Just got Fallout collection on steam, anything I should know.

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Fallout 1 and 2 (and Tactics) require a bit more patience than Fallout 3, which is why most of the kids today don't like them. They're turn-based and combat is far more strategic than F3's shooter fest. They're also not as hard as some would have you believe, they're just not ridiculously easy like F3 is. That means you've gotta be careful sometimes, and even *gasp* think about what you do instead of running into every situation guns blazing. And yes, it doesn't hurt if you have a basic understanding of how the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system works.

For a new player, the most (I'd even say only) important thing to know is how to make the character you want to play. If you don't want to bother with that you can take any of the pre-generated characters (all of them can finish the game without too much trouble, in both games), and all of them will give you a different gameplay experience. But to me, making your own character is so much more fun.

Females are slightly easier to play because they don't go down as fast from a kick in the crotch, and there are several other minor (mostly dialogue-related) differences between males and females, but in general it doesn't matter too much which one you pick.

The stats... I'm not going to go into those since they depend a lot on your playstyle. I suggest looking up a guide or FAQ or something if you really want to know. They're pretty obvious. I'll just say two things: One, agility is the most important stat in the game, bar none. Yes it depends on playstyle, but sooner or later you will have to fight no matter what your playstyle is, and agility is the god-stat when it comes to fights. Two, playing with minimum intelligence is hilarious, but not recommended for a first playthrough.

Gifted is the best trait in the game, bar none. Get it. Finesse is my personal 2nd favourite, but your mileage may vary. Never pick Skilled. Ever. Jinxed might be worth it, but it will annoy you to death.

For perks, just take stuff that compliments your playstyle. Never pick perks that raise your level or give you more XP, because they suck badly (perks are more important than levels, so wasting a perk to get more levels is stupid). Perks that give you more criticals or enhance your critical hits are always good, since a critical to the head or eyes (later on when you get more accurate you'll be making eye-shots A LOT, unless you picked up the Fast Shot trait) are often an insta-kill even against tough enemies. Also, perks that give you more action points or make your actions cost less points are very good as well. In late-game, close-combat characters should try to get Slayer and ranged characters Sniper. They're the endgame combat perks.

Skills... Only pick one combat skill to focus on, maybe two (taking melee early on helps when weapons and ammo are still scarce). Small guns is probably the best overall combat skill. Speech is very good, but far less so if you don't have good INT and CHA, (making those two pretty important stats, unlike F3 where speech was all that mattered and your stats had little to no influence). First aid is very useful as well.
 

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The Madman said:
Altorin said:
a badly labelled and badly managed spreadsheet.

and really it's nothing like a spreadsheet, I used to work with excel spreadsheets for a living, and inputting 10,000 phone numbers is funner then trying to deal with either of the first 2 fallout games.

Far fewer Radscorpians.
Oh please, rather than acting like the games are the incarnations of boredom given form you could just say "I don't like em!" as you implied with your initial post. We get it!
Oh Please? I couldn't play them. Not back then, and not now. I've tried, several times.

And really, of course what I say is just my opinion, that's sort of implied by me being the one saying it. I mean, if you said it, then it would be your opinion, sort of like that big block of text you typed.. and I'm allowed to have my opinion, no matter how uncomfortable they make you feel for whatever strange reason.

They're classic games. People like them, I concede that. But I didn't attack or insult anyone, so let my statements stand as my opinion. I certainly stand by them as that.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
I've decided just now to buy the fallout collection too.

Go me.
You should totally do it.

Also if you or anybody else like them I would advise getting Planescape: Torment as well.
 
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Axolotl said:
Daystar Clarion said:
I've decided just now to buy the fallout collection too.

Go me.
You should totally do it.

Also if you or anybody else like them I would advise getting Planescape: Torment as well.
Do I need to download any patches? Or does steam do that for me?
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Do I need to download any patches? Or does steam do that for me?
Steam will probably give you the official patches but they're (2 especially) very buggy games. Head over to NMA and get the unofficial patches. The restoration project is also worth checking out.
 
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Axolotl said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Do I need to download any patches? Or does steam do that for me?
Steam will probably give you the official patches but they're (2 especially) very buggy games. Head over to NMA and get the unofficial patches. The restoration project is also worth checking out.
NMA?
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
No Mutants Allowed. Just avoid the forums they tend to be hostile at times. But they have most of the downloads you'll want.
 

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The first two are insanely difficult, especially if you're not used to older PC RPG genre conventions. Wasn't really until Morrowind that the WRPG as we now know it really started to become what it is.

Expect a lot of thinking like a tabletop gamer, just with the computer as DM and throwing the dice. It's frustrating, but eminently satisfying.
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Altorin said:
they're really fucking hard, and really fucking slow.

you also have to read a lot, which I don't care for most of the times in games.
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Jekken6 said:
Fallout 1 and 2 have tediously boring turn based combat, and, to quote Yahtzee (because it is relevant) 'The stats are like managing an excel spreadsheet'.

Great story, atmosphere and music, but if you're doing a direct comparison, Fallout 3 is the overall better game, IMO.
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Altorin said:
Jekken6 said:
Fallout 1 and 2 have tediously boring turn based combat, and, to quote Yahtzee (because it is relevant) 'The stats are like managing an excel spreadsheet'.

Great story, atmosphere and music, but if you're doing a direct comparison, Fallout 3 is the overall better game, IMO.
a badly labelled and badly managed spreadsheet.

and really it's nothing like a spreadsheet, I used to work with excel spreadsheets for a living, and inputting 10,000 phone numbers is funner then trying to deal with either of the first 2 fallout games.

Far fewer Radscorpians.
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CmdrGoob said:
The combat is excruciatingly dull and the start of each game is incredibly boring. I've never managed to get very far in either of them without losing interest, even though I've loved many classic RPGs.

Set expectations to low.
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number2301 said:
I tried FO1 a while back before I got FO3, but I just couldn't get on with the turn based combat. There's nothing more frustrating than shooting at a rat 2 paces away and missing every time. Maybe I'll give it another go.
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You people are just too awesome.
 
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Axolotl said:
Daystar Clarion said:
No Mutants Allowed. Just avoid the forums they tend to be hostile at times.
There's usually a reason for that.

Anyway, Fallout 1 and 2 are not difficult by any means. The right word should be "challenging", possibly, since you can't press a button and automatically shoot a mutants head off and you need to pay attention to what happens since you don't have a quest compass.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Axolotl said:
Daystar Clarion said:
I've decided just now to buy the fallout collection too.

Go me.
You should totally do it.

Also if you or anybody else like them I would advise getting Planescape: Torment as well.
Do I need to download any patches? Or does steam do that for me?
http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=27670

Go here.
 
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WW said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Axolotl said:
Daystar Clarion said:
I've decided just now to buy the fallout collection too.

Go me.
You should totally do it.

Also if you or anybody else like them I would advise getting Planescape: Torment as well.
Do I need to download any patches? Or does steam do that for me?
http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=27670

Go here.
Thanks, that stops me from having to browse through readme files.
 
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Noelveiga said:
Lithuanian Hitman said:
All I'm saying is that there's a reason why most Fallout-fans are unfriendly. You can't get around that. This very thread happen to be a very good example.
Of what? Of people disagreeing with you?

I mean, I like Fallout 1 and 2 and I hate 3, but I'm fine with people who don't like Fallout 1 and 2 not buying Fallout 1 and 2, and even with them saying so publicly. I sure go into every Fallout 3 thread to point out how much worse it is than its prequels and I don't expect "hostility" or unfriendly responses in return.
My brain looked at this thread and decided that the best course of action was to leave this foul place as soon as possible before suicide becomes vital for the sake of intellectual survival. I'm doing my best to keep it from bleeding out through my nose as I write this.

I can live with people disagreeing with me. No problem. That's part of life. My problem lies with stupidity and ignorance, of which there is way too much of here on the Escapist and I've lurked here longer than you've been a registered poster. This thread, and all just like it, offends me greatly because to me it truly represents the absolute worst of todays "gaming generation". Reading is boring. Battles shouldn't take too long. Why is that guy talking? Why isn't that guy exploding? Do we have to walk? Why can't we teleport? Impatience. I hate that shit.

Obviously I'm supposed to act like the better man here, by acting patient towards the impatient. But honestly? I'd rather eat barbed wire and shit wolverines.