Juggernaut, a perk from hell

[Grimmy]

Lets look at this from a view of a sniper
"Tra la la la, oh look there is a guy lets get a kill"
sniper takes out .50 cal hold breath aim at head
BAM,,,, guy turns around and shoots you.
Respawn
Oh didnt know you could survive a .50 cal to the face but good job on that!

 

[bjj hero]

The op needs to suck it up and quit whining. Its all in the game to be used. If he played hardcore like a real man none of the perks are particularly powerful as most guns kill in a round or 2, even with jugger, martydom gets you kicked when you TK and bettys can be avoided if you look where you are going. If this is beyond your abilities then take bomb squad.

The only niggle is that last stand makes bolt actions need 2 shots to kill without a head shot. You know this before you pick a up bolt action so don't complain. I tend to play cod 4 as it's a better game. The best perk ever is UAV jammer. I take it with everything.

 

[Kajt]

NO, it's not the perk from hell, now stop whining about it.

 

[murphy7801]

go play unreal tournament

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Yesterday I finally prestiged, after constant crap from friends, and a lot of guts.I sat down to try and work up the ladder to a higher level, I noticed one thing, being a prestiged person. It is very hard to get a kill when everyone in the match is using Juggernaut. I am only a level 3 first prestige person and that means no custom classes, no good weapons, and alot of outbursts of foul language. As I tried to sit and take in this epicly bad match I was in, I looked at the top player, he was using Juggernaut, Martydom, and Bouncing Betties. I was shocked at this turn of events. I, never once in my CoD WaW career ever used any of these perks. I thought them a tool for noobs to get points and level up faster, but in this game the noob was a level 65 10th Prestige. I was scared for the first time ever in a CoD match, I was out gunned, out perked and was being camped from a secret location I knew nothing about. I have no idea why I chose to wright this story on a Gaming Discussion Forum on The Escapist Mgazine, but I thought if you read this and you use those three terrifying perks, you would rethink you CoD strategies, and play like a real player. But I dought very highly that anyone will change, their way of play. On the other hand if you do, props to you man...or woman.

Whats the problem juggernaut is a bad perk it's not hard to kill someone with it but infairness in the heat of the moment I would be annoyed too but the PC has servers specially for leveling and to be fair CoD WAW isn't that good multiplayer wise.

 

[You_have_a_name]

i hate Juggernaut but only because stopping power is more effective, but if your good like me it dosnt matter

 

[skcseth]

Perks are a part of the game for a reason. Use them to your advantage.
I've never played any COD so I'm not too sure how "unfair" these things make the game, but I'm sure they're available to everyone (at least with enough work). Right?

 

[JohnSmith]

Perks are a part of the game, all perks all the time. The only reason players ***** about juggernaut is that it stops Stopping Power from making the game just that little bit closer to hardcore mode. Of the three perks you mentioned I have to agree that juggernaut and matyrdom make very little sense but they were put in the game by a company that didn't listen to the bitching and whining from the last COD game, so they are hardly going to care now. The bouncing betties are upgrade the irritation involved with the claymore from the previous game by whole orders of magnitude, and all the developer had to do to avoid that was not give them some kind of whacky moon fuse, that allows them to proximity trigger, through walls. Instead they should have been made so you have to step on it, or that the setting player has to run a trip line.

All this said, If it is in the stock game it is a legitimate tactic. This includes the tactics that are bad sportsmanship like spawn camping. It doesn't matter how much it makes you angry one tactic is not inherently more noobish than another.

Furthermore, saying that a particular tactic is for noobs is the wrong way to look at it, a good player doesn't rely on the weapons, they use the weapons and tactics that the map and situation call for and if that is bloody minded camping then that is the developers fault. Also there are levels within every noob tactic, for instance during COD4 I built a grenadier class that allowed me to have 4 shots with an underslung grenade launcher and was often called a noob even though I could hit a sniper in the face with a grenade from half a map away.

 

[w-Jinksy]

simple solution take the words of mcpeepants to heart "CMON ***** SHOOT HIM IN THE SHOOT HIM IN THE HEAD JUMP GYPSY JUMP" these few words will get you through any cod match.

 

[SultanP]

"If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen", or in other words: If you can't take that people use the options available to them in a game, stop playing the game, sissy.

 

[the monopoly guy]

Thing is, Juggernaut annoys me. But I don't care - it's in the game. Stopping Power cancels it out. So why do people *****? Because whoever is using the perk is a better player than them.

I use Martyrdom on a shotgun class, and I get called a n00b. But at the end of the day, who got the kills? Me. Who saved the HQ? Me. I used what the game gave me. I didn't hack, cheat or glitch. I used a perk properly and came out the winner. You know what that makes me? A better player.

And Betties are not noobish anyway. And I hate the term noob, it's moronic. And no weapon, perk or camping position is noob-ish. If it's in the game naturally, without glitches or cheats, then this player is using it to their advantage and winning. They are the better player for not using some code of honour and ignoring a useful perk. I never use Juggernaut and almost never use Martyrdom because of personal preference anyway.

A real player is one who uses the game to his advantage - not a guy screaming "STFU N00b! HAX!"

When someone uses martyrdom, nobody says hax they just call them a noob.


Using an ability provided by the game the way it's supposed to be used doens't stop it from being cheap. Just because you use an ability to help you capture or defend an objectove doesn't stop it form being cheap. No, martyrdom isn't cheating or hacking, but it is still cheap. See, martyrdom rewards people for dying, and then killing enemies in a way that requires no skill or input from the player. You simply die and the game does the rest. So why is it considered noob-ish? Becuase people with a lack of skill get free kills for sucking.

You argue that becuase you get the kills using these that it is not "noobish".

...By what logic does that make sense? Seriously. The whole point of cheap tactics is to get easy kills and lots of them. And isn't using a game to your advantage, you know, using exploits? All it really sounds like is you trying to justify the use of cheap tactics.

 

[teisjm]

I totally know what the OP is talking about.
i've never really been playing FPS on console, but i played COD:MW at my friends hosue the other day on his PS3.
You would all be supprised at the level of munchkin-ness and powerplaying everyone else diaplayed online.

I'm in no way used to playing with a controller when playing FPS, but still they refused to turn their controllers upside down to even it out.

I was a little high at the time, but everyuone refused to use only guns (while i used any weapon i wanted) even though it would've been more fair.

everyone who doesn't stay away from perks that helps them are loosers who just need to boost their pathetic ego by actually winning.
TBH everyone who uses any sort of gun or explosives are inferrior people with fragile ego's, cause everyone knows that guns are for n00bs and the knife is the only acceptable weapon if you have any sense of honour.

I guess we would get along just fine (me and OP) seeing how alike we think.

 

[Flour]

Some people often say 'I don't notice the difference' but I have on numerous occasions had situations where some lone juggernaught players have been near unkillable despite being riddled with shots from various weapons (especially if used in conjunction with cover and camping tactics, those bastards are pretty much unmovable), either these people are the legendary sons of Odin himself or we have a bit of a balance issue (one time I remember being in a private free for all match and a lone player managed to massacre all of us with an M16, Juggernaught and Martyrdom, he could effectively kill us in one shot and on the few occasions we did take him down we often wouldn't live to get away with it).

Funny, Juggernaut reduces damage enough to require extra shot from most/all weapons.
Stopping power adds just enough damage to require one bullet less to kill someone with most weapons.(AK47 in CoD4 still takes the same amount of bullets to kill, so another perk would be better)
Double Tap increases firing speed to the point where 4 bullets/second becomes 5 bullets/second.(not related to the argument, but still worth mentioning)

Stopping Power vs Juggernaut is as if both players were using a different perk, the one who wins depends on the skill of the user.

I myself loved Juggernaut, both in Normal and HC modes. In Normal people complained their snipers didn't kill me in one shot. In HC people complained I didn't die in one shot from the 30 damage weapons.
Of course, using a high-damage weapon myself(ACOG AK47) combined with above-average skill meant I usually topped the scoreboard.

 

[Iron Mal]

I hate to ruin your party, but that player was using the perks he was good at to win. You describe him as killing you in one shot? Maybe he was cheating, but I rather like to think that is the haze of anger, and the moment there. He was using Juggernaut and you claim it made him untouchable? While that is untrue, it proves the point that he was the better player for using a perk to stay alive. I'm certain he wasn't unkillable, but required more shots than you are accustomed to needing to kill someone.

And it is a fair contest - Stopping Power gives you 140% Bullet Damage, and Juggernaut gives you 140% Bullet Resistance. He is using a perk that lets him stay alive, instead of one to make it easier to kill. That is how the perk system works. You could be using his perk, and he could be using yours, but the result would be the same.

In your analogy you say that they make it hard for the enemy and easy for them. Well.... duh? Are you saying you like to make it nice and easy for the enemy, strolling out absent mindedly, and make it nice and difficult for yourself, maybe using a Skorpion with Double Tap and never really aiming.

Of course they want to make the game harder for others and easier for themselves. In the same way snipers will put down claymores to make the game harder for others, and get up high to make their lives easier.

Maybe you were lagging - maybe this player had a great connection. Maybe he was cheating. But I think that he was just the better and more talented player for dominating your entire team, using tools available to everyone.

The player I gave as an example may have been better than us but here's the thing, CoD is horrifically unbalanced and some perks are easily better than others (Juggernaught, stopping power and UAV jammer being good examples). Stating that anyone can choose any perk and still have an equal chance of victory is proveably fasle regardless of the skill of players involved (what's the point of letting me pick from a wide selection of weapons and perks if there are only a few versatile and effective ones?).

I am not saying that you should make it easy for opponents but by the same token this does not excuse the use of underhanded and cheap tactics.

My usual guideline is imagine you are playing splitscreen with a bunch of friends, you should hopefully) approach online games in the same way.

What sort of behavior (in-game) would ensure everyone has a good game (and thus results in you being invited back to play again)? This would be things like showing sportsmanship and giving everyone else a fair chance (in an ideal game there would either be no perks or they would be like the backpacks in Red Faction i.e: they are mostly temporary support powers rather than permament upgrades).

Then think about what kind of behavior would piss off everyone else and see to it that they never ask you to come back (camping, exploiting the game and otherwise ruthlessly seeking victory at any cost)?

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Thing is, Juggernaut annoys me. But I don't care - it's in the game. Stopping Power cancels it out. So why do people *****? Because whoever is using the perk is a better player than them.

I use Martyrdom on a shotgun class, and I get called a n00b. But at the end of the day, who got the kills? Me. Who saved the HQ? Me. I used what the game gave me. I didn't hack, cheat or glitch. I used a perk properly and came out the winner. You know what that makes me? A better player.

And Betties are not noobish anyway. And I hate the term noob, it's moronic. And no weapon, perk or camping position is noob-ish. If it's in the game naturally, without glitches or cheats, then this player is using it to their advantage and winning. They are the better player for not using some code of honour and ignoring a useful perk. I never use Juggernaut and almost never use Martyrdom because of personal preference anyway.

A real player is one who uses the game to his advantage - not a guy screaming "STFU N00b! HAX!"

Totally and fully agree with you !
i really think that code of honour ruins some games (i'm looking at you MGO with your "no shotgun" and you to Gears 2 with your "no chainsaw")

Shotguns are MGO can be quite bullshitty, but only at close range. The m4 custom is bullshitty at any range though..

 

[Low Key]

I have only used juggernaut a couple of times to see what advantages it might have. It seemed to me I died just as fast, except it was with a perk made to help you survive. Quite the mindfuck if you ask me. I haven't used it since and will not use it again, not because it's for noobs, but because it doesn't work. Just use the Kar98k with stopping power. One shot takes down practically anyone. You just have to be accurate.

Martyrdom is fair play though. If people don't know to keep their distance after a kill, then they deserve to get blown up. Again, I don't use it, but it's in the game and everyone has to deal with it and has the option to use it themselves.

 

[Fingolfin High-King of the Noldor]

That's why I play on hardcore. Even with Juggernaut it still only takes a couple more shots to take their ass down. And yes martyrdom is the cowards tool of choice. But Betty's I have never seen as noobish weapons.

 

[sam13lfc]

Play Hardcore. Juggernaught is useless, and the buggering Martyrdom isn't used.

It's amazing how different Hardcore is. It's like a completely different game.

Yeah it's great isn't it. But why can't we have CTF and Sabotage etc. in Hardcore? They're perfect for it.

 

[Trifer420]

I only hate the martyrdom perk, the others I can deal with.

 

[gigastrike]

Do you know how little juggernaut mattered to me? I didn't even know what that cross the popped up when you shot someone meant for the longest time. It never made a differance as far as I could tell. Now noobtubes, those suck.