Lady Gaga

[Macgyvercas]

1) She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to
2) Yes she dresses outrageously but in pop music who doesn't - the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense
3) She is a noted philanthropist and lives a generally healthy lifestyle, unlike a lot of other artists in her field

1) But can you objectively prove that? Seems to me that singing voices are percieved on a subjective basis.

2) I never really got the trend to dress crazily in pop music. Why can't we have more people dressed like the Beatles in the early 60's?

3) Uhhh...Hold on. *looks stuff up* *looks stuff up some more* Yeah, no argument from me on that one.

 

[Nazulu]

Her music is just like all the other pop/rap stars music at the moment, weak and lame, nothing special, nothing new.

They keep calling her really talented as well, and I guess she is compared to all the other pop/rap stars of today, but compared to the great musicians who started it all and wrote memorable songs, she really is nothing.

I don't hate her or her music (unless I'm forced to listen to it) but she is just another over-hyped singer.

 

[BonsaiK]

1) She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to
2) Yes she dresses outrageously but in pop music who doesn't - the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense
3) She is a noted philanthropist and lives a generally healthy lifestyle, unlike a lot of other artists in her field

1) But can you objectively prove that? Seems to me that singing voices are percieved on a subjective basis.

2) I never really got the trend to dress crazily in pop music. Why can't we have more people dressed like the Beatles in the early 60's?

3) Uhhh...Hold on. *looks stuff up* *looks stuff up some more* Yeah, no argument from me on that one.

There are objective standards for vocal performance. Yes, there is definitely subjectivity when it comes to whether you like the result (personally I don't tend to enjoy listening to very technical singers myself) but in terms of accurate pitching, lung power/sustain, vocal dexterity and so forth, it's not significantly different to playing a wind instrument (which is essentially what a vocalist is doing anyway) and can be measured using similar objective standards. Can I personally prove it? Not without meeting her and running her through some standard vocal tests and exercises while I film it. She'll probably prove it herself without my help though, eventually.

Keep in mind that even in their supposed 'clean cut' early 60s era, The Beatles' image was considered very wild for the time. The controversy and conservative furore over their "mop tops" even in the very early days was legendary and far, far outstripped any of the current whining about Lady Gaga's image.

 

[Marter]

She said herself that she is famous because "Nobody sang about sex before". Now, we know that isn't true, but in most industries, sex sells. She's figured that out.

 

[rex922]

she might be able to sing
but that dess sense is retarded
also her songs are horrible

if you can sing but cannot even write a decent song, you are still a bad artist

 

[Snarky Username]

Bad influence? Nonsense!

Spoiler: Possibly NSFW

 

[The Warden]

More like Manly Gaga, amirite?

 

[James Cassidy]

1. You can't just say that I am without a doubt wrong without proof in the matter. I have heard her sing acoustically, and as an opera lover she is not up to snuff. But seeing as there is no proof yet, I said unlikely. I did not state it as a complete fact. And thus when you decided to say I was wrong, you lost. GG. Good thing you didn't go into an industry requiring intelligence and the ability to debate your points.

2. As someone with a brain, I can tell you that relying on a gimmick instead of your own musical talent is utter bullshit, and that your silly industry needs to stop rewarding the idiots. If you're better than the rest, you're going to be noticed. Simple.

3. Let's see. She dresses like a psychopath, for one. Not just weird. Psychopath. Her songs also reflect this sentiment. My cousin is working on his psych major, and for one of his papers he did an in depth analysis of her songs, persona, etc. I'm going to ask him for a copy.

1. I am just going to quote Pretty Women
"People's reactions to opera the first time they see it is very dramatic; they either love it or they hate it. If they love it, they will always love it. If they don't, they may learn to appreciate it, but it will never become part of their soul. "

2. You a lot of people say this from artist in many fields. They probably said this to Michelangelo, they probably said this Picasso, they probably said this to Dali. Gaga is an artist and she expresses her self by the way she wants to. She is an artist and uses her own experiences to view the world in song and fashion. Many might say she is not an artist but rather a psychopath, but they probably say this to all artist.

There is a fine line between genius and insanity. Funny how these two coincide.

3. I hate people who say "well I study this in college and I can say I know everything about the human mind." In truth, we cannot possibly understand the human mind. We can have a good idea, but anybody can become anything. The human mind is not some box with keyholes, it is a maze full of doors that all lead to either nothing or something.

I don't care how much someone studies or what major they have. To truly understand something you need to have experience.

Lady Gaga is a genius, she is not a psychopath. She sees the world in a much different light than the rest of us and as an artist I know the exact messages she can see.

Your cousin can read every book on psychology and he will never understand the heart of an artist because he only sees things in one dimension based what societies calls "normal."

 

[dex-dex]

as much as people slam on her i think she is not bad
i mean i am much more into the alternative rock and electronica but she can do something many pop singers do
sing

 

[AstylahAthrys]

I actually kind of like Lady Gaga. I don't listen to any other pop artists (I prefer hard rock and metal) but I do find Lady Gaga pretty decent. She's a lot better than anyone else on the top 40 radio stations.

 

[Nadlice]

Yay music industry guy in a Lady Gaga thread!

Anyone who complains about Lady Gaga lacking talent, being a bad influence or otherwise being anything less than a completely fine and worthy pop singer is demonstratably wrong.

* She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to
* Yes she dresses outrageously but in pop music who doesn't - the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense
* She is a noted philanthropist and lives a generally healthy lifestyle, unlike a lot of other artists in her field

1. "could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to"

Unlikely, sir.

2. "the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense"

Not to her idiotic extreme.

3. "lives a generally healthy lifestyle"

I rather doubt her mental health is very good.

1. You are wrong. She'll probably prove it one day by doing a duet with an opera singer, as Freddy Mercury did. Until then go and look at some Youtubes where she performs acoustically.

2. As someone in the industry, I can assure you that as long as you are getting noticed, there's no such thing as dressing "idiotically" in pop music. Period. The more outlandish and crazy, the better.

3. What are you basing that on? Probably nothing except that she wears weird clothes and sings music you don't happen to like.

1. You can't just say that I am without a doubt wrong without proof in the matter. I have heard her sing acoustically, and as an opera lover she is not up to snuff. But seeing as there is no proof yet, I said unlikely. I did not state it as a complete fact. And thus when you decided to say I was wrong, you lost. GG. Good thing you didn't go into an industry requiring intelligence and the ability to debate your points.

2. As someone with a brain, I can tell you that relying on a gimmick instead of your own musical talent is utter bullshit, and that your silly industry needs to stop rewarding the idiots. If you're better than the rest, you're going to be noticed. Simple.

3. Let's see. She dresses like a psychopath, for one. Not just weird. Psychopath. Her songs also reflect this sentiment. My cousin is working on his psych major, and for one of his papers he did an in depth analysis of her songs, persona, etc. I'm going to ask him for a copy.

You know what I hate? When I'm reading a nice civil discussion between two people, and then one of them feels a need to insult the other.

Being a ass won't make you right, and your post had decent merit outside of speculating on his intelligence.

Slightly more on topic, being good won't get you noticed. Luck, and being marketable will get you noticed. Talent plays a role, but being amazing at something doesn't mean there is any demand for an artist fitting your description.

Actually on topic, Gaga is my favorite recent pop... anything. She seems genuinely different, can actually sing, and apparently is a philanthropist. I'm probably not going to start listening to her music, I'd rather stick with Regina Spektor, but I can still see how others would find her appealing.

Metal is the only true music, everything else is just specs of dust on the the wind. /m/

Are you joking, or actually being an asshole?

 

[Loop Stricken]

I think that she cannot sing. Not in these low spaces. Her musics are....colourless.

Well, you've won my admiration for the day. Kudos.
And I agree entirely.

 

[Audioave10]

Meh...I don't seem to see anything amazing here. (back to listening to Alice in Chains)

 

[Monstrion]

* She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to

Can you provide any kind of proof? Linking youtube videos here is very easy and I would really like to see(hear) her actually sing.

Other than that, for me she is just another pop singer.

 

[Kwaren]

I think this sums up my feelings on this subject.

Spoiler

 

[Soxafloppin]

This is probably what there reffering to.

 

[Oldmanwillow]

Yay music industry guy in a Lady Gaga thread!

Anyone who complains about Lady Gaga lacking talent, being a bad influence or otherwise being anything less than a completely fine and worthy pop singer is demonstratably wrong.

* She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to
* Yes she dresses outrageously but in pop music who doesn't - the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense
* She is a noted philanthropist and lives a generally healthy lifestyle, unlike a lot of other artists in her field

As a classical music performance guy i think he is terrible. If you have the talent to by an opera singer, (which she doesnt by the way) and you sold out to pop you have wasted your talent. Honestly her song require no skill to sing and its just more of the same boring pop music. Music should be able to amazed by the skill involved in performing music not just for drunken dancing.

If might be the most talented pop singer but that is still shit in the classical world.

 

[Doug]

Have you seen any pictures of her, or even her album art?

Oh noes, she doesn't comfort to social norms of appearance! SHE MUST BE BURNED!

But seriously, I don't see why she's a 'bad influence' on the young - ok, she looks as odd as hell when she dresses up, but she's hardly the first singer to dress in a fucked up fashion.

 

[BonsaiK]

* She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to

Can you provide any kind of proof? Linking youtube videos here is very easy and I would really like to see(hear) her actually sing.

She can actually sing. And play piano at the same time, even. She has talent. Case closed.

As a classical music performance guy i think he is terrible. If you have the talent to by an opera singer, (which she doesnt by the way) and you sold out to pop you have wasted your talent. Honestly her song require no skill to sing and its just more of the same boring pop music. Music should be able to amazed by the skill involved in performing music not just for drunken dancing.

If might be the most talented pop singer but that is still shit in the classical world.

I find classical music dull, because the forms and regulations governing such music were so incredibly strict back in the day, such as the adherence to ii-V-I, arrangement conventions (exposition-development-recapitulation) etc, it's very predictable, far more so than pop music which at least has far more relative freedom with texture rules and a less stringent harmonic rulebook. Classical music is the epitome of "painting by numbers" and anyone who thinks that musical of the Classical period is somehow more "elevated" than popular music should have a look at some of the musical forms involved, as well as the societal forces of the time that caused the music to sound the way it did.

Artists who were writing pieces in the Classical period got a whole lot less creative freedom than what pop artists do today, because a piece wasn't just written, it was usually commissioned, and the person commissioning it, such as a king or figure of nobility, was typically after a certain type of thing, in a certain style, and if you were a composer being paid a lot of money, you'd better deliver exactly what they want and not step outside the boundaries or it could be gallows time for you. This is why the harmonic rules took such a long time to evolve. In effect this is no different to a radio station wanting a pop hit to conform to certain rules that make it radio-friendly, except that no-one is going to chop off your head if you song gets rejected from the radio, therefore the pop music field these days, even with its stringent radio formats, still encourages greater experimentation than what was the norm hundreds of years ago. So in other words, if you want to hear the epitome of people "selling out", look to classical music.

As for Lady Gaga's songs requiring no skill to sing... er, actually, they do. I work with vocal teachers every day and I've seen enough people try to sing Lady Gaga songs and fail miserably. sure, they think it's easy... until you hand them a microphone and a backing track and say "okay - go." - then suddenly it's not as easy as they thought! Mind you, I don't think skill is the sole arbiter of the worth of a musical statement anyway... or even the most important factor...

 

[Monstrion]

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You said she can go toe to toe with opera singers. You either have no clue what opera singing means or you have serious problems with your hearing.
Look it up on YT, opera is several leagues above her.

But still, she can play an instrument and sing without studio worth milions backing up her voice, I can respect that. She should seriously work on her lyrics though.