Konami Employee Fights Discrimination

Pipotchi

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Rigs83 said:
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Well it just makes me mad when i hear something like this,i mean ok if you have been wronged,or discriminated,but lately any woman that gets fired/demoted even if its her own fault,claims sexual discrimination to get what she wants. I mean if she really felt discriminated she would want her old job back but she wants 350 000$ (ish) which is greedy and idiotic. What kind of a society is it where people can sue a successful company for tens of millions of dollars for something trivial or silly.
You always aim high and hope for a reasonable settlement. That's just common practice for any lawsuit and would be what a decent lawyer would do. I don't think you should be so quick to jump on someone for asking for a high sum because it is there lawyer that is doing the talking not necessarily them. What drives me nuts in the US is the insane juror awards people get, $100,000 for spilling coffee on yourself is only encouraging stupidity. That's also why warning labels are getting ridiculous, check this site:
http://www.rinkworks.com/said/warnings.shtml
As for the lady in Japan, she is facing an uphill battle and will need all he luck she can get because Japanese courts are not known for their sympathy to women' rights issues.
But nailing large companies with massive legal bills is the only way to get them to listen, if they pay this woman millions then they might think twice about doing it again. If they only awarded her $10,000 or whatever that is hardly going to encourage change is it?. Take them for all their worth I say. Obviously my opinion may change if they stop making MGSs and start making Suikodens again

Edit this is aimed at the Konami situation rather than the hot coffee stuff, those people should be burnt often and repeatedly until they learn coffee is hot
 
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MaxTheReaper said:
If they really were being altruistic (which is, you know, extremely unlikely) they'd have offered.
Such is the polite thing to do.
Exactly. Shoving something into someone's face and forcing them to accept it when there clearly are no advantages isn't what I would call altruistic.
 

Cousin_IT

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ah Japan. Technology of the far future, socio-cultural mannerisms of the distant past
 

mikecoulter

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Knight Templar said:
Seems they should have asked, but since they are so being nice can't they just give back her old job?

This is just plain odd.

mikecoulter said:
She should go up,up,down,down,left,right,left,right,B,A,start on their asses.
Wouldn't that just give her extra lives?
To help her fight against them.... Jeesh!
 

KaiusCormere

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I think she's in the right. Demotion based on her having a baby. She should get every dollar - and Konami should get it's head out it's ass.
 

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Sexual discrimination? Most likely, but for a good reason.

Her job probally needed long hours, which she couldn't give with the child. She should have known this if she was going to get pregnant.

If that isn't the case though, God knows. I'm with Konami on this one though. They're not exactly going to risk something like this just because she's got a kid. She was most likely not doing as well at her job because of it.
 

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Sexual discrimination? Most likely, but for a good reason.

Her job probally needed long hours, which she couldn't give with the child. She should have known this if she was going to get pregnant.

If that isn't the case though, God knows. I'm with Konami on this one though. They're not exactly going to risk something like this just because she's got a kid. She was most likely not doing as well at her job because of it.
They demoted her before she got back to work, so they don't know how she would have performed. Most working women with a brain in America tend to balance their jobs and children quite nicely, you know. This is just plain idiocy on Konami's part, and they can't claim that they were trying to be altruistic, or they would have offered the new job. I don't care what Japan's norm is when it comes to women's rights, as far as I see it, demoting somebody because she got pregnant is a no-no. I hope she wins and sets a legal precedent.
 

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Actually SuperMse I'd disagree about most women being able to balance their jobs and children quite nicely, especially when the children are very young. Latchkey kids and the like are absolutly massive problems, as are kids effectively being abandoned to be raised by strangers in daycare and such. Honestly it seems that a stable and happy childhood along traditional lines is becoming a thing of the past, and working women (traditionally the child rearers) are a big part of it... honestly I'm not sure if this is currently the majority to be honest, but I think it's rapidly getting that way.


It becomes a very touchy subject, very quickly.

As far as them demoting her, well I am against sexism as long as the woman can do the job without the standards being lowered. A woman raising a child has to put the kid before everything else, especially for the fist couple of years. This can mean doing things like having to leave work early, use up all your sick time to take care of the baby, and request special leaves. It happens to everyone, and your stupid not to realize it.

If her job was very involving (and if it was international, I am guessing it was) then it's pretty much a "duh" thing that she is not going to be able to perform those duties the way she was before.

Treating women who give birth like women who have given birth is not discrimination, it's common sense. A lot of women believe they should be able to get the special treatment of being a mother, while still holding onto a career the same as if they didn't have those issues. I personally happen to disagree, and for very similar reasons for why I disagree with police forces and such lowering physical standards for women, or even in general specifically so more of them can make the cut.

If a woman has the capabilities to do something, not letting her do it because she's a woman is discrimination. If she can't do the job as defined (even if it's because of lifting requirements, or needing to care for a baby) then it's not discrimination.

Women's sufferage works both ways.

I know many disagree with me, but honestly this doesn't sound like a discrimination case. Actually it sounds like the company is pretty much willing to keep her on the payroll in a decent job, while making allowances for whatever she needs to do. Yes she is making a bit less money (I have no idea how much she made a month beforehand, but I'm guessing from the way it sounds that it was a lot, and that she still probably has a great job), but in comparison for the presumed benefits that sounds fair. A lot of companies are infamous for not working with women under such circumstances.

Is it "fair" that women have to put their careers on hold for what could be considered a part of their biological/psychological condition (having children). Well to be honest I'd say "yes" to a great extent because any way you look at it men and women are differant. Trying to ignore this is foolish. I believe equality means women have the right to vote, and are allowed to do any job they qualify for and can perform irregardless of their gender, but when they lose that abillity for whatever reason they should be treated like anyone else.

I was born with my skull closing up and they had to install (and then remove) a plate from my head, which left me with a huge dent and presumable brain damage. My mental problems have varied in severity through my life (and also depending on medication). However when they got pretty bad again laws presenting discrimination against the disabled didn't exactly prevent me from being fired due to aberrant behavior and mood swings, or force people to hire me. Thus I wound up retiring on disabillity.

I don't feel I was "discriminated" against even if I'm a bit bitter about parts of it. I see women as occupying a similar position in cases like this. The employer can't ignore the baby any more than they could ignore my mood swings, talking to myself, and other issues.

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Jamash

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I suspect there's more to this story than simple discrimination, seeing as Konami have given her a completely different job.

Before her maternity leave her job was to travel around the world to negotiate licenses with foreign football teams and foreign footballers, for the Pro Evolution Soccer games.

Seeing as the Pro Evo games have rather notoriously featured made up names for a lot of the teams and players they'd been unable to get the licenses for and in quite a few cases they'd had to omit entire teams and leagues, maybe she just wasn't very good at her job.

Konami may have just used the maternity and baby reason as a face saving excuse to change her position and give her old job to someone who'd be more successful at negotiating the licenses.

Rather than fire her for being crap, they may have thought it was better to give her a less important, domestic job in Japan, seeing as she's just had a baby and the Japanese government is encouraging working women to have babies to help with their population crisis.

I get the impression that 'face' and appearance is quite important in Japanese business, and it wouldn't be good form for Konami to fire a woman who's just had a baby, even if they had found someone who was better at her job, so instead they changed her job.

Also, when it was her job negotiate with international football teams, which are usually controlled by middle age, 'old fashioned' businessmen, maybe Konami felt that a new mother wouldn't be their best representative, and someone who wasn't a new mother would have a better bargaining position.

Well that's my theory, you don't have to like it or agree with it, but I do believe that the fact she was responsible for negotiating licenses with international football teams had more to do with her 'demotion' than is being reported.

Like it or not, lots of these businesses are still 'old boys' clubs.
 

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Maybe I'm having a thick day and don't see it, but I'm not exactly sure how this is sexism exactly. They didn't really demote her because she's a women, I mean, guys can take paternity leave, so me thinks if anything, its probably more a lifestyle discrimination thing. You know. The lifestyle of giving birth and such. In which case she may have less-of-a chance at getting any compensation
Or maybe I shouldn't be reading and analysing news at 3 in the morning.
Eh
 

kawligia

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It's not necessarily about discrimination just because she is a woman.

The problem is that they have to hire somebody to do her job while she is gone. That person doesn't want to lose HIS job either. And it's hard to find someone who wants to take a career type job just as a temp.

Don't hold me to this, but IIRC, they have to give her A job when she comes back, but I don't think it has to be the SAME job she had before.
 

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squid5580 said:
Who are we Westerners to try and impose our beliefs onto thier culture or laws?
It may not be our culture, but SHE IS Japanese. SHE IS fighting to change her culture. And we can understand and sympathize with her since our country faced this not that long ago and continues to have fall-out.

http://www.losangelesemploymentlawyerblog.com/2009/02/former_walmart_pharmacist_sues.html
 

Artemis1123

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Who says that the wife would've had to quit her job (besides Japan)? There are stay at home dads who quit their jobs because their wife is the real money maker.
 

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Malicious said:
Well it just makes me mad when i hear something like this,i mean ok if you have been wronged,or discriminated,but lately any woman that gets fired/demoted even if its her own fault,claims sexual discrimination to get what she wants. I mean if she really felt discriminated she would want her old job back but she wants 350 000$ (ish) which is greedy and idiotic. What kind of a society is it where people can sue a successful company for tens of millions of dollars for something trivial or silly.
2000 dollars a month is not trivial or silly, and this isn't either. There is no rational reason for her demotion, and it IS discrimination.
 

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mikecoulter said:
She should go up,up,down,down,left,right,left,right,B,A,start on their asses.
This post wins an internet.

But yeah. I don't know what to say about the lady or whether she's in the right or not.