Just finished Fable 3, this is why it made me angry

JEdge

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Disclaimer: This is my first review I've posted on The Escapist, I'm sure there's some kind of etiquette I'm flouting - bear with me, I'll learn eventually!

Before I get into ranting overdrive, let me give you the bottom line from the very beginning. Fable 3 is not as good as Fable 2. It pales in comparison. It's less satisfying and less engaging - really not what you'd expect from a AAA sequel that represents the exact kind of exclusive Xbox 360 owners should be able to wave tantalisingly in the face of PS3 owners.

Now, where to begin? Fable games have always been about actions and their consequences, usually on a black and white, good and evil basis. Your actions would manifest themselves either physically on your hero character (horns sprouting forth from your head if you play an evil character, for example), or on the surrounding environment or NPCs. Consequences were greatly emphasised in Fable 2, with one particular scene exemplifying this quite nicely. You were in a generic evil tower for reasons that I can't honestly remember, and for some reason you were presented with a prisoner and asked whether you wanted to electrocute them, or give them the food they were begging you for. Now, obviously the moral choice is basic, there's a good option and a bad option - a factor that I'm increasingly becoming tired of in games that offer moral choices, I prefer ambiguous moral choices like that offered in Fallout: New Vegas. Whichever option you choose, you can see the NPC either writhing in agony, or being pathetically grateful as they gorge themselves on generic tube-based vitamin substitute.

These visible consequences are less pronounced in Fable 3, despite making moral choices even more obvious (really Lionhead? A glittering white A button or a flaming X button?). The consequences of your actions are only visible if you actively seek them. Furthermore, you can only find out your current status of morality by going into the options menu... Really? That's funny, because in the past I was able to not only see morality points accruing above my head as I performed each action, but I also saw my character change physically.

Now, the options menu. Peter Molyneux made a big fuss before Fable 3 came out about how Fable 2's menus were clunky, and the vast majority of players didn't know about a lot of the options available to them, because they just couldn't get through the bloody thing! I can't argue with this, but I can definitely argue with the alternative - a partially interactive, abstract options "building" rather than a "screen", with different sub-menus represented by different "rooms", all presided over by John Cleese for some reason. Quite why I should have to walk over to my treasury every time I want to see how much money I have is completely fucking beyond me. Why was this not visible on the HUD? Especially when money becomes so critical once you become king. Maybe this approach to menu design would be at least remotely tolerable if John Cleese was given funny dialogue. But what do you know, in the 25 or so hours I put into the game, all he ever said was "Welcome to the Sanctuary" (translation: "Welcome to the menu" - Gee, thanks John) or "There's some new items in the Sanctuary Shop" (translation: "There's some new Fable 3 DLC on the XBL Marketplace, so buy it you cheap bastard and maybe I'll shut up").

It's an idea that sounds perfect on paper, if I was Peter Molyneux and one of my Lionhead stooges came up to me and said "Hey Pete, how's the wife? Yeah we were thinking of drafting in one of Britain's most respected comedy actors to play a fairly prominent part in Fable 3" "Brilliant" I'd say "Do we have any witty dialogue for him?"
"No sir"
"Oh ok, so we're letting him write his own script? Good idea Jenkins"
"Well, no actually we were thinking of giving him pretty generic dialogue, so that really, there was no point in bothering him in his retirement, but we will any way, so it makes an interesting developer diary we can put on YouTube"
"I've always liked you Jenkins"

Maybe it's the fact that I had just completed Portal 2 before moving to Fable 3, but the occasionally funny dialogue from Fable 2 isn't present here. Fable 3 isn't even remotely funny. Instead it's approach to comedy is lines delivered awkwardly that barely pass the basic definition of "comedy". For example, "oh you're not going to start harping on about item descriptions are you? Because NOBODY READS ITEM DESCRIPTIONS".

Har.
Har.
Har.

That's so funny I could cut off my own chin, stick nails in my eyes and cheese-grater my own scrotum. Granted, a comparison to Portal 2 is unfair, Fable 3's audience is more widespread, more family-friendly (despite being a 16 rated game), when Portal 2's is largely gamers, who (I think it's fair to say) will be intelligent - they would have had to have been to pass through some of Portal's trickier test chambers without resorting to the Internet.

Now then, being king. The big new draw of Fable 3. Hell, Peter Molyneux, when demoing part of the king gameplay at E3 said that you are made king about halfway through the game. So you'd think that it was a really well fleshed-out, interesting part of the game, seeing as you spend one half rallying a fucking revolution to get to the other. No, Peter. That's a lie. You become king about three quarters through the game. And what an experience it is. Totally worth slogging through the same Fable 2 gameplay - with the diminished complexity completely neutered to no complexity whatsoever - for 20 or so hours. I mean, let's consider what you actually get to do when you become king. Well, you get to press A or X a couple of times when presented with the exact kind of obvious moral choices with no impact I've already discussed. Then you get to embark on three of the games most half-arsed quests, the worst offender I can't reveal without it being a spoiler. And let's face it, if I spoil the meagre story offering in Fable, what else is there to hold it up?

Oh yeah, nothing.

Stick with Fable 2.
 

Palademon

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Stick with Fable 1. Then maybe 2.
The humour of Fable 3 is the only thing I found that properly remained, but it only seemed to exist within side quests.
 

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funny review I laughed and agreed. It sucks i spent 60 bucks one something I didn't even find as deep as the original Fable
 

Mace Tulio

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I agree with most of what you're saying, I hate that John Cleese has been turned into a marketing tool, and the royalty aspect of the gameplay had the potential to be so much better. The problem is, this is Molyneux we're talking about. He doesn't exactly have a great track record. Not an excuse, I admit, but still, I came into Fable 3 with very low expectations.

I also agree that Fable 3 doesn't stand up to Fable 2, but in my opinion, neither can hold a candle to Fable: The Lost Chapters.
 

Brutal Peanut

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I actually partially preferred Fable 3 over Fable 2 (I know, I must be stoopid.) But really, I think Fable (& The Lost Chapters) is where it should have ended. I really did like the Lost Chapters.
 

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Fable 3 is better than fable 2. I hardly need to elaborate. The final options were aweful. The gameplay was boring. The choice of clothing was crap. The story was crap. The DLC was crap, the bosses and game were too easy by anyones standards, the game was much too short, the heroes guild and oakvale were destroyed and couldn't be fixed and the other heroes were bellends.

Fable 3 was atleast longer, harder, better made and more enjoyable. If you prefer fable2, then you have clearly never played TLC.

Fable TLC < Fable 3 < Fable 2
 

JEdge

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I did think about mentioning The Lost Chapters, but I thought I'd review it for the people looking at Fable 2 and 3 together on the 360 shelf at Graingergamestationstop, and thinking which is the best out of those. The sad thing is, those guys will go for Fable 3 "because it's a threequel it's got to be the best one, right?".

No, no a million times no. No until it's scorched on the back of your mind and lost all meaning. No until it becomes the only utterance you're capable of making. No as the only word printed on your grave stone as you die a slow unfulfilled death thinking Fable 3 is the best the franchise has to offer.
 

nipsen

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Like the review. Specially the cut-in with the fictional dialogue :) Wish it was possible to get magazines to publish reviews like this, really..
 

Shoggoth2588

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My big thing about Fable 3 was how the moral choices (once you become King) are actually somewhat inverted. I can understand what they were trying to do but by the time my perfectly, paragon, King of Benevolence had completed the quests and saved the Kingdom, he was left with a Kingdom which was overpopulated and stumbling drunk at all hours of the day (I can understand how taxing parents may be negative and I can understand how a drinking limit infringes on personal freedoms a bit but I really don't think my Kingdom benefits from overpopulation of both children and drunks)

I also disliked the new menu building. I loved reading the descriptions of the different items! From Miasmic Cheese to, Hoptimus Prime.
 

shadeira

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nice review

fool me once (fable 1) shame on me
fool me twice (fable 2) shame on you
...but you can never fool me ...again

OH SHIT ^^
I nevertheless bought fable 3 for 60 bucks, still hoping that there is somewhere "a world of tranquility and peace, where the evil locks beneath..." => does anybody else remember the first advertisements ?

what peter promised with fable 1...for me never happened:-(

BUT don't worry I will OF COURSE buy fable 4 on release day ;-),not sure why...
 

Cpt Corallis

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As long as I consider it an adventure game, rather than an RPG, I don't have too many problems with it.
Only real criticism I have with it, is the horribly implemented time limit after becoming king. If it had even functioned on a real, one day in game, one day in the final year style, I wouldn't have minded so much, but making it that abstract, randomly jumping number of days, it was incredibly irritating, making me think the main character is sleeping for weeks at a time.
 

Onyx Oblivion

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I always consider Fables after 1 to be "casual" RPGs. Meant as an intro to the genre, or for people who don't play a lot of games period...and it works rather well, as that. The whole "not dying" thing and all. Judging from what I overhear at the "Graingergamestationstop" when people are browsing the shelves.

Sadly, I don't think I'll be doing a second playthrough of 3, despite enjoying it.

2 will always remain my favorite. By a long shot...There's something about it that I love, and can't put my finger on it...
 

Haydyn

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While Fable 3 stepped more away from the glimmering gold treasure from the gods themselves Fable, I still found Fable 3 better than Fable 2. However, that is not saying SHIT! I did not care for Fable 2 or 3, and I can't even be bothered to play 3 more than once. This is coming from somebody who has had dozens of files for Fable 1 and The Lost Chapters on different Xboxes.

For the love of all that is holy, I want a sequel to Fable that can stand up to the original. Even with Stephen Fry, my favorite voice actor, vocing my favorite character, Reaver, 2 and 3 still do not hold a candle to the original. I must sound like such a fanboy right now, all this "first was best and the sequels suck".
 

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I must have been the only one who liked Fable 3, but I played it entirely in co-op (I even put up with the first half of the game TWICE because the game data corrupted itself).

The most bothersome thing to me was that it simply didn't run well: the screen would blur from the terrible graphical effects (this is on 360, HDTV), my friend and I would have to walk back and forth from area exits to trigger loads, and the aforementioned game data bug.

Still, my friend and I had so much fun goofing around in it that I can't help but have some soft spot for the game.
 

lapan

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Since i already didn't like Fable 2, this just turns me off even more from the series.
 

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MercurySteam said:
JEdge said:
Stick with Fable 2.
No, stick with Fable: The Lost Chapters. The only Fable game that was ever a true gem.
Indeed. It has more soul than any other game I know.

Fable 2 & 3 are more aimed as a sort of D&D platform I think...

(Read this in a monotone teenage voice) "So now, you overtook your evil P-prince brother. You are crowned King of Albion, and now you are surrounded by people that waits for you to either build a school or re-instate a factory. What do you do?"
 

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Warlordnipple said:
funny review I laughed and agreed. It sucks i spent 60 bucks one something I didn't even find as deep as the original Fable
So am I (well...given the Aussie $ ratio at the time, it might be more but that's not the point). I was really disappointed with the last half of the game. I liked the main aim, yet the king role was crap. It was trying to be action-adventure/RPG/sim but the simulation part fell flat on its face and was poorly executed.

I enjoyed Fable 2, though I know some never enjoyed it. Of course Fable: TLC is the best. Molyneux took out the traditional RPG elements to make a more streamline story with action without being bogged down. Problem is, some of the traditional RPG fans like myself, disliked the changes.

As for Cleese, disappointed. A few chuckles but not much and his role poorly executed. I hated the Sanctuary.

Finally, good review. Pretty much agree with everything you have said.