"Just go watch Porn!" (Probably NFSW, duh)

[Dr. Crawver]

The girls in this seem way more fake. I mean, they aren't even real, but more then that, they don't look or act like that in real life. Real women don't have chests the size of beach balls. Even the ditzyist women aren't as ditzy and pandering as these women. So the realism argument goes out the window. Not only do I not find them attractive, I find them creepy. They're just these weird plastic dolls created by sad Japanese men, and I'm painfully aware of that every moment I look at them.

Yeah, I can't help but think this when I see people make the argument he made. I don't want to presume anything about the OP, so I won't. But he has made the argument I've heard be made by many people who really can't/won't talk to girls. Anime is made to be a safe "easy" environment when women are involved, and I can't help but feel it has made a lot of men (okatu's and all that) think that is/should be the norm.

 

[Fox12]

Yeah... I didn't want to go there, but I think you have a point. Everything about it is just so artificial. It's somehow both safe and hyper fetishized at the same time. Real women just don't behave this way. The people who argue that these women have character have a much looser definition of character then I do.

 

[freaper]

hows that line in the Big Lebowski go?

"now that were dealing with those ameteurs, we can't invest little things like production value, story, feelings... people often forget, the brain is the biggest androgynous zone."

Theres an abundance of porn on the internet, but how many of them actually take the time to set up a scenario or even have characters? Most of it is boiled down the essential... which is fine, but sometimes ************, you just want more than that. You wanna work your brain a little bit.

Rumble Roses is a good example of that. No actual porn, but a bunch of lovely ladies, each a bunch of good characters with backstories in their own right.

I think he said erogenous, androgynous gives it a whole different meaning

 

[OldNewNewOld]

It's just a disgusting method of shutting someone up. They don't like it so nobody else likes it.
Even in this thread you can read about attack your taste in porn because it differs from their so it's bad or skewed.

 

[wizzy555]

Yeah... I didn't want to go there, but I think you have a point. Everything about it is just so artificial. It's somehow both safe and hyper fetishized at the same time. Real women just don't behave this way. The people who argue that these women have character have a much looser definition of character then I do.

From what I understand the character of the characters are in the other games and thus back story. Little but still some makes it in to the volley ball game, from what I understand Kasumi starts with a lower opinion of ayane, because those characters have bad history.

But I don't think there is much beyond that in the volleyball game.

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I think it's simply a matter of style and taste, there is a place for pure porn, a place for asexual drama and a place for things in-between.

 

[Something Amyss]

OTOH, that's not to say that a decent work of fiction can't include sexual stuff without it being gratuitous.

Technically? Yes. It's hard to imagine that happening in a video game, though.

I largely agree with the "just go watch porn" crowd, whether it be games or anime. I want something with good gameplay/immersion and a strong plot or with novel concepts.

Okay, but I mean, we're talking about DOAX3. This isn't a game you're playing for "immersion" or gameplay or story and the developers know that. The games have been marketed as titty games. A game like this essentially is watching porn. I mean, I get that you find it pointless, but I doubt anyone posting here is without something that would be considered a kink or a fetish. Except me, because I am pure and chaste and....

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Sorry, what happened? Last thing I knew I was laughing really hard for some reason, then I blacked out. Oh well, moving on.

I'd rather have a DOAX3 situation than a Quiet one. Or a GTA one. Or a GOW one. Why? Because it relegates the porn to the porn games.

This does not undermine Thal's point, because we are talking blatant fanservice specifically.

Complaining that IRL porn is "too fake" seems like a really odd complaint for someone to have when they immediately turn around say they prefer porn of compltely fake people (as in, people who are not real).

There's also the "attractive girls" comparison.

Speaking personally, I find it a bit weird when pornographic...ness is inserted into a setting or environment where it wasn't originally intended to be.

Personally, I find it bloody hilarious. Especially since a lot of nude mod designers seem to have a limited idea as to what a woman looks like.

And finally, fuck people who get down on you for having a preference they don't like or understand.

There's kind of an irony there, though, in that other people's interests and tastes have been judged.

 

[StatusNil]

Because it's trendy to have a rigidly binary, judgmental mentality that reduces everything to black and white (or "of color" and white, as the case may be). Either something is hardcore bangin', or it's pristinely "unsexualized". It's based on the political model of fostering zealous devotion by purposefully dividing people into the stark "progressive" vs. "reactionary Super-Hitler" opposition. Some folks simply import the cultish techniques into every aspect of their thinking, likely unwittingly.

 

[ThatOtherGirl]

There are all sorts of reasons "just go look at porn!" is a completely stupid argument. At the absolute very best it is equivalent to saying "I don't approve of the vector you choose to use to consume porn!" If DOAX is equivalent to porn then they are just looking at porn. It isn't even offensive porn.

DOAX is for titillation, no one can make a reasonable argument against that. But context and style matters to people. Not my thing personally, the excessive boob jiggle goes right to the deepest part of the uncanny valley for me, but the thing about DOAX is it is fairly unique in terms of how it delivers titillation. I can totally understand why people are disappointed it is not being localized.

 

[shrekfan246]

Even in this thread you can read about attack your taste in porn because it differs from their so it's bad or skewed.

Actually, it's more because it reads like OP has never heard of amateur porn and thinks that only the highly-produced stuff with incredibly bad acting and women who've had loads of plastic surgery which makes up the largest stereotype of pornographic films is the entirety of the porn industry.

 

[nomotog_v1legacy]

In theory, the porn could be better. A lot of porn is kind of lacking in imagination, humanity, or even sexiness. The question is if a game like DoAX3 has what porn lacks. With DoAX3 specifically, postulate say no. It is very generic titillation with out much else. Other games can have it. (I found the LKIAB demo to be crazy sexy.) That is also going to be subjective based on the person.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Because other people's tastes make them CONFUSED AND ANGRY! So this becomes a statement to shut down conversation.

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

Even in this thread you can read about attack your taste in porn because it differs from their so it's bad or skewed.

Actually, it's more because it reads like OP has never heard of amateur porn and thinks that only the highly-produced stuff with incredibly bad acting and women who've had loads of plastic surgery which makes up the largest stereotype of pornographic films is the entirety of the porn industry.

And he forgot about Webcam shows, no editing, no cutting, no stopped, just a lot of buffering as your internet gives you blue balls

OT: I would have to say it's a case by case basis, but from what I saw of previous Dead or Alive Xtreme games, such as that time ProtonJon streamed one, I think that would be a good example of "Just watch porn".
It's just a collection of minigames with women in swimwear in them, least with Porn, I get the whole experience.

 

[Dazzle Novak]

Because other people's tastes make them CONFUSED AND ANGRY! So this becomes a statement to shut down conversation.

Conversely, a lot of the "oh-so-thick-skinned" are grossly insecure and need constant reassurance their kinks and habits aren't liable toward criticism like everything else, but "super totes normal, dude". In fact, the people who don't jack off to cartoons or pay $60 for softcore/ blue balls are weird, bro...

OP brought this up. We gave our opinion. He was, and still is, free to enjoy what he wants in peace, free from our input (as long as he doesn't actively solicit it).

A lot of this refusing to call a spade a spade and honestly state intentions. DoAXV is all about beach volleyball. It totally doesn't serve largely masturbatory purposes. Quiet, likewise, tragically breathes through her skin for dramatic purposes. I really want that sexy pizza man to be compensated for exemplary service. Nothing more.

 

[VanQ]

Sometimes I like to look at titties but I don't want to fap. That's where games like this come in. I can also have a bit of fun playing volleyball/whatever and it hurts no one.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Because other people's tastes make them CONFUSED AND ANGRY! So this becomes a statement to shut down conversation.

Conversely, a lot of the "oh-so-thick-skinned" are grossly insecure and need constant reassurance their kinks and habits aren't liable toward criticism like everything else, but "super totes normal, dude". In fact, the people who don't jack off to cartoons or whatever are weird, bro...

OP brought this up. We gave our opinion. He was, and still is, free to enjoy what he wants in peace, free from our input (as long as he doesn't actively solicit it).

A lot of this refusing to call a spade a spade and honestly state intentions. DoAXV is all about beach volleyball. It totally doesn't serve largely masturbatory purposes. Quiet, likewise, tragically breathes through her skin for dramatic purposes. I really want that sexy pizza man to be compensated for exemplary service. Nothing more.

Hyperbole and strawman. A common theme. But not something worth addressing today. I will say that the very first comment in this thread is belittling the OPs taste in porn (of all things) instead of discussing the actual point.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

OP is excited to have discovered a distinction between soft and hardcore porn, I guess? No one really cares if you like titty games, OP. If you view the casual denigration of those titles by a selection of gamers, I'm going to have to ask how or why that is any different from the shit talking ALL games get. Or are we being charitable when people call some games "walking simulators", or "spunkgargleweewee", or talk about a single title being "so bad it retroactively ruined our enjoyment of an entire award winning series". Do you take up in arms in these circumstances too? Or only to defend the titty games? Must we always be lovely and protective towards the titty games in particular, so that some folks don't get sad and assume that laughing at rubbish like DOAX is indicative of a sneer-conspiracy towards long suffering "male demographic"?

Are titty games and softcore anime porn sacrosanct? Or are we allowed to make fun of them, too, like we do everything else depending on our individual tastes?

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

Because other people's tastes make them CONFUSED AND ANGRY! So this becomes a statement to shut down conversation.

Conversely, a lot of the "oh-so-thick-skinned" are grossly insecure and need constant reassurance their kinks and habits aren't liable toward criticism like everything else, but "super totes normal, dude". In fact, the people who don't jack off to cartoons or pay $60 for softcore/ blue balls are weird, bro...

OP brought this up. We gave our opinion. He was, and still is, free to enjoy what he wants in peace, free from our input (as long as he doesn't actively solicit it).

A lot of this refusing to call a spade a spade and honestly state intentions. DoAXV is all about beach volleyball. It totally doesn't serve largely masturbatory purposes. Quiet, likewise, tragically breathes through her skin for dramatic purposes. I really want that sexy pizza man to be compensated for exemplary service. Nothing more.

On the note about Quiet, The "Breathing though her skin" part wasn't the bit that annoyed me, in fact I kinda found it cool because they based it off another character from the series called "The End" who had similar powers and was also an amazing sniper.
The problem was just the design they went with, See, the The End kinda got around the breathing skin thing by wearing a Camo that was made out of actual plants (Which is also the best camo in the entire game).
It also seemed to be connected to his body as when he is dying, all the plants on it are also dying.

So what they could have done was work that into her design, maybe have her own kind of Camo that works in the same matter, re-enforce the connection to one of the best games in the series, maybe show us how cool that would look in Next-Gen and give a more interesting design.

But no...Bikini and Tights ¬_¬

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

And finally, fuck people who get down on you for having a preference they don't like or understand.

There's kind of an irony there, though, in that other people's interests and tastes have been judged.

Personally, I find people who are willing to denigrate another person for having preferences/tastes that they don't are poor human beings, in so doing by saying "fuck them" I mean while their opinion may be valid to them, it doesn't mean their opinion is valid to anyone else and shouldn't be something the person being denigrated should ever have to care about.
Is that muddy? I'm unsure if I can clear that up enough right now...

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

OP is excited to have discovered a distinction between soft and hardcore porn, I guess? No one really cares if you like titty games, OP. If you view the casual denigration of those titles by a selection of gamers, I'm going to have to ask how or why that is any different from the shit talking ALL games get. Or are we being charitable when people call some games "walking simulators", or "spunkgargleweewee", or talk about a single title being "so bad it retroactively ruined our enjoyment of an entire award winning series". Do you take up in arms in these circumstances too? Or only to defend the titty games? Must we always be lovely and protective towards the titty games in particular, so that some folks don't get sad and assume that laughing at rubbish like DOAX is indicative of a sneer-conspiracy towards long suffering "male demographic"?

Are titty games and softcore anime porn sacrosanct? Or are we allowed to make fun of them, too, like we do everything else depending on our individual tastes?

Oh Guppy, you are a voice of reason in an unreasonable world, a shining light of intellectual sexiness in a world of... ugly dumb? I don't know. Good post anyway.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

And I have to wonder...are people really so blind? That maybe its the fact that its not actually porn that makes people like it?

I mean, I'm a red-blooded male with access to the Internet. I've seen porn. But I don't really like it. I feel its incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves...

That, and it seems to ignore personal preference too; maybe someone doesn't like actual sex that much but just likes attractive women? Or prefers the people involved to look like they're actually having fun and and enjoying themselves?

I mean, it just seems...more than a bit out of line to dismiss something with that line (or variations thereof).

I don't know if it's so much dismissal as just not getting the exact appeal of some of these things. The DOAX series are a good example: I don't think I've ever met anyone who considered the little mini-games and volleyball simulator to be so damn good that it was worthy of a $60 purchase, so what possible other appeal can the game have? Oh that's right: hot busty cartoon women in bikinis.

But even not talking about porn, that makes little sense. I can hop onto Youtube right now and watch 1000 different bikini contests. If anime girls are your thing, I could easily find thousands of videos of busty anime or cartoon girls. And again, all of this is FREE. So what possible motivation does someone have to pay that kind of money for something that is available essentially for free all over the place? Don't get me wrong, if you want to buy the DOAX games then feel free, but I can't say that I understand it.

Add onto that the women in porn for the most part don't...look very good. Like at all.

You must have seen a bunch of really bad porn or not watched much of it. Even people I know who vehemently hate porn will admit that a lot of the actresses are gorgeous (though by no means all). Not to mention that there are so many porn actresses out there covering just about every body type and ethnicity imaginable that you'd be hard pressed not to find at least a couple you'd find attractive.