Kids to be banned from playing tag outside.

[RaikuFA]

id rather them be playing tag than thugball

 

[theNater]

ok if they where being decent parents they would not let or tell there kids play in a parking lot, must of the time kids would just be told to just play outside their house but kids will follow their friends to places to play and where all the other kids play, parents don't always know that their childs run off somewhere to play with other kids

It is their responsibility to know, although I recognize that it's not always easy. However, no one would be trying to make this rule if the kids weren't playing in the parking lot regularly. If it was a one-time thing, then it might be excusable for the parents to not know.

Your 1st point I completly agree with but is that what the parents in question are doing?

The children of the parents in question are playing in a place that is not an acceptable place for children to play. If the parents were providing an acceptable place to play, the children wouldn't be in the parking lot.

Could you please specify what types of places you are refering to, as I do not know much about the area in question.

I don't know the area either; all the information I have comes from looking over the satellite view on Google maps. From that, I was able to spot a church about a 2-minute walk away with a lawn(and church parking lots often have long, regular periods when they go unused), and a neighborhood of houses with lawns a 10-minute walk away, across one minor street. If the parents were to get the permission of the church or the homeowners, the kids could have a safe place to play that they could walk to.

 

[Titan Buttons]

It is their responsibility to know, although I recognize that it's not always easy. However, no one would be trying to make this rule if the kids weren't playing in the parking lot regularly. If it was a one-time thing, then it might be excusable for the parents to not know.

Hmmm what you say is true but the problem I find is that the law does not just cover the parking lot it also covers several of the streets around the area which I asume are the ones outside some of the kids houses which is going too far a kid should be allowed to play in the street out side their home unless it's a major high. They should be allowed to play hand ball on the sidewalk and draw over half the street with chalk, it's a residential area drives shouldn't be speeding and naturally looking out for kids. Also said kids should scatter onto the closest sidewalk at the 1st sign of a car and leave any ball to its poping fate I know I have had too.

The children of the parents in question are playing in a place that is not an acceptable place for children to play. If the parents were providing an acceptable place to play, the children wouldn't be in the parking lot.

I think your going a bit too far with parental blame, parents can only provide an acceptable place to play when there is one avaliable too them.

I don't know the area either; all the information I have comes from looking over the satellite view on Google maps. From that, I was able to spot a church about a 2-minute walk away with a lawn(and church parking lots often have long, regular periods when they go unused), and a neighborhood of houses with lawns a 10-minute walk away, across one minor street. If the parents were to get the permission of the church or the homeowners, the kids could have a safe place to play that they could walk to.

The church idea does seem like a very good option, although when a service is on the child might be forced to leave as kids like to make noise which will probably interrupt the mass. Also some churches have there parking lots fenced off as to stop people using it when a service is not on so when one does come on the lot isn't half full. I'm not sure if that is only for churches attached to school or if the parking lot in question has one I just know that some do.
That seems weird too me. can you imagen someone knock at the fromt door to your house and then asking you if their kids can play on your lawn, I honestly wouldn't know how to respond. I mean it's a good idea I just doubt it will get any results. Seriously, people in gerenal will just not allow a random person's kids to just play on their lawn out of the blue like that, well you get someone nice enough to say yes but a lot of people put a fair bit of effort into maintaining a lawn and wouldn't want to risk it all going to waste. It is a brilliant idea that would have never even crossed my mind but again I doubt people would so generous to strangers.

 

[theNater]

Hmmm what you say is true but the problem I find is that the law does not just cover the parking lot it also covers several of the streets around the area which I asume are the ones outside some of the kids houses which is going too far a kid should be allowed to play in the street out side their home unless it's a major high. They should be allowed to play hand ball on the sidewalk and draw over half the street with chalk, it's a residential area drives shouldn't be speeding and naturally looking out for kids. Also said kids should scatter onto the closest sidewalk at the 1st sign of a car and leave any ball to its poping fate I know I have had too.

I highly recommend looking at a map of the area. Google maps is online, free, and provides a very clear picture with its satellite mode.

I think your going a bit too far with parental blame, parents can only provide an acceptable place to play when there is one avaliable too them.

People don't suddenly become parents. Even the most clueless get a good 3 months of warning, and then there's a year or two before the kid needs room to run around. That's plenty of time to find a play space or move somewhere with one.

The church idea does seem like a very good option, although when a service is on the child might be forced to leave as kids like to make noise which will probably interrupt the mass. Also some churches have there parking lots fenced off as to stop people using it when a service is not on so when one does come on the lot isn't half full. I'm not sure if that is only for churches attached to school or if the parking lot in question has one I just know that some do.

All of this is something the parents would need to work out with the people who manage the building and grounds. I suspect a reasonable agreement could be made.

That seems weird too me. can you imagen someone knock at the fromt door to your house and then asking you if their kids can play on your lawn, I honestly wouldn't know how to respond. I mean it's a good idea I just doubt it will get any results. Seriously, people in gerenal will just not allow a random person's kids to just play on their lawn out of the blue like that, well you get someone nice enough to say yes but a lot of people put a fair bit of effort into maintaining a lawn and wouldn't want to risk it all going to waste. It is a brilliant idea that would have never even crossed my mind but again I doubt people would so generous to strangers.

Going door-to-door is not ideal. However, those are the sorts of houses people with children should be living in. Starting by observing which houses already have children playing in their yards, then going up with an approach of "my kids don't have a good place to play, could they come play with your kids" would probably fare better.

Edited for grammar.

 

[RatRace123]

The over protective nature of parents today sucks. I had some of the best times in my childhood playing outside.
Putting kids in protective bubbles may keep them from getting injured (god forbid) but it's just...wrong somehow.

 

[Wrds]

Kind of reminds me of that group that wants to make it possible for parents to read their kid's private files and information in college. For fucks sake, people have to understand the concept of the good enough mother, or in this case parent. If you fiddle a child too much they're going to believe there's something wrong with themselves and cling to their parents long after they should.

 

[deleted_by_strongbad]

Tag? They still let kids play that horrible game that stigmatizes them against the "it" demographic? Also some may trip and fall down!!! Oh the Humanity!!!

though, you can't really take away a toy the kid isn't using anyhow.
http://youtu.be/M0VOVuxiahk <-jeff lewis comedy hour episode about Tag.

 

[The .50 Caliber Cow]

Banning tag? Tag, the game EVERY, SINGLE, CHILD, plays at one point in their lives? Really?

I have no words.

Spoiler: Will this image suffice?

Oh, dear, good sir.. You have made me laugh this day. I very, very rarely laugh at these 'suitable pictures' but this one took the cookie, biscuit, and the whole damn bakery.

OT: I'm against it, but I'm also against McDonalds preaching to kids about getting more exercise. Like having a trained assassin telling you to drink milk, so you can have strong bones.. For when he breaks your neck.

Choose one or choose the other, fat, lazy kids with no self-esteem, or thinner, healthier kids with a few bumped knees and scraped elbows. A little accidental rough-housing never did more harm than the exercise did good.

My pleasure. I thought it was appropriate.

 

[Titan Buttons]

I highly recommend looking at a map of the area. Google maps is online, free, and provides a very clear picture with its satellite mode.

Well I've always been terrible with google maps so I'm not sure if I'm looking at the correct area in Florida since the point on the map I'm looking at is in the middle of a highway

People don't suddenly become parents. Even the most clueless get a good 3 months of warning, and then there's a year or two before the kid needs room to run around. That's plenty of time to find a play space or move somewhere with one.

No offece but that's a very optimistic view of the world if you believe everyone has the ability to move in the event that they find out they are going to be parents

All of this is something the parents would need to work out with the people who manage the building and grounds. I suspect a reasonable agreement could be made.

Agreed

Going door-to-door is not ideal. However, those are the sorts of houses people with children should be living in. Starting by observing which houses already have children playing in their yards, then going up with an approach of "my kids don't have a good place to play, could they come play with your kids" would probably fare better.

Edited for grammar.

You raise a fair point and it would probably fare better with such an approach, but I doubt it will yeild the optimal result needed for how many kids would there must be. After all you don't make a such a law because 2 kids are messing up.

 

[claymoreguy18]

Alright now they're just getting ridiculous kids need to play outside and get a little roughed up its part of growing up its though these painful experiences that we learn and mature. If this law passes I will lose faith in humanity.

 

[Buizel91]

People are stupid.

apart from many people on this site...i think this place is the last safe haven for the smarter person... xD

But seriously, this is stupid, what do they expect kids to do if they are not allowed to play tig? :S

 

[DemonicVixen]

http://www.clickorlando.com/family/27381829/detail.html

O.O

Honestly, I'm disgusted with how obsessed parents are with kid safety these days. This isn't the only place I've heard of where parents are limiting kids from having fun. On the radio the other day I heard a dad who was describing a school that sent out a letter to all parents because two kids were arm wrestling. Not violent fighting or anything, just who can wrestle their opponent's arm down. I also heard about a summer camp for kids where they've banned ball tag.

Ugh.

So, do you people have opinions on how kids are overprotected these days? Oh sure, supervision is important depending on how long you leave kids out to play but they need to learn to fend for themselves.

Your thoughts Escapist?

The only game i'm opposed to playing outside is Hide and Seek. Its the only game I find unsafe after one of the kids I used 2 babysit went missing because she'd wandered off into the next street (even after being told to stay in our street). Had all of us worried.
Plus my hometown is getting rather big on stories of abuse etc so I worry that if the child wanders off, someone might just pick her up (rumour of a paedophile living not far away).
Tag??? Bugger that. I love that game. The only time I dont is if the kids in question get too rough and hit/push the others over.

 

[TehIrishSoap]

In Ireland, we have a game called "Wild Rover" its great fun!
Basically, boys and girls go to one side of the playground, hold hands and form a link, and you run towards them, and you have to break the link.
Intense stuff! But its banned pretty much everywhere now

 

[Buizel91]

People are stupid.

apart from many people on this site...i think this place is the last safe haven for the smarter person... xD

But seriously, this is stupid, what do they expect kids to do if they are not allowed to play tig? :S

If i got fined for letting my kids play outside, i wouldn't pay it, they can take me to court or put me in jail, but i'm pretty sure someone would see sense.

LOL can just imagine it now

"So why are you in jail"..."Killed a guy, you?"..."Let my child play tig outside"...O.O

 

[dslatch]

Even 5 or 6 years shit was different, i wasn't wearing a helmet playing on the lawn with disinfectant always in reach i was with my dad cutting down big ass birch trees then chaining em to a tractor then the best part was (this would insta kill new age parents) i would ride the log back to the splitter like a board.

This will be the down fall of western society because the generation after this will be a few hundred million pussies that can't hold a butter knife without mommy's permission.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

i dont care if tag gets banned in my area, when i have kids they will be able to do all the stuff i did as a kid.

 

[Sarge034]

Banning tag? Tag, the game EVERY, SINGLE, CHILD, plays at one point in their lives? Really?

I have no words.

Spoiler: Will this image suffice?

That was ok, but I have a better one...

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[theNater]

Well I've always been terrible with google maps so I'm not sure if I'm looking at the correct area in Florida since the point on the map I'm looking at is in the middle of a highway

Is the highway N Ridgewood Ave? If so, you probably just need to zoom in. That's one things I find interesting: Persimmon Place Condo, which is the region this affects, is so small it barely shows up on a map of Persimmon Place Condo.

No offece but that's a very optimistic view of the world if you believe everyone has the ability to move in the event that they find out they are going to be parents

First, some of these people are moving to this neighborhood, despite already being parents. If they're moving to these condos, they clearly have the ability to move.

Second, they don't have to move. They have to do one of the following:

1)Move
2)Construct(with help from other parents in the neighborhood) an acceptable play area nearby
3)Schedule time to take their kids to an acceptable play area(possibly taking turns with other parents)
4)Arrange an acceptable play area(as with the church or nearby homes with yards)
5)Resolve themselves to the fact that their kids won't have an acceptable play area

They get to choose which, but these parents have chosen none of these. They have instead decided to declare the parking lot an acceptable play area. That is not okay.

You raise a fair point and it would probably fare better with such an approach, but I doubt it will yeild the optimal result needed for how many kids would there must be. After all you don't make a such a law because 2 kids are messing up.

There's almost as many houses up there as condos affected by this rule. The kids from those houses are likely to be playing together already(and sharing lawn space); mixing in the kids from the condos won't overload the area.

 

[Titan Buttons]

Is the highway N Ridgewood Ave? If so, you probably just need to zoom in. That's one things I find interesting: Persimmon Place Condo, which is the region this affects, is so small it barely shows up on a map of Persimmon Place Condo.

Thank you, that was very helpful. OK now I'm really confused as to which parking lot the law is covering an also why the kids just don't go and play in the woods or the mostly open area behind the condos.

First, some of these people are moving to this neighborhood, despite already being parents. If they're moving to these condos, they clearly have the ability to move.

Second, they don't have to move. They have to do one of the following:

1)Move
2)Construct(with help from other parents in the neighborhood) an acceptable play area nearby
3)Schedule time to take their kids to an acceptable play area(possibly taking turns with other parents)
4)Arrange an acceptable play area(as with the church or nearby homes with yards)
5)Resolve themselves to the fact that their kids won't have an acceptable play area

They get to choose which, but these parents have chosen none of these. They have instead decided to declare the parking lot an acceptable play area. That is not okay.

Good point but looking at the map that area looks like a great place to raise kids, there are near by open areas which I don't understadn why the kids aren't playing in, also the cul-de-sac driveway is a very safe place for kids to travel across when walking to the store or something.

2)That is nowhere near as easy as it sounds, it is completely possible but it is such a hard thing to do. First you need to find a local politican or government member that has sway in such decisions and getting them to listen to you. Second, comes convicing them that spending the money on such a project is a good idea for the community or beneficial to their career, because nothing modivates a person to help more than when they get something out of it(pessimistic but true). All of which takes a lot of time and effort, more then it should in too many cases, being organised. In no way am i saying the parents should do this or it be their last option but you kind of presented it as an easy fix option, also the reason know all this is because was grandad was a politician who surppoted such things and even he had trouble getting things done.
3)Agreed, especially in regaurds to parents helping other parents
4)I agree with your main point but the ways in which this is achieved aren't always easy, but that's for the parents to deal with.
5)First, kids will always try to play somewhere, acceptable or not, after all they are kids they want to have fun. Second, an acceptable play area is a term that is interpreted by a persons own view, that which was acceptable a few years ago seem to be completely unsafe today and there are both strong points for and against this change, but it seem to be increase as the years go.

If it is the parking lot above the condos I agree with you if it is the condos cul-de-sac parking lot I disagree to a point, it's not the safest place given the options but it is still safe in that is is right outside there home and it is a cul-de-sac the only people who drive in there are those that live there, no actually traffic what-so-ever so IMO it seem more like non-parents are complain that there are now kids around then the fact that they are in the way.

There's almost as many houses up there as condos affected by this rule. The kids from those houses are likely to be playing together already(and sharing lawn space); mixing in the kids from the condos won't overload the area.

True, that would in all likelihood work out, the parents would just need to workout intorductions. Again, I never saw this idea as bad it just seemed so out of the ordinary for me.

I'd just like to thank you, I have not had a civil intelligent debate in long time and I am quite enjoying it

 

[bulldogftw]

What?... Just what?!?.