Kickstarter Video Project Attracts Misogynist Horde

[Khazoth]

She is, however, getting $70k for producing mediocre material on a saturated subject.

There's an easy solution: don't donate to the kickstarter. No real point in whining about what other people think is a worthwhile thing to spend their money on. After all,

And people wonder why I always chose to side with the USSR in Tropico 4.

 

[Thespian]

Also if you want equality, we talk to men like that too, so fuck off faggo.. I mean lesbian," says Arto572

Guys, we've gotta give props to Arto572. At least he clarified that it's not just being a gay man that's a derogatory trait, but just homosexuals in general.
I applaud you sir.

All in all I don't see much discussion value or literary advantage to this article but it was very funny and entertaining.



[sub]dear lord, 'derogatory trait'? 'literary advantage'? I am making no sense. My brain is officially fried from exams e.e [/sub]

 

[Angryman101]

She is, however, getting $70k for producing mediocre material on a saturated subject.

There's an easy solution: don't donate to the kickstarter. No real point in whining about what other people think is a worthwhile thing to spend their money on. After all,

I'm not whining, I'm just stating that it irritates my IBS that 1. she's getting so much money for bullshit and 2. that I didn't think of it first.

 

[Khazoth]

I'm not whining, I'm just stating that it irritates my IBS that 1. she's getting so much money for bullshit and 2. that I didn't think of it first.

Its not too late to join in on my kickstarter on the subject of creating a video that investigates the advanced theory of how gaming makes you appear more attractive to the opposite sex.

I'm asking for ten thousand, naturally.

 

[Furrama]

She asked for 6,000. She's putting it up for everyone to watch for free. I can easily see where 6,000 dollars would go in the production she described. Games, platforms she might not have, big heavy books and other sources that don't run cheap, lights, upkeep on the camera, software, lots of things. Plus the hours of work one would put into the the thing. That much for what she wants to do makes sense with market standards.

People... people gave her more than that. A sign of solidarity perhaps, but they gave it to her. Don't be mad at her for getting far more than she asked for. That's like getting mad at a street performer for getting a few extra $50 dollars put in his hat by some kindly strangers who liked his work.

And it's not 50,000 anymore. It's 70,893. And growing by the hundreds every other refresh.

As far as your stance on feminism, I'm sorry you feel that way. True feminism strives for equality for both men and women, and I'm sorry that you don't want that. As far as why people care so much about video games? I dunno, why are you commenting on a gaming website?

What makes me bilious is that she shouldn't be asking for shit. As I said, she's doing what hundreds of people have done before her. She's not going to add anything new to the discussion. Everyone is aware of the issue.
She is, however, getting $70k for producing mediocre material on a saturated subject. I have no doubt that she's getting even more money now because people are like 'misogynists! well now i'm giving her MORE money because fuck those dirty men! this'll show them.' She doesn't deserve that money, and this whole thing is a clusterfuck of self righteous feminists and dumb people on youtube.
Don't care to argue about feminism. As for your question, it's because I enjoy occasionally playing video games, and sometimes discussing thematic qualities and how they reflect on society. I don't care enough to get mad at the subject matter of the videos themselves, nor am I passionate about video games. I'd much rather be, I dunno, leatherworking or working on some other practical skills than just passively consuming entertainment.

So, you're shaming her because you don't think she deserves anything, that the discussion has been had and that everything is over. Are things... better though after said discussion?

The discussion will be had again and again, and the same general points made over and over, with better and better quality, until things change. That's how change works. Very rarely do I hear someone make an original point never thought of before. Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't the first nor the last to talk about the issues surrounding race in America. Things are better than they were, but things are not where they could be, should be.

People donating, for the most part, have no ill feelings toward the things that are men. There are men donating after all, many women are married to them, have them as sons, so forth. People do have ill feelings to what they perceive as jerkbacks. That I can abide. The money has ceased to become mere funding and has become a statement: "Jerkbags. No. Stop it. We're tired of your crap."

 

[Angryman101]

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And I didn't even cover the original $6k park. Books? On fucking WHAT?! Proper characterization? You can look at thousands of example online for free. Lighting? Garbage. You can do this shit with a webcam and some household lamps. I know, I've done it.
She should have been doing this for free, put out a QUALITY product, and then made money off of the quality of her product.
Except, of course, she never would have made anywhere near this much money because her shit is cookie-cutter and been done before.

 

[scw55]

I think it's a fair project. But the problem with the topic is sexism is that it often is sexist. Ironic. For hundreds of years women have been suppressed. I approve of feminism. You just need to remember masculinism.

For example.
Now it is fine in society for women to play Soccer/Football.
A man playing Netball is considered 'odd' by society.

Media thinks homosexual women are hot.
Media think homosexual men are flamboyant.

Media generally makes women look like sex-sticks.
Media to a lesser degree, but majorly in Video Games makes men look like walking Beefcakes.

I think it's easier for a woman to achieve the physique for female Cosplay than a Man for a male Cosplay (ignoring prosthetics).


In short, I agree with what she's trying to achieve, but I think it may unintentionally reinforce that only Women are victimise by sexism. Come on, look at craft kits aimed at children. They make things like Candles, Soaps and Pretty things and the packaging has girly colour schemes with flowers and love hearts. It conforms to the female stereotype and at the same time excludes males. There are rarely any gender-neutral stereotype Art Kits, even then society seems to encourage young girls to make things rather than boys.

Ironically, if you look at adults with regards to Art, you find the majority of well-known current artists to be men. Barely any female artists. But wait, I thought in my University Course 85% of the students were female. WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE WORLD?

It seems society encourages female artists when they're young but only want Male Adult artists.

 

[Jamous]

Oh joy; a pleasant reminder such misogyny remains in our community. Fuck's sake.

 

[Angryman101]

So, you're shaming her because you don't think she deserves anything, that the discussion has been had and that everything is over. Are things... better though after said discussion?

The discussion will be had again and again, and the same general points made over and over, with better and better quality, until things change. That's how change works. Very rarely do I hear someone make an original point never thought of before. Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't the first nor the last to talk about the issues surrounding race in America. Things are better than they were, but things are not where they could be, should be.

People donating, for the most part, have no ill feelings toward the things that are men. There are men donating after all, many women are married to them, have them as sons, so forth. People do have ill feelings to what they perceive as jerkbacks. That I can abide. The money has ceased to become mere funding and has become a statement: "Jerkbags. No. Stop it. We're tired of your crap."

I'm shaming her because she is making money off of this for not doing anything new or interesting. She's getting money because 'feminism, yay!'
I don't give a shit about 'jerkbags', as you so eloquently put it. And comparing some shitty writing and side boob exposure to the civil rights movement is pretty god damn blasphemous.

 

[Khazoth]

Five seconds of searching netted me this video of hers..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe65EGkB9kA&feature=relmfu

Now please tell me how she needs a better camera, lighting, and editing software.

Tell me in detail what six thousand is for, not vague "She needs it for research."

 

[Richardplex]

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Maybe if I underline and bold the text people would read it: I don't care about your opinion about the video, everyone has already quoted me and told me everything about it, stop quoting me just because I'm on the front page. You have just linked a survey, which I'm fairly sure is going to be irrelevant. While I can't actually read it because I just get an error message for my trouble, I'm almost certain it's going to include mmo's, and/or social games. This documentary targets 'core' games, which is covered by what he said.

Basically, you said you were going to tell me what you thought about the video despite the fact that I could not care less what people think about it, but actually went of and completely tangented. No-one asked for you to critique any character here, this is not the thread for that.

 

[Furrama]

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And I didn't even cover the original $6k park. Books? On fucking WHAT?! Proper characterization? You can look at thousands of example online for free. Lighting? Garbage. You can do this shit with a webcam and some household lamps. I know, I've done it.
She should have been doing this for free, put out a QUALITY product, and then made money off of the quality of her product.
Except, of course, she never would have made anywhere near this much money because her shit is cookie-cutter and been done before.

Did you not read the part where I said: "She asked for 6,000. She's putting it up for everyone to watch for free. I can easily see where 6,000 dollars would go in the production she described. Games, platforms she might not have, big heavy books and other sources that don't run cheap, lights, upkeep on the camera, software, lots of things. Plus the hours of work one would put into the the thing. That much for what she wants to do makes sense with market standards."

Look into real video production, find out how much the good stuff costs, (camera, microphone, lights, sound proofing), look at game platforms and the games themselves, find how much that costs, look into time spent researching and script writing and editing, look into someone who knows how to edit video and find out the going rate per hour of work. Look into how much standard editing software goes for, especially the annual renewable licences for using it commercially. You guys have no idea. Noooooo idea. This is meant to be professional level, not the at home webcam "anyone can do it" kind of production. Get that idea out of your head.

 

[Eamar]

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I would like to clarify that I honestly wasn't trying to attack you personally. Really. I'm not trying to "cover my ass to avoid moderator wrath." You can choose to believe that if you like, but believe me that's not how it was meant. I apologise if I misinterpreted what you meant in the original post re: sexualisation and women as sex objects. If you weren't implying what I thought you were implying then my subsequent comments were groundless. I got the wrong end of the stick.

I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive with the Google comment, but I was exasperated and resorted to sarcasm. Again, apologies.

Now, to address your criticisms of each of the characters.

Alyx: she's slim, yes, but not unhealthy looking. Plenty of women are naturally thin, and I certainly know more women who look like her than ones who resemble Bayonetta or old-school Lara Croft. I don't think the lack of the PC's personality is good grounds for criticising her: most first person games don't give the PC much personality. It's so the player can project themselves onto the template. And bringing the developer into this proves nothing. The point of me giving these examples was so I could demonstrate the sort of characters I'd like to see more of.

Samus: I deliberately specified original Samus. That is, pre-Other M Samus. You say you're aware of the controversy, so you'll know the zero suit and her character in general in that game is considered an insult to the original character. So your comments are all valid, but do not relate to my example. And no she doesn't speak, she's another example of a silent protagonist. The point is that, once her gender was revealed, male players were not alienated by a female PC.

Kat: I think you're scraping the bottom of the barrel here. That's not meant to be an insult, it just seems like you're reaching.

Wynne: what sort of criticism is that? Yes, that's a woman. An old woman who hasn't been prettied up. What's your point?

"The girl" or "the chick" is a general trope in entertainment media. See here for many, many examples: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChick
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FiveManBand/VideoGamesA-C

As for your final comment, again yes I was annoyed, no I have no problem with you personally. Choose to believe it or don't. I've apologised, for what it's worth.

 

[Furrama]

Five seconds of searching netted me this video of hers..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe65EGkB9kA&feature=relmfu

Now please tell me how she needs a better camera, lighting, and editing software.

Tell me in detail what six thousand is for, not vague "She needs it for research."

I guess if you're donating you're just gonna have to trust her now aren't ya?

Figure in hourly wage and time spent. And it does sound like she needs better sound proofing or a better mic. Something. I hear an echo.

 

[Angryman101]

Again, show it. I fail to see any actual examples to anything remotely close to what she does. I did the youtube search and all I found was people raging about the depiction of women as sex objects. I know that, I want to see people actually talking about those tropes that you want to read of from tvtropes. Examples, discussion value, origins. I fail to see any link in your repeating of the same stupid block of text to one or two of those "thousand" of webseries that should exist all over the interwebz.

Not only that, I can't even find every trope she listed on TV Tropes. Only some of the most popular. Come on, stop spitting hot air and contribute something.

Then go to a fucking videogame forum like this one or a feminist forum and make a thread about it. I've been here sporadically for years, I've seen HUNDREDS of them. She's not an expert, not a doctor, she's some chick making an amateur fucking video series. Textual debates are better than one-sided statements of facts and opinions and you can easily provide and check sources.
Or check for these things yourself, FOR FREE, instead of getting a biased paraphrased reading of half-baked sources.
And those tvtrope pages have deeper discussions in the examples and the comment pages.
Or have her create her series and give her money based on the quality of the product she delivers.

 

[Khazoth]

Again, show it. I fail to see any actual examples to anything remotely close to what she does. I did the youtube search and all I found was people raging about the depiction of women as sex objects. I know that, I want to see people actually talking about those tropes that you want to read of from tvtropes. Examples, discussion value, origins. I fail to see any link in your repeating of the same stupid block of text to one or two of those "thousand" of webseries that should exist all over the interwebz.

Not only that, I can't even find every trope she listed on TV Tropes. Only some of the most popular. Come on, stop spitting hot air and contribute something.

Then go to a fucking videogame forum like this one or a feminist forum and make a thread about it. I've been here sporadically for years, I've seen HUNDREDS of them. She's not an expert, not a doctor, she's some chick making an amateur fucking video series. Textual debates are better than one-sided statements of facts and opinions and you can easily provide and check sources.
Or check for these things yourself, FOR FREE, instead of getting a biased paraphrased reading of half-baked sources.
And those tvtrope pages have deeper discussions in the examples and the comment pages.
Or have her create her series and give her money based on the quality of the product she delivers.[/quote]

Examples of people talking about sexism in gaming? Really? There are more links but i'm fairly sure if I posted them all my brain, and this thread, would explode. I found all of this videos in less then five seconds, on the first page of search results, and there were soooo many more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU0XPZ4PIEs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rysSEiBO9g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_9nj-Xngpc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4l5W4O2EBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CBn9Oq6w0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDoqqddw-SQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIAgXsKcMmU