Just finished "A Dance with Dragons", wanna talk

[thetoddo]

Jon as Robert's son would be interesting, but Jon has brown hair and the big plot point of the first book is "the seed is strong." Not saying it's not possible, but my money is on Rhaegar and Lyanna as parents.

 

[The Funslinger]

Pale blue are likely Ilyn Payne.

It could also be either of the two Boltons. Her priorities will likely be slightly jarred when she finds out what fuckery those two got up to.

 

[blackdwarf]

I think the next book will make or break a lot of the popular theories that have been circling around, which will result in a lot of divided camps in the fanbase. The idea of Jon being targaeryn and riding a dragon would just destroy his character for me. And there are a lot more theories like that.

The book itself was OK. Some chapter were really a drag(Whoa Daenerys, learning of your past mistakes, how impressive), and there is a lot of build to something we don't really know. In the first 3 books we knew that everything was connected to the war with North, but now that is done, we are just waiting for people to actually do some stuff.

 

[The Funslinger]

Jon as Robert's son would be interesting, but Jon has brown hair and the big plot point of the first book is "the seed is strong."

Yeah, I don't think there's any way that could happen, after the books constantly going on about how Stark Jon looks; and while Lyanna being the mother would be the work around for that, the implication she never really loved Robert kinda steps on sex out of wedlock. I can't remember if they actually got married, could someone correct me on that?

 

[Camaranth]

Wow I need to re-read these books...so many plot threads!

Anyways my theory. Dragons trump Others right? We've got three dragons and three Targaryians (Dani, Jon and Aegon or whatever the kids name is) So that is one big show-down waiting to happen. What that means for everyone else involved...I'm not to sure but I look forward to seeing play out.

Otherwise I'd really like to see Arya and Nymeria reunited and for Arya to take her vengeance. Also anyone else think that Dani and Arya would make a kick-ass team?

Really what I want is some freaking answers.

So winds of Winter will be all these threads start coming together and the start of the battle between the Others and Everyone else and then Spring is the end of the fight and dealing with the fallout.

I'm going to cut myself off before I start rambling too much more this post is already an incoherent mess.

 

[D_West]

Daenerys is one of my favorite characters in the books, but I think she is misunderstood by a lot of her fans though. I think Dance with Dragons thoroughly proved that she isn't fit to rule.

Dany.....had a hard life.

She's 15 and has suffered the death of her entire family, her brother, her husband, and her newborn child. On top of all that she has 3 living weapons of mass destruction and is the last surviving heir of an ancient dynasty. Also, she's going through puberty. With all this trauma, she's gonna have issues.


I'm not saying she's blameless, she is pretty stupid. Her idealism comes from her struggles and hard life, coupled with her sense of entitlement(I wish there was a better word for it).

I think she's a great character. She represents doing terrible things for ideological reasons, and the terrible consequences.

The hilarious thing, though, is that not many people understand her character or how selfish she is. Most people actually think she would be a good queen. GRRM must be laughing when he sees all these people that think she would be the best hope for Westeros.

Between the Pale Mare, the Greyscale epidemic sure to hit soon, and the white walkers, the world is screwed.

 

[Zac Jovanovic]

Did everyone else miss the entire prince-that-was-promised prophecy in Jon's final chapter in book 5? It wasn't even that subtle. My best guess is wall is gonna be horn'd down and Jon's gonna lead the fight against others and save the world.

I suppose Jon, Daenerys and Aegon are plot shielded until the end, the dragon has to have 3 heads. The Tyrion theory doesn't really work, if Tywin's wife got pregnant with Aerys the youngest child couldn't be his.

 

[Miyenne]

Jon's hair is brown? Well I missed that. Only read the books four or five times. There goes my theory.

But George just likes to screw with everyone. This Lyanna/Rhaegar theory that's so popular would be the perfect way for George to screw with us all and totally blindside us with something different.

Also, remember Davos is in White Harbour and so are Rickon and Osha (unless I'm totally misremembering this stuff too, I really do need another go through), and George said he was going to write more about Osha because he loved Natalia Tena's performance so much. No idea what's gonna happen with them, but with all the other boys dead (or whatever you'd call Bran at this point) Rickon is Witerfell's heir, not Sansa. So if Rickon's survival becomes known Sansa will become useless to Littlefinger other than his pedo/Cat replacement ... thing for her. Littlefinger's scary.

I think George has tried to do too much and introduced too many characters and everything's getting rather sloppy as this point. I still love him and the books, but it's just not quite there lately.

 

[Nepenthe87]

Also, remember Davos is in White Harbour and so are Rickon and Osha (unless I'm totally misremembering this stuff too, I really do need another go through

Rickon and Osha are believed to be on the island of Skagos. Wyman Manderly faked the death of Davos so that he could go on a mission to find them in exchange for Manderly pledging allegiance to Stannis.

Did everyone else miss the entire prince-that-was-promised prophecy in Jon's final chapter in book 5? It wasn't even that subtle.

I missed it, care to enlighten me? I'm not entirely on the up and up on the prophecy. something about a burning star and smoke and salt.

 

[Miyenne]

Yeah I wasn't paying attention at all when I read it, was I? But I read it the day it came out, I slipped into a bookstore before work started and ended up reading the whole day and hiding from my job as much as I could. I suppose when I'm done with the two books I have going now I'll go through ADwD again.

 

[Ambitiousmould]

I want more Jon Connington badassery. He is my favourite character after Dolorous Ed. I also am eally liking the whole Littlefinger vs Varys plot thing going on, because they are both awesome at just-as-planned and their subtle game is really interesting. I also wonder if Jon is actually dead or not. On the one hand, it would be obvious (main character etc.) for him not to be dead, on the other hand, this is GRRM. He's probably dead. I also want to see what happens to Tyrion. Finally the whole scene on the Wall is kicking off, can't wait to see where it leads, and the title of the next book seems to hint at that really going down. Also, I hope Strong Belwas does more awesome stuff. I can't believe they cut him from the TV series.

EDIT: I almost forgot about Victarion and stuff, with his super badass terminator-arm thing. Shit's gonna go there pretty soon. In case you didn't notice, I am trying to stay away from theories and stuff because it's GRRM and he is bloody unpredictable, so no point really, especially iff I really like a theory, then it turns out wrong (which it almost certainly will). What I will say though is that Dany hasn't been a fantastic leader, her people have been ruined from point A and she had the opportunity to cut everyone's losses and go, but her ideological views stopped her, and things are going very badly and will get worse. On an unrelated note, her whole dysentry thing is described pretty graphically, so I find it hard to find her as attractive as I once did, because I keep picturing that.

 

[search_rip]

Daenerys is one of my favorite characters in the books, but I think she is misunderstood by a lot of her fans though. I think Dance with Dragons thoroughly proved that she isn't fit to rule.

Dany.....had a hard life.

She's 15 and has suffered the death of her entire family, her brother, her husband, and her newborn child. On top of all that she has 3 living weapons of mass destruction and is the last surviving heir of an ancient dynasty. Also, she's going through puberty. With all this trauma, she's gonna have issues.


I'm not saying she's blameless, she is pretty stupid. Her idealism comes from her struggles and hard life, coupled with her sense of entitlement (I wish there was a better word for it).

I think she's a great character. She represents doing terrible things for ideological reasons, and the terrible consequences.

The hilarious thing, though, is that not many people understand her character or how selfish she is. Most people actually think she would be a good queen. GRRM must be laughing when he sees all these people that think she would be the best hope for Westeros.

Between the Pale Mare, the Greyscale epidemic sure to hit soon, and the white walkers, the world is screwed.

I agree with you good sir I hated Daenerys character almost all book 5 because her incompetence to rule Mereen and the bad choices she's been taken until she stepped up and rided Drogon

As many people had been writing I think that if Jon is dead then Melissandre is going to revive him, also I hope Tyrion is one of the 3 dragon's heads

 

[dagens24]

Robert Strong = The Mountain.

 

[grey_space]

Aegon's not a real real Dragon (mummer's dragon)

Robert Strong = Mountain.

Jon's not fully gone from the story (That's a guess) but I'd say that Mr Martin may surprise us all yet as to how.

Bran will eventually tie everyone together with his tree powers.

Arry is going to motherfucking kill EVERYONE but not I'd say till A Dream Of Spring.

Daenerys...I'm conflicted about her. I do really want to see her in Westeros but she really annoys me from time to time.

Tyrion is more than likely the third head of the Dragon.

 

[Nepenthe87]

wow, there are lots of people here that believe Jon has some sort of cosmic relevance to the story. Why? To me Jon has been basically nothing more than our window into the events north of the wall. The only reason Jon became commander of the Nights Watch was because of Samwell Tarley. Without Tarley Jon would have been killed for treason against the nights watch. There isn't really anything fantastical about Jon except that he can warg, which is further diminished by the fact that all the Stark children can warg.


Just because he might be the offspring of Rhaegar, why does that mean anything? Khalasar's are supposed to be only ruled by men, but Dany destroyed that norm, when she gave birth to dragons, and her bodyguards changed to her bloodriders. The books have proved that expectations are to be shattered. The dragon "must have three heads" is something that is thrown around a lot. but why does that mean that three people must have control of three different dragons? It's reinforced time and again that Dany is the mother to three dragons. They want to be with her, they yearn to be with her, she is their mother. There are three dragons, three heads, and they all want to follow Daenerys. why should they need another master when they have a master, they have a mother. Daenerys literally has "three heads" under her control. To me, the dragon already already has three heads, and all three of those heads are controlled by one person.

Quentyn almost proves the fact that she does not need other people to control her dragons for her. He tries to subdue Vyserion and Rhaegar, and what happens to him? he is burned to death. Even when Drogon goes on a rampage in the Mereen arena it is Daenerys that subdues him, Daenerys that controls him, Daenerys that rides him to their freedom. Daenerys already has three heads, in the form the three literal dragons.

 

[Bernzz]

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For that, I remember a quote in the book that went along the lines of "While a dragon can have multiple riders (across its lifetime, I believe was the implication), a rider can only have one dragon." And Dany has Drogon. That leaves Rhaegal and Viserion riderless.

 

[gibbles545]

I don't think Jon is dead mainly because of the prophetic dreams that Melisandre has had about Jon Snow, where he is quite clearly Azor Ahai.

 

[TheblackFish]

Bran can control hordor as if hordor were his b!#(h. With that being said, can Bran control a dragon? I know jumping from a retard to dragon is a big step, but Brans a greenseer. Also, I'm hoping Ramsey finds theon. Those two always crack me up.
Side note- Tyrion is definitly a one of the dragons riders, But then that can contradict the whole bran thing.