Judge in Rittenhouse case might be a tad biased.

[CriticalGaming]

And the victim record are irrelevant because Kyle didn't know them when he shoot.

Absolutely.

Though it might be worth knowing, when the argument against self defense is used. Like we don't know what the men would have done had they actually reached Kyle, but based of criminal history they probably weren't going to give him hugs.

Still doesn't really matter as it pertains to the case and the factors in which the shooting occured because that all falls into hindsight.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Sad but true. Hoping no one else ends up dying, but who am I kidding? Hoping for the best at least, and wishing safety for the jurors in particular.

CNN is currently trying to push for riots by repeatedly saying "all white jury", which isn't true by any account i can find. As is CNN clearly just race baiting.

 

[ObsidianJones]

CNN is currently trying to push for riots by repeatedly saying "all white jury", which isn't true by any account i can find. As is CNN clearly just race baiting.

Stop.

 

[tstorm823]

Also the argument being put forward was the dead were either in the right or justified to attack Kyle because (and this was the prosecutions main claim in the end which IMO they didn't even prove happened) that Kyle pointed his gun at Rosenbaum first as that totally made Rosenbaum's actions justified...

To be clear, that is a stupid argument, and the prosecution was stupid to make it.

Violence would have happened with or without Kyle, precedent shows that.

And had any of those people killed someone, they should also have been tried for homicide. I know you like that he was there with the best intentions, and if he had been setting things on fire before the latercations, you'd probably agree with charging him. What I'm saying is that participating in a riot is participating in a riot, full stop. Giving first aid at a riot despite a curfew still makes you part of the riot. It's not innocent self-defense if you get into a violent altercation after joining a riot.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I read an opinion piece that put forward the idea that Judge Schroeder entire song and dance this trial has been him auditioning to be a go-to guest for Jeanine Pirro on Fox.
Banning MSNBC on odd grounds that may or may not have happened the way he described, inappropriate Asian jokes, the murdered can't be called victims only rioters, not knowing how 4K Tv and Apple iPads work, old conservative angry white guy who likes guns. He's perfect.

MSNBC had a reporter literally following the Jury bus and in a statement from them allegedly claiming the reporter wasn't trying to doxx the jury just obtain their licence plate info to allow MSNBC to contact them after the trial for interviews.......

Also the asian food joke was due to issues with container shipping of products from China and Japan coming into the USA............A joke that's happened the same week Joe Biden was mostly excused and people pretending it was fine that he referred to some-one as the N word (the one ending in O)

Pretty sure 2A actually mentions militias being legal as such in the USA.....

 

[SilentPony]

I saw an interview from some relative saying he's going to study nursing in college. Maybe he really was a medic. Whoda thunk it.

Well the good news it outside of a political hire from someone like Matt Gaetz, he's basically unhire-able. If I was him I'd move across country, grow my hair out and change it color, get some cosmetic surgery and change my name. No business or school can touch him with a 100-foot poll without severe backlash and protest, and good luck passing a Nursing board background check or interview. Best chance is take Matt Gaetz's offer. He's already going to be protested anyway, might as well get a shit job out of it.

 

[Revnak]

Well, that settles that.
Feds could still bring charges, if they wanted.
But I am skeptical that they will.

Probably not given the only case that would’ve actually put him behind bars relied heavily on the various state and local laws he was in the process of violating to reach a murder charge anyway. The case was over when the judge ruled that the prosecution couldn’t bring up any of that, and I presume they couldn’t bring that up for federal charges?

 

[Revnak]

Well the good news it outside of a political hire from someone like Matt Gaetz, he's basically unhire-able. If I was him I'd move across country, grow my hair out and change it color, get some cosmetic surgery and change my name. No business or school can touch him with a 100-foot poll without severe backlash and protest, and good luck passing a Nursing board background check or interview. Best chance is take Matt Gaetz's offer. He's already going to be protested anyway, might as well get a shit job out of it.

That’s not good news? The only reason you want a teen in jail in the first place is in the hope that it would lead to a course correction in their life, not because it’ll permanently rid us of some evil child and cleanse our collective souls. Him being further radicalized and used as a prop to create a hundred more of him is the absolute worst outcome, even if it means he’ll suffer the torment that is “knowing Matt Gaetz.”

 

[CriticalGaming]

Probably not given the only case that would’ve actually put him behind bars relied heavily on the various state and local laws he was in the process of violating to reach a murder charge anyway. The case was over when the judge ruled that the prosecution couldn’t bring up any of that, and I presume they couldn’t bring that up for federal charges?

I believe that is correct.

And i also think that there is a deadline for the Feds to want to get involved and it has to be damn near the same time as the case otherwise you get into a double jepordy situation were the feds would be trying to convict him of the crime he was just found innocent of which they can't do iirc.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Funny enough, the only charge the prosecution aimed at Rittenhouse that seems appropriate is "failure to comply with an emergency order", which was both a meaningless fine and then thrown out for some reason. The reckless homicide charges they picked were 1st degree charges, which requires "a show of utter disregard for human life", and the intentional homicide charges were silly on their face. They should have charged with second degree reckless endangerment for attending a riot and second degree reckless homicide for people dying from his reckless actions, but the prosecution is either insanely incompetent or deliberately throwing the case.

Probably because he was on private property for most of the night. Also you then put the onus on the DA and prosecution to apply the law equally to all which means everyone including all the witnesses needing to be charged and the court doesn't have time to deal with that.

A victory for everyone looking to normalize murdering their political enemies.

I mean AntiFA were happily doing that before anyway on the slightest provocation. I mean there's already been 2 incidents and half a dozen attempted ones which were more "Assault with a deadly weapon" incidents than outright pull gun and shoot ones.

At least we know how Jan 6th 2025 is going to go down. Can't wait for more militias to start patrolling the streets.

Well this is the defunded police people wanted, the community policing efforts happening lol.
Are you not happy with this?
Or is community policing only good when it happens in Chaz and lead to two teens being senselessly shot at least one of which died and the other was seriously injured and pistol whipped.

Well, that settles that.
Feds could still bring charges, if they wanted.
But I am skeptical that they will.

It should settle it, it won't.
The mob doesn't respect the rule of law they want the law to work for them and a return to Kangaroo courts it seems.

I mean, as opposed to every other day in the summer of 2020?


Under the Biden admin? Doubt it.

This is in the hands of civil courts now. Rittenhouse is going to have far worse chances there, without an asshat judge putting his thumb on the scales, against competent counsel, and dealing with preponderance of the evidence opposed to reasonable doubt.

Competent counsel?

The dude's best argument was playing Kyle as a corrupted youth negatively influenced by video games and youth culture. Dude even in the picture he was using as evidence to claim incitement managed to point to the wrong person in the picture claiming it was Kyle on one occasion.

Also the judge tried to be fair to both sides here. He did oppose the defence team on a couple of points. 1 being certain evidence being permissible despite objections (I forget specifically which piece) and saying the jury should be allowed to view the video as much and as they like as long as it's in the court room.

 

[gorfias]

I know you like that he was there with the best intentions, and if he had been setting things on fire before the altercations, you'd probably agree with charging him. What I'm saying is that participating in a riot is participating in a riot, full stop. Giving first aid at a riot despite a curfew still makes you part of the riot. It's not innocent self-defense if you get into a violent altercation after joining a riot.

In common cause crimes, everyone engaged in the crime faces the charges that come from that crime. (ie Bank robbery with getaway driver: the driver faces murder charges if a team mate kills someone, even though he never entered the bank). At least in the US. I think from the logic you present, if someone commits arson at a mostly peaceful protest, they all go to prison for arson. Even those opposing the arson and the cause of those initiating the protest. They were all in the protest/riot. Thankfully, I don't think that is how the law works.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Wasn't he in prison cause he was a child rapist too? Never mind the prison brawls, that they even hid this is huge.

From my understanding it was agreed in pre-trial that they wouldn't bring it up without consulting the judge among other things like Kyle's social media postings etc too. Basically the judge wanted it to be just about the specific events of the night no possible bias or idea of precedent in peoples actions etc.

Yet all over Twitter (which isn't all that surprising) people are calling this a victory for racism and talking about how broken the system is. I think it was the right choice as well, based on every piece of evidence presented and the self-defense laws in play here.

A system didn't decide this. A jury did. The jury could have just as easily convicted him despite all the evidence proving his innocence, but they didn't because people don't work that way.

Twitter you say?

He said this in responce to the jury asking for written instruction from the judge. This wasn't outside factor, that was literally just the instruction (which were 36 pages when typed).

And the victim record are irrelevant because Kyle didn't know them when he shoot.

Kyle didn't know the when he shot but if you have a person with a history of starting violent fights with little to no provocation and the prosecutions argument was Kyle aggressively provoked Rosenbaum (which it was) then knowing the person goes off on people at the drop of a hat anyway will likely make the jury biased to believe that Rosenbaum was just picking another fight again like he has done in the past. Literally the only piece of vague evidence the prosecution really had was a blurred pixelated photo they claimed showed Kyle pointing a gun at Rosenbaum before the Rosenbaum tried to grab the gun the 1st time before pursuing Kyle and trying to grab the gun again.

Basically the record of the dead guy would have harmed the prosecutions case even without bringing up the reason he was in prison.

 

[meiam]

And had any of those people killed someone, they should also have been tried for homicide. I know you like that he was there with the best intentions, and if he had been setting things on fire before the latercations, you'd probably agree with charging him. What I'm saying is that participating in a riot is participating in a riot, full stop. Giving first aid at a riot despite a curfew still makes you part of the riot. It's not innocent self-defense if you get into a violent altercation after joining a riot.

Did anyone else die during the riot (obviously outside the two that Kyle killed) even on other days? Presumably the victim participated in riot on the other days before.

 

[Piscian]

I guess I can see the future. Admittedly kinda blown away that he didn't even get reckless endangerment, I mean it's not like he was minding his business and got attacked while walking his dog. It's clear he was accosted after shooting the first guy while a rally against police brutality and gun violence. Ah well I guess at least he's learned an important lesson about personal responsibility and the value of human life.

 

[SilentPony]

That’s not good news? The only reason you want a teen in jail in the first place is in the hope that it would lead to a course correction in their life, not because it’ll permanently rid us of some evil child and cleanse our collective souls. Him being further radicalized and used as a prop to create a hundred more of him is the absolute worst outcome, even if it means he’ll suffer the torment that is “knowing Matt Gaetz.”

He already is part of a system that creates, encourages and rewards people like him. He's going to be a hero to right-wing nut jobs who think guns = authority and Rambo is cool. If he's held accountable for his actions for the rest of his life, you know what we call that? Accountability. Everyone else has history and is judged by them.
And no, only part of the purpose of prison is to correct someone. Another part is simply to make the community safer for them not being there anymore.
The Justice system failed in its part to protect society from him, and that's a loss and one we all must accept. But there are no laws guaranteeing him a good job or admission into a good school. Private companies and schools are entitled to bring in whoever they want, and that allows for not bringing in who they don't want. We got that from bakeries refusing to bake cakes for gays. People have been fired just for supporting him on social media because it went against the public persona their employers want. Imagine actually being him and going in for an interview, or a background check that asks if he's ever been arrested, or introducing yourself to a college roommate or going to the library to study. He's going to be an outcast, and its his own fault.

Like I said his best course of action is to count his blessings and try to create an entire new identity and hope no one ever pieces two and two together. I foresee a lot of moving and a lot of being fired in his life, and I ain't gonna cry over that.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

To be clear, that is a stupid argument, and the prosecution was stupid to make it.

And had any of those people killed someone, they should also have been tried for homicide. I know you like that he was there with the best intentions, and if he had been setting things on fire before the latercations, you'd probably agree with charging him. What I'm saying is that participating in a riot is participating in a riot, full stop. Giving first aid at a riot despite a curfew still makes you part of the riot. It's not innocent self-defense if you get into a violent altercation after joining a riot.

At this stage the system is struggling to cope I think so absolute rule of law isn't a thing that can truly be applied unless we're ready to accept Judge Dredd becoming more of a reality.

Well the good news it outside of a political hire from someone like Matt Gaetz, he's basically unhire-able. If I was him I'd move across country, grow my hair out and change it color, get some cosmetic surgery and change my name. No business or school can touch him with a 100-foot poll without severe backlash and protest, and good luck passing a Nursing board background check or interview. Best chance is take Matt Gaetz's offer. He's already going to be protested anyway, might as well get a shit job out of it.

Nah people will have forgotten about this in 2 years or less other than some real hardcore hold outs.

Probably not given the only case that would’ve actually put him behind bars relied heavily on the various state and local laws he was in the process of violating to reach a murder charge anyway. The case was over when the judge ruled that the prosecution couldn’t bring up any of that, and I presume they couldn’t bring that up for federal charges?

The judge rule the prosecution couldn't use social media posting as evidence of pre-meditated murder. Not least because if they had then the defence could and would have pointed out Kyle didn't in fact try to be a have a go hero there and instead called the police who apprehended the people Kyle suspected (and I think was proved right about) were shoplifting.

 

[Revnak]

He already is part of a system that creates, encourages and rewards people like him. He's going to be a hero to right-wing nut jobs who think guns = authority and Rambo is cool. If he's held accountable for his actions for the rest of his life, you know what we call that? Accountability. Everyone else has history and is judged by them.
And no, only part of the purpose of prison is to correct someone. Another part is simply to make the community safer for them not being there anymore.
The Justice system failed in its part to protect society from him, and that's a loss and one we all must accept. But there are no laws guaranteeing him a good job or admission into a good school. Private companies and schools are entitled to bring in whoever they want, and that allows for not bringing in who they don't want. We got that from bakeries refusing to bake cakes for gays.

Like I said his best course of action is to count his blessings and try to create an entire new identity and hope no one ever pieces two and two together. I foresee a lot of moving and a lot of being fired in his life, and I ain't gonna cry over that.

That’s all bullshit. He’s a teenager and yes I’d obviously say the same if he was on the other side I am the other fucking side. Any scenario where a teenager “pays for a decision for the rest of their life” is a social failure, as is the scenario that led to him taking lives in the first place, which is only made worse by him having one career path and that being “right-wing grifter.” You are actively praying for a bad outcome because it’s more cathartic. Personally I hope he gets the world’s most boring job and never has to think about this again. That would be ideal.

 

[SilentPony]

Nah people will have forgotten about this in 2 years or less other than some real hardcore hold outs.

Possibly? You're probably right, but I mean people haven't forgotten George Zimmerman, and that was over ten years ago: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0211106-sq4ortgwrbexlg42uliam6k55i-story.html
and Darren Wilson who shot Michael Brown in 2014 sparking the lovely events in Ferguson still can't find a job as an officer.
These high-media shootings do leave lasting consequences.

 

[Revnak]

The judge rule the prosecution couldn't use social media posting as evidence of pre-meditated murder. Not least because if they had then the defence could and would have pointed out Kyle didn't in fact try to be a have a go hero there and instead called the police who apprehended the people Kyle suspected (and I think was proved right about) were shoplifting.

Please stop hurting America.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

He already is part of a system that creates, encourages and rewards people like him. He's going to be a hero to right-wing nut jobs who think guns = authority and Rambo is cool. If he's held accountable for his actions for the rest of his life, you know what we call that? Accountability. Everyone else has history and is judged by them.
And no, only part of the purpose of prison is to correct someone. Another part is simply to make the community safer for them not being there anymore.
The Justice system failed in its part to protect society from him, and that's a loss and one we all must accept. But there are no laws guaranteeing him a good job or admission into a good school. Private companies and schools are entitled to bring in whoever they want, and that allows for not bringing in who they don't want. We got that from bakeries refusing to bake cakes for gays. People have been fired just for supporting him on social media because it went against the public persona their employers want. Imagine actually being him and going in for an interview, or a background check that asks if he's ever been arrested, or introducing yourself to a college roommate or going to the library to study. He's going to be an outcast, and its his own fault.

Like I said his best course of action is to count his blessings and try to create an entire new identity and hope no one ever pieces two and two together. I foresee a lot of moving and a lot of being fired in his life, and I ain't gonna cry over that.

Ah yes Killer Kyle the worlds worst slasher film villain who only kills people after they've tried to attack and kill him. Such a risk to society he poses right there lol.

Also lol at the rather terrible idea of supporting extrajudicial punishment systems. Why don't you deny him a bank account too while you're at it they're private companies too.

Kyle has been judge and found not guilty. I sincerely hope people respect that but I know they won't and to those that won't I hope (thought I don't hold out much hope) that companies and schools tell said people where they can shove their threats.