Sylveria said:
I'm really baffled when people call Buffy a pro-woman series. She's basically the definition of the "Fighting Fucktoy" trope as his BFF Anita would discuss. A tremendous amount of her character is centered around the quest for the D. Heck the first 3 seasons are almost wholey based around it. She was an incredibly weak character outside of her physicality and even that is frequently undermined.
Basically, yeah. Buffy is a pretty weak and ineffectual character, and when people say she's a "strong woman," I tend to believe they're talking solely about her physical strength. Which is about as uncommon in the show as snarky comments, and it seems like we see a lot more men with super-strength anyway.
But this is pretty much par for the course with Joss Whedon women. I actually think he thinks he's being positive, too. Like that episode of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns learns about recycling.
Ralancian said:
Sorry how old were you in 1997?
I was 17 when Buffy came out. Can you tell me what you think was so innovative for the time so I have some frame of reference? I mean, I know Joss Whedon claimed he was doing new things and a lot of people listened, but I'm pretty sure only Jedi can proclaim they have the high ground and make it so.