Kill or be killed....

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Manji187

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I've just recently (like a week ago) discovered adventure games like The Longest Journey and Syberia. All I can say is...I missed out big time...and I'm glad I get a chance to catch up.

Right now I'm totally hooked on The Longest Journey... Oh man, the story, the characters, the dialogues (humor!), the puzzles...the list goes on and on. Anyway, it got me thinking about game design...or to be more specific: gameplay mechanics.

Take a random contemporary "triple A" game and you'll most likely be playing a game (unless it's racing or sports of course) where progression is measured in body count....you need to kill your opponents in order to progress. There can be an element of stealth involved...but usually the opponents "smell" you and come rushing to their death (usually effected by flying lead).

Sometimes the objective is just to get to some point on the map...but your opponents just so happen to have entrenched themselves/ put up a road block...whatever. In most games (certainly on the higher difficulty setting) this means you are forced to kill them...hey it's them or you, right?

I haven't encountered many games that have a fullfilling alternative to this gameplay mechanic.

Sure...there are games like Metal Gear Solid where you don't need to lay a finger on most patrolling henchmen...but when it comes to the boss battles...well, that's a different story. In the end, MGS is still about "kill or be killed" though.

IMHO it's kinda sad that in contemporary gaming one of the first questions that will prolly pop up in one's mind when excited by a new game: "Who or what do I get to kill?"

Aliens?
Zombies?
Mutants?
Supernaturals?
Terrorists?
Soldiers?
Thugs?

I understand that the whole "Kill or be killed" concept, combined with the "Run & Gun" gameplay mechanic is what gave us some of the greatest games ever...fun games...cool games.

But IMHO there's not much room for exploration. Allow me to elaborate:

A game can have a new enemy (like a new, weird looking species of alien)...it's still an enemy you have to kill.
A game can have new weaponry....it's still weaponry made to kill.
A game can have outlandishly designed levels...they're still just area's you have to travel through...while killing the enemy in it.

What I'm saying is: the archetype doesn't change. Forms change but the substance (functions, processes) remains the same. For instance, the difference between a game like Call of Duty MW2, Gears of War 2, Killzone 2 and, say, Resident Evil 5 is one of form. Core gameplaywise you're still playing the same game: travel through area's to the final area while killing the enemy en route.

All the exploration in terms of form (including art styles) can't hide that in substance it's all the same. The game ends when you've progressed (killing and walking on) through all the area's and killed the final enemy in the final area.

I think it's wrong to quit here...as if this gameplay mechanic is the Holy Grail, The End of History, the Summum of Creativity beyond which lies nothing. We need to move on...out of the swamp that stunts creative growth.

Or get your copy of "Evil Zone of Gears Duty 14" in a few years ;)
(credit goes to a fellow escapist from who I partly "borrowed" this one...you know who you are)

It's really time for some variety...cuz eating "chicken" every single day of your (short) life is really unhealthy. But that's what we're served by the industry nowadays. It's time to tell the "chef" he needs to learn some new "recipes" or we won't be visiting his "restaurant" any longer.

Gamers of the world unite! You've only got your "fastfood chains" to lose...
 

Tallim

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Yep Longest Journey is brilliant, as is Syberia 1 and 2. The third one is due this year too.
Still Life was one of my favourites too, though that is a bit different.

I love a good point and click adventure game, makes a nice change in pace.
 

Manji187

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Furburt said:
Yay, another Longest Journey lover!

That remains my personal favourite game ever.

I read an interesting article that said that the reason most games are based around killing is because it's the only thing that games, at this stage, have managed to perfect. Think about it, you with a gun against another guy with a gun, it's got everything, risk, reward, tension, danger. Equal parts luck and skill.

One day soon, they'll be something else figured out, that can exist alongside killing. It's not just games though. Look at almost every mainstream non-kiddy film these days and at least someone usually dies violently.

I don't mind killing people in games, and I certainly wouldn't like to see it replaced, but it'd be nice, as you say, to have some variety.

Still, point and clicks are a good thing to do if you're tired of death and want to make use of that brain thingy.

Nice thread.
Frankly, I should be thanking you...for dropping the name of the game a few times too many. I wanted to know what all the fuss was about so I decided to check it out....now I know :). Heh, it's gonna be damn hard NOT to be mentioning the game in ever gaming related thread from now on.

Well you see that's the thing...they've managed to perfect it (more or less). Time to learn a new trick I'd reckon, cuz nobody likes a one trick pony. A one trick pony ad infinitum ad nauseam...that's a damn waste of potential.

It simply doesn't have to be like this...
 

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Two questions : How much is it and what platform is it on? The way you describe it makes it sound awesome.
 

Manji187

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electronic wolf said:
Two questions : How much is it and what platform is it on? The way you describe it makes it sound awesome.
It's for PC. You can get it off Steam for around 10 bucks I think (it's 10 euros in Europe). A word of caution: if you're really into glizty graphics...you might get disappointed...but then again, the game is from the year 2000. You could check out some screens first.