I hope by "Bless" you mean give a gigantic middle finger the size of the Washington monument 'cause that's sure as hell what I would mean.
Kill 24 people, Get three months in Jail. God Bless America.
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As someone said before, they were not necessary. Japan was basically fucked at that point and new evidence has found they were actually working with Russia to surrender. Let us not forget it remains to be the single largest act of terrorism ever committed.Agayek said:
I still fail to see what wartime had to do with anything. Maybe 9/11 was the rock being thrown.
Mr.Mattress said:
And that's messed up in itself. He said he did it, and doesn't get a maximum sentence? Wow. If he'd stolen something, maybe. This is a murder case.
I'm sorry but your Avatar pic made me lawl for 2 minutes after staring at it stupid for 30 seconds... I remember that episodeGrimTuesday said:
Unfortunatly war can do horrible things to the people who figh them and the people who they are fighting. I ran into a soldier on my way to Naval recruitment center who said a little kid walked up to him asking for money. He told him to go away and the kid pulled out an uzi or something. He shot the kid and doesnt regret it. As someone whos going into Intelligence and hopefully special forces in a few years I don't doubt I'll have to be responsible for some deaths. Being in a situation of fear and stress everyday would turn anybody into a monster by our standards. It only shows why our ancestors were capable of such atrocities.
Yeah, by surrender I assume you mean fight to the last man, because even after Hiroshima, they still couldn't weren't surrendering, as 2 or 3 on their ruling council wanted to fight to the last man. Nagasaki COULD be argued as unneeded, but we told them we would do it again if they didn't surrender, so we did. In preparation for the invasion, the US ordered 1,000,000 Purple Hearts, to go along with the 15 nukes they planned on dropping. Japan knew it had lost the war, if they had accepted the terms issued before Hiroshima, they could have avoided it completely.Skin said:
OT: This disgusts me as an American. But I also know that for ever person like this, there are 10,000 others in the military who do whatever they can to avoid shooting civilians in any circumstance.
IIRC, it was "only" 500,000, though they've still not used them up in all the wars since.Sean951 said:
But yeah, Japan really did not want to surrender. Getting schoolkids to attack soldiers with pointy stick was preferable.
These weren't just americans lol, they were soldiers and were responding to an attack that killed one of them like they should. They prolly went overboard but if you're paranoid that everyone may have a bomb under his shirt and may blow up at any minute you do not risk it cause if you do and you're wrong you'll be responsible for the death of your comrades and yourself.
This was NEVER a war, the "war on terror" thing is propaganda. Wars are declared and have win-terms, this is basically nation-building and in such affairs you do indeed have innocent people killed because they're too much of a risk to let live. Geneva convention doesn't apply. Even if it did, it is their fault for fighting with such means, they can't use suicide bombers but then go and hide behind the Geneva conventions when it suits them, that's called having your cake and eating it too.
This was NEVER a war, the "war on terror" thing is propaganda. Wars are declared and have win-terms, this is basically nation-building and in such affairs you do indeed have innocent people killed because they're too much of a risk to let live. Geneva convention doesn't apply. Even if it did, it is their fault for fighting with such means, they can't use suicide bombers but then go and hide behind the Geneva conventions when it suits them, that's called having your cake and eating it too.
This is just... wrong... Seriously, the US is turning into a fascist state! Look at the evidence!
1. They want to control and censor stuff on the net (with stuff like SOPA)
2. They do that anyway
3. The military can put anyone they dislike in prison
4. It's full of narrow-minded rascists
5. Other people than their own is obviously not worth anything
Seriously, isn't anyone worried? No one is going to do anything? Fine, as long as they stay out of my backyard the US is your problem now.
1. They want to control and censor stuff on the net (with stuff like SOPA)
2. They do that anyway
3. The military can put anyone they dislike in prison
4. It's full of narrow-minded rascists
5. Other people than their own is obviously not worth anything
Seriously, isn't anyone worried? No one is going to do anything? Fine, as long as they stay out of my backyard the US is your problem now.
You are really quite knowledgeable about a stereotypical image of America, not so much about the actual country.Crazycat690 said:
1. Some poeple trying to put a crappy act through =/= America.
2. No they don't.
3. Law enforcement agencies and the military can put a broad array of people in prison, without trial, and hold them indefinitely, yes.
4. Ironic, since you seem to be operating on stereotypes.
5. Says the person sterotyping America.
British here and I agree. We're not even fighting a war anymore, we're just staying there because we don't believe it will get better if we leave. It's like pulling a gun on someone now; we think as soon as we turn our backs, the other person is going to pull out their own and shoot us. And honestly, it wouldn't be a long stretch of belief to think that could happen. We've gone in but we obviously didn't think how we'd cope with the aftermath. Instead, it's been drawn out and we don't know when armies are going to pull out.BlazeRaider said:
Be careful, there's this new law that says they can hold even citizens indefinitely without trial if they suspect you're a terrorist.TheDarkEricDraven said:
I've never experienced war, I certainly hope I never will.
I've had 1 year of military training and some of the things you get put through is pretty heavy, mentally and physically.
I understand the point that ones own life out there is the most important thing.
But killing civilians, over 20 of them, when someone in an ambush kills one of your men.
From their point of view under stress, adrenaline and everything in between I can understand primal insticts taking over but going on a rampage is not how a Marine is trained to behave.
Out there your most valuable weapons are 1) having friends who's got your back and 2) keeping your head straight.
Number 2 clearly failed, hence the chaos.
SumUp:
I don't like the way this case has been treated.
I don't like the way trained soldiers acted in a situation they've been preparing for since the day they entered service.
I can understand how the situation got out of hands, but I still don't approve of it.
I've had 1 year of military training and some of the things you get put through is pretty heavy, mentally and physically.
I understand the point that ones own life out there is the most important thing.
But killing civilians, over 20 of them, when someone in an ambush kills one of your men.
From their point of view under stress, adrenaline and everything in between I can understand primal insticts taking over but going on a rampage is not how a Marine is trained to behave.
Out there your most valuable weapons are 1) having friends who's got your back and 2) keeping your head straight.
Number 2 clearly failed, hence the chaos.
SumUp:
I don't like the way this case has been treated.
I don't like the way trained soldiers acted in a situation they've been preparing for since the day they entered service.
I can understand how the situation got out of hands, but I still don't approve of it.
More accurately, it's because they have their own rules about military conduct, which differ from those of the conventions in several areas. The US has signed the Geneva convention, but the government has not ratified portions of it.ChanTheNoob said: