an obvious reason to deny him the right to speak for himself as to why he left: you don't like feminists and want to use Whedon as a means to take shots at them. You want to make the "movement" look crazy.

There are plenty of individual feminists I like but I dislike the current state of the movement. I tend to see it very similar to Islam. Most individuals in both groups are perfectly nice people but unfortunately they've bought into just enough dogmatic nonsense that when the actual movements are in action there's far too much extremism that people are silently complicit in spreading. I think leaderless movements have a collective responsibility to deal with their worst elements. Neither of these groups have done so.

 

[asinann]

The out cry about black widow is absolutely unfounded.

On the other hand making a transphobic statement like he did is pretty much patently not cool, and not acceptable.

People need to stop being oversensitive: that wasn't a transphobic statement, it was someone who made a statement without even considering the trans community even exists. That's not phobia, it's either not caring or not thinking that people would call it phobia because reasonable people wouldn't.

 

[V4Viewtiful]

I think the big stink was back Black Widow was sterilized and the movie beats everyone over the head why..

What? It was mentioned twice, in the vague dream sequence and in detail to Banner. And that was it.

The complaint I've heard about that part, is that she equates not being able to have a child with "being a monster". She even says that to Bruce. "Who's the monster now". Which I think (rightly) annoys people, since it seems to imply that if you can't have children you are inhuman/monstrous. Which is kind of insulting to all the women who are infertile for one reason or another.

Though I've heard others say that they felt that scene was HEAVILY edited, and that the context of the "who's the monster now" line might've been lost in editing. And I hope this is the case, because I remember being in the theater when she said that and thinking "what the hell? That makes no sense to equate those two things." I mean if she wants to think she's a monster, ok fine, but make it be for a reason that makes sense, like, you know, all the people she murdered as a trained assassin. Not simply because you can't squeeze a little bundle out of your own womb. I mean come on, she could adopt just fine, and still be a mommy that way. Nothing wrong with adoption.

That's what I don't get, she talked about her creation into what she was as a of trying to not let Banner feel so alone.
And remember she was forced to confront a deep trauma around the time being around Hawkeye's Family, it's a typical case of self hatred. Something most people should relate to.
I don't know maybe I put more stock in intent than the actual words used.

They couldn't help take down a director who developed probably the most capable female member of a mostly male team, that's sad.

No, they couldn't help take him down, in that he hasn't actually been taken down.

You're right, wrong word. Attacked, and viciously so it seems.

 

[RaikuFA]

The out cry about black widow is absolutely unfounded.

On the other hand making a transphobic statement like he did is pretty much patently not cool, and not acceptable.

People need to stop being oversensitive: that wasn't a transphobic statement, it was someone who made a statement without even considering the trans community even exists. That's not phobia, it's either not caring or not thinking that people would call it phobia because reasonable people wouldn't.

Would trans-ignorant work? That popped into my head when I read this Post.

 

[vledleR]

Wait, you can deactivate a Twitter account? I thought the correct course of action when facing a Twitter harrassment campaign is to flee your home and head straight for the nearest TV studio to talk about your ordeal. But deactivating your account does make more sense, when you think about it.

Agreed. If an artist wants to be as creative as possible without being harassed by "friends" and "allies", they should either stay off of social media, or hire PR to manage it.

Breaking media down to every minute detail and over-analyzing the hell out of it "through the lens of sociology" is all the rage these days. I think it's pretty daft, but it has become mainstream criticism. Whedon helped enable this new fad (through social media, of course) and he'd be a fool to think it doesn't apply to him

 

[BytByte]

The good thing about being fully committed to the SJW lifestyle is that you can take an incident like this, ignore the blindingly obvious facts of the matter, and just dig in you heels by inventing a narrative that reflects much more favorably.

What about the harassing wave of comments and the fact that Whedon left Twitter just after they happened, you ask? Nah, the guy suddenly developed a social media addiction after many years of exposure, and he needed to step away. Much more logical.

That's not a very balanced position of you to take. You shouldn't be reviewing this situation.

It's either making up a conspiracy or listening to the guy it actually happened to giving his own reasons for why he stopped Twittering.

As per usual, a lot of these conspiracies treat feminism/-ists like one big blob of evil. You are not opening up the curtain to the world showing that yes, some feminists are extremely radical, irrational and all around unpleasant. People exist like that in every group, so the argument that Joss, a more typical, level headed feminist, lied to protect feminism or something is too hilarious to be taken seriously.

 

[Tilly]

As per usual, a lot of these conspiracies treat feminism/-ists like one big blob of evil. You are not opening up the curtain to the world showing that yes, some feminists are extremely radical, irrational and all around unpleasant. People exist like that in every group,

So a bit like the exact thing Joss did with gamergate? That'd be your reason as to why people are eager to jump on this. Whether it's fair or not, it's the exact same thing people have been on the receiving end of from guys like Joss.