Kickstarter Video Project Attracts Misogynist Horde

[Condiments]

What of this 'happiness' dissonance that bore the feminist movement in the first place? Clearly a host of women were unhappy with the limited station of their role in society for such an influential movement to be created.

I only got this far so I'll just reply to it.
Feminism as a movement to increase women's happiness has failed, and thus should be destroyed.
Also, I invite you to think about who really benefited from women gaining financial independence. Was it the women who have become less and less happy as years have gone by, or is it the corporate entities that control the country who enjoyed looking at a market that doubled in size?

Even going by your barebones logic, women will simply return to their original state as housewives, which is another state of unhappiness as well(as the feminist movement informs this is ALSO an unhappy state). If anything unhappiness for women extends from the outdated stereotypes associated with the genders. Women in the coming years will be the primary earners of households, and are still expected to be the primary caregivers of children and house cleaners. In many ways they still retain many of the responsibilities they had before, but men haven't budged in their willingness to extend theirs.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

Yes it does, you just aren't looking in between the lines. Women don't want to be housewives because feminism makes them think that is shameful, and they will be happy as man-jawed shark-eyed careerist women because they are men's equals, roar! Surely if career success makes men happy, it'll make me happy as well!

Well you couldn't possibly get any more bigoted in your view of feminism, so I'm not going to debate you on it. Good day to ye.

 

[Burst6]

You can make biology your ***** by assuaging it and using it to your advantage to make you happier. Taking away biology means taking away happiness. Is that really what you want?

You know.. i fear that i can't continue this conversation without sounding like a mad scientist. Oh well here we go.

Happiness is nothing but a chemical released in our brain that triggers when we do something that evolution decided was good for us. As humanity learns more and more about our brain we will eventually figure out how it works and get used to its functions. From then on it shouldn't be too difficult to move a few neurons here and there and change when the dopamine gets released. The brain is nothing more than a complicated computer and we just need to figure out the code.

So for example, we would be able to take the part of our mind that gives us dopamine whenever we shoot down someone else's argument without listening (useful back then when we lived in caves to unite a group easily, not so much now), and switch it around so it gets released when we listen and weight both sides carefully.

Yeah the technology is far off but we'll get there as long as we don't destroy ourselves. We can never take away biology, but that doesn't mean we have to stick with what evolution gave us.

 

[Knight Templar]

Her idea being good or bad doesn't matter.

Acting like that is simply wrong, and you are disgusting if you think otherwise.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Smurfette principle

Your wrong, Clearing the Eye definitely "gets it [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/7.378338.14792236]".

OP:Out of curiosity, has she covered the stereotypical ways men are depicted in video games and other forms of media? ...or is this just another person telling me how feminism is somehow concerned about men, yet they are reluctant to focus on it?

 

[4173]

But you're quite fine with stating that the lives of feminists are not 'better' than they were forty years ago, despite the fact that in forty years many more women now enjoy the same privileges men do.

Uh...yeah, because they're unhappy. What's the point of advancement if people aren't happier? That's the point of my entire argument.

It isn't necessary about happiness but the potential for happiness, for self and others.

(Unless you want to talk about "happiness" derived from achieving whatever change was the goal, and not necessarily the results. If we go down that rabbit hole the already dubious labels become farce; Are satisfaction or closure happiness, how long should one be happy because an event, how do we handle happiness brought about by making someone else happy?)

Because what your reductionist view of the world fails to take into account is that you can still have problems, but they're problems you have more control over than you would if you lived with fewer privileges. What I'm saying is that there's a difference between being unhappy because you have a high pressure job and being unhappy because you're forced into being a housewife, because even if the former makes you statistically unhappier (which I highly doubt), the independence it offers is viewed by many as a significant enough factor that they would prefer it to being a full time cook, cleaner and baby minder.

The pursuit of immediate happiness does not drive the decision making of every person in the world, believe it or not.

Yes it does, you just aren't looking in between the lines. Women don't want to be housewives because feminism makes them think that is shameful, and they will be happy as man-jawed shark-eyed careerist women because they are men's equals, roar! Surely if career success makes men happy, it'll make me happy as well!

So what, the first feminists were just douchebags out to trick gullible women? How far back do you blame them: voting? owning property?

Just how much protection do these simple, delicate women need from the ability to make choices?

Out of morbid curiosity: what about husbands? Are they just poor brainwashed saps who actually should be out eating raw meat and wrestling bears?

 

[Darkmantle]

Please point out where my claims are inaccurate. The study indicates that men who are benevolently sexist are happier, and the women in their lives, typically wives and girlfriends, are happier due to their being taken care of and cherished. The attitude of women being things to be protected and provided for are what make the women happier and believe that the gender economics are fair and equitable.

All that response tells me is that you read the abstract. I can identify at least two claims in the quoted paragraph that are emphatically not supported by the study's findings. Can you?

holy fuck man. if it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOO obvious to you, then just fucking do it. reading your last 5 comments has really been grating on my nerves. you are the most condescending person I have ever seen post on these forums. You are no better than the guy who misread the study if you are going to sit here and talk down to him, all the while never enlightening him of his mistakes. Stop being so condescending.

Jesus fucking Christ, you're as immature as you claim your opponent is.

 

[NaramSuen]

The reaction to this woman's request saddened me greatly. Regardless of whether or not you agree with her opinions and conclusions, to respond with racist and sexist slurs is unacceptable; grow-up and debate her on the merits of her arguments. Also, if you don't want to fund her videos, don't fund her videos. Pretty simple. I watched a number of her videos after this controversy hit and I think that she raises some good points that are worthy of discussion. I wish her luck with her project.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

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Maybe if I underline and bold the text people would read it: I don't care about your opinion about the video, everyone has already quoted me and told me everything about it, stop quoting me just because I'm on the front page. You have just linked a survey, which I'm fairly sure is going to be irrelevant. While I can't actually read it because I just get an error message for my trouble, I'm almost certain it's going to include mmo's, and/or social games. This documentary targets 'core' games, which is covered by what he said.

Actually, the "survey" I linked to you is from data gathered by members of the ESA, or Entertainment Software Association. You know, the guys who make E3, have all of the biggest publishers among their ranks including (EA, Ubisoft, Nintendo and Microsoft)and tend to include some of the biggest and most respected developers as well, including Konami, Eidos and Capcom, but no, I'm sure you can write off my evidence without ever even looking at it.

And sarcasm aside, I kinda can't help but smirk at your attempts to use the term "Core Gamer". What, did we suddenly start believing that playing certain games made you an inferior type of gamer compared to those who play call of duty? My friend, the whole "Oh, if you play Angry Birds or WoW, then you're not a normal gamer" is a bunch of bullshit, especially since those two markets are probably one of the most profitable markets in gaming.

Basically, you said you were going to tell me what you thought about the video despite the fact that I could not care less what people think about it, but actually went of and completely tangented. No-one asked for you to critique any character here, this is not the thread for that.

Well you should care about it. You posted it because you believed it illustrated your point. If it didn't you probably wouldn't have posted it. Now people are calling you out the video you have chosen to represent your point because, or at least in my case, the information it used was false. Sorry mate, but people are going to keep calling you out on it until this thread dies or you remove the video. Simple as that.

And your right, the thread is about a bunch of Youtubers criticizing a critique of woman in video games and your video is a critique of that very critique. Please, this entire thread is nothing, BUT criticism!

 

[Brad Shepard]

Yea, because guys are not stereotyped at all in video games.

 

[Brian MacInnes]

As usual, no strife in the Metroid community. Or Zelda, I see. This controversy is limited almost exclusively to shitty games.

 

[Pebkio]

Everyone is wrong about this... everyone ever! Why do any of you have an opinion about this?

Everyone who wants to see this will go and spend their money on something that doesn't harm anyone.
Everyone who doesn't want to see this will not waste their money on some one-sided drivel.

Or that's how it should be... but then!... idiots couldn't help but post some hate-speech.

Hey! Guess what? There was once a documentary about Beryllium. Beryllium is a weakling atom with only two outer electrons and should stay in the kitchen/laboratory where it belongs. There, now go give a crap about that film. My point is that, by being so reactionary, everyone is keeping the hate-speech alive. If we all just ignored every sexist/racist/keplerist, then they'd eventually just go off and circle-jerk themselves into oblivion.

...I'm angry at most of you...

 

[Norix596]

Man, the people cited as examples give young men, gamers and society a bad image.

 

[Grunt_Man11]

Man, the people cited as examples give young men, gamers and society a bad image.

They give all of humanity a bad name.

Everyone is wrong about this... everyone ever! Why do any of you have an opinion about this?

Everyone who wants to see this will go and spend their money on something that doesn't harm anyone.
Everyone who doesn't want to see this will not waste their money on some one-sided drivel.

Or that's how it should be... but then!... idiots couldn't help but post some hate-speech.

Hey! Guess what? There was once a documentary about Beryllium. Beryllium is a weakling atom with only two outer electrons and should stay in the kitchen/laboratory where it belongs. There, now go give a crap about that film. My point is that, by being so reactionary, everyone is keeping the hate-speech alive. If we all just ignored every sexist/racist/keplerist, then they'd eventually just go off and circle-jerk themselves into oblivion.

...I'm angry at most of you...

If only more people tried doing what this fellow suggests. I know it can be hard to ignore the people who spout hateful tripe but we can at least try to deny these people the one thing they want the most, attention.

But if you must make a witty reply to something you disagree with, then just stick with the following standby:

 

[Darkness665]

Then I could get any girl I want, have a family, and be respected by everyone! Man, I'll be soooo happy.'
Etc.

And I will be happy when you can only get a woman that actually WANTS you.