Lady Gaga

[Aerodynamic]

She is just another pop princess to me, I honestly don't give a shit about her.

 

[Oldmanwillow]

* She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to

Can you provide any kind of proof? Linking youtube videos here is very easy and I would really like to see(hear) her actually sing.

She can actually sing. And play piano at the same time, even. She has talent. Case closed.

As a classical music performance guy i think he is terrible. If you have the talent to by an opera singer, (which she doesnt by the way) and you sold out to pop you have wasted your talent. Honestly her song require no skill to sing and its just more of the same boring pop music. Music should be able to amazed by the skill involved in performing music not just for drunken dancing.

If might be the most talented pop singer but that is still shit in the classical world.

I find classical music dull, because the forms and regulations governing such music were so incredibly strict back in the day, such as the adherence to ii-V-I, arrangement conventions (exposition-development-recapitulation) etc, it's very predictable, far more so than pop music which at least has far more relative freedom with texture rules and a less stringent harmonic rulebook. Classical music is the epitome of "painting by numbers" and anyone who thinks that musical of the Classical period is somehow more "elevated" than popular music should have a look at some of the musical forms involved, as well as the societal forces of the time that caused the music to sound the way it did.

Artists who were writing pieces in the Classical period got a whole lot less creative freedom than what pop artists do today, because a piece wasn't just written, it was usually commissioned, and the person commissioning it, such as a king or figure of nobility, was typically after a certain type of thing, in a certain style, and if you were a composer being paid a lot of money, you'd better deliver exactly what they want and not step outside the boundaries or it could be gallows time for you. This is why the harmonic rules took such a long time to evolve. In effect this is no different to a radio station wanting a pop hit to conform to certain rules that make it radio-friendly, except that no-one is going to chop off your head if you song gets rejected from the radio, therefore the pop music field these days, even with its stringent radio formats, still encourages greater experimentation than what was the norm hundreds of years ago. So in other words, if you want to hear the epitome of people "selling out", look to classical music.

As for Lady Gaga's songs requiring no skill to sing... er, actually, they do. I work with vocal teachers every day and I've seen enough people try to sing Lady Gaga songs and fail miserably. sure, they think it's easy... until you hand them a microphone and a backing track and say "okay - go." - then suddenly it's not as easy as they thought! Mind you, I don't think skill is the sole arbiter of the worth of a musical statement anyway... or even the most important factor...

For a music industry major you sure dont know anything about music theory, the ii V I chord progress was only really used for cadences, if you take a look at lets say Haydn's oxfords symphony it uses chord progress that would absolutely shock you in the development section, (major minor chords and a tone of augmented6th chords, while change keys every 15 measures). let me see does pop music do that? no.

Again if you look at works that were commissioned back in the 18 century all that was commissioned was a piece for an event. If it was an opera they wrote an opera if it was a ballet a ballet was written. but guess what the composers had complete control over the type over the themes and the structure of the specifics pieces. You want to know why Nobels wanted the best composers working for them, it was a status symbol and they were not going to restrict a skill composer because they wanted to show all the specific talents that the composer had for bragging rights. Pop being unpredictable. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thank you that was the best laugh i had in a while, you are lucky to get 5 different chords out of a pop song. LUCKY.

I am not even going to go into the romantic era of music because i dont even fully understand the chord progressions of List and Wanger, I have to struggle with the Chord progress of Beethoven.

Pay attention in your music theory class or maybe your form and analysis and you would say such stupid things.

 

[Sacman]

the only Lady Gaga I like is mixed with a little... Polka?

 

[BonsaiK]

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You said she can go toe to toe with opera singers. You either have no clue what opera singing means or you have serious problems with your hearing.
Look it up on YT, opera is several leagues above her.

Well I can't find her singing opera, but it doesn't really matter. The fundamental techniques of singing in terms of muscle movement and development etc are the same in any singing style, the fact that opera has different rules in terms of timbre isn't really that relevant. At the end of the day you're either singing with correct techniques and pitching or you're not - and Lady Gaga is, that's obvious. Besides, if she busted out big operatic style vocals in that song it would sound stupid and over the top, she's singing in a style appropriate for the type of song that she's doing, because when you're a professional and you're delivering a song, that's what you do.

stuff and things

[a discussion about how Haydn's modulation in the Oxford Symphony isn't really that special compared to Taylor Swift's key change at the end of "Love Story" was going to go here but I removed it because I doubt anyone actually cares besides me, and the following paragraph makes it all redundant anyway]

Just because something has got a ton of chords in it, or requires great technical skill, doesn't automatically make it better or more worthwhile than something that doesn't have these things. Sometimes simple things actually are more effective because sometimes getting straight to the point is preferable to beating around the bush. Who would've thought?

 

[PurpleSky]

Have you seen any pictures of her, or even her album art?

She looks hot.............why are you looking at me like that?

god damnit it's so hard to find a picture that isn't photoshoped to make her look insane lol...wait a second....that's not photoshop!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

She either wears pants or a shirt, never both at once lol. Other than that, the only song I like is Love Game, and for some reason I like it ALOT. Oh, and Cartman's version of pokerface.

 

[Shoqiyqa]

I don't hate her.

I just can't stand that goddamned awful racket she creates.

Opera? Once upon a time people had to be able to learn the whole song, words, pitches, note times and lengths and everything and sing it all properly live in front of an audience and be heard all the way to the back of the hall without a microphone, and there were a lot more than eight words in the songs back then too.

Your beloved Lady Gaga does not, by such old-fashioned standards, sing at all. She shouts. She talks. That is all.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Just because something has got a ton of chords in it, or requires great technical skill, doesn't automatically make it better or more worthwhile than something that doesn't have these things. Sometimes simple things actually are more effective because sometimes getting straight to the point is preferable to beating around the bush. Who would've thought?

I readily concur. The best music is simple. The Beatles, for example, thought by many to be the best pop/rock group of all time, and their music is astoundingly simple. Simple chords, simple progressions, simple lyrics. That's what makes them so great.

One of my favourite albums of all time, Streetcleaner by Godflesh, consists almost entirely of really basic songs, but played with feeling. With Lady GaGa, sure, her stuff might not be original, and I don't particularly like it, but you can certainly tell that she means it.

Although I am the Walrus had 16 chords.

So... Not the simplest of songs.

I say the Beatles are the best because they were so experimental!

Like for example "I'm only sleeping", in which they play the guitar backwards. Amazingly weird. And Awesome.

 

[AmayaOnnaOtaku]

her vocal range is ok at best D3-B5. There are alot more artists with better ranges and better belters.

Ann Wilson
Christina Aguleria
Amy Lee
Kelly Clarkson

 

[ohellynot]

She doesn't wear pants, her entire life is an attempt to be the opposite of what we think she should be in order to fit in. Don't confuse this with a real life philosophy; she's just a dumbass who wants the camera on her at all times.

then how come i've neber seen her in any glossy mags?

glossy mags are there to make women feel bad about themselves, any woman who feels bad about not being lady gaga is a strange one indeed. Besides, when she was first trendy did you see how often she got on TV because of her stupidity? News and Tabloids running stories about her rise to pant-less fame left right and centre.

Actually the only time i've seen her on tv was at some music award where she won something, played a song and every one loved her.

 

[squidbuddy99]

Her music is ok. Im more concerned with her appearance. She's the Harley Quinn of the music industry: kinda hot, but creepy as all hell.

 

[Resurrectionist]

...parents complain about her being a bad influnce...

And thus, (once again) controversy propels the publicity that increases popularity.

A formula as old as Show Business itself.

 

[ohellynot]

She doesn't wear pants, her entire life is an attempt to be the opposite of what we think she should be in order to fit in. Don't confuse this with a real life philosophy; she's just a dumbass who wants the camera on her at all times.

then how come i've neber seen her in any glossy mags?

glossy mags are there to make women feel bad about themselves, any woman who feels bad about not being lady gaga is a strange one indeed. Besides, when she was first trendy did you see how often she got on TV because of her stupidity? News and Tabloids running stories about her rise to pant-less fame left right and centre.

Actually the only time i've seen her on tv was at some music award where she won something, played a song and every one loved her.

Then you're smart enough not to watch tabloid journalism?

God help me if i'm not.

 

[Queen Michael]

* She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to

Since opera singing is quite different from pop singing, you can't actually know that unless you've heard her sing some kind of opera.

 

[soilent]

its all copy/paste, completely uninteresting music and the woman is obviously a whore for attention, no self respecting person dresses in such a way.

 

[Malyc]

I find nothing wrong with her music (no wonder why my older sister loves Lady gaga!) but my parents complain about her being a bad influnce on us and i cant see why she such a good singer!

LIES!!! She's actually Marilyn Manson in disguise.

 

[Drakmeire]

I just think it's awful music,
such genius lyrics "LA LA OH LA LA-A OH LA LA LA LA-A"~ bad romance (pretty much the whole song)wow that took alot of effort to write. it's kinda catchy but gets annoying after the fouth time hearing it, but I do like the "telephone" video just because the P*ssy wagon from KILL BILL is in it.

 

[BonsaiK]

This thread makes me sad. To me this thread shows incredible sexism, because when guys dress up ostentatiously as many male performers have done for decades as part of show business, nobody complains. But just because a woman is dressing up in a way which is outlandish suddenly in the eyes of so many people she's all sorts of bad things. I'd like to think that my fellow Escapists are not so superficial that they would be prejudiced against a performer purely for their dress sense. The fact that this point keeps coming up from people who should know better is something that I find very disturbing, far more disturbing than some crazy outfit someone chooses to wear.

If you don't like the music, fine. If you don't like what she says, fine. However saying that someone is a bad person because of the way they dress is in the same ballpark as saying that someone is a bad person because of what religion they choose to believe.

 

[Delock]

its all copy/paste, completely uninteresting music and the woman is obviously a whore for attention, no self respecting person dresses in such a way.

I'd disagree with you that no one self respecting dresses like that on the point that the only reason people dress "normally" is because society tells what is normal, and we obey out of fear of being alone. So we trade individuality and the style/comfort we like the most for being included and feeling uncomfortable. Plenty of people wear the style they like when it is allow, such as some of the people at conventions or just being at home and changing into a t-shirt that is so worn you would never take it out of the house. Hell, I like wearing a bathrobe just because it's soft, but I don't run around outside in it. And you can wear strange things just because you like to wear them, such as me and my fedora (which is constantly questioned despite not being THAT odd) or a class ring.

That being said, she's doing her thing for attention given that one of those outfits caused her to pass out.


OP: I really don't mind her music that much on principle. People have different tastes, and I don't have to listen to it if I don't want to. However, I have a roommate who plays it late at night and it was part of the reason I developed insomnia, so I can't say I enjoy it anymore (still like it better than country, which I had to listen to on 4 hour family car trips, mentally scaring me, given that it was before I experienced other genres and I hated it to the point that I thought I hated all music).

 

[soilent]

its all copy/paste, completely uninteresting music and the woman is obviously a whore for attention, no self respecting person dresses in such a way.

I'd disagree with you that no one self respecting dresses like that on the point that the only reason people dress "normally" is because society tells what is normal, and we obey out of fear of being alone. So we trade individuality and the style/comfort we like the most for being included and feeling uncomfortable. Plenty of people wear the style they like when it is allow, such as some of the people at conventions or just being at home and changing into a t-shirt that is so worn you would never take it out of the house. Hell, I like wearing a bathrobe just because it's soft, but I don't run around outside in it. And you can wear strange things just because you like to wear them, such as me and my fedora (which is constantly questioned despite not being THAT odd) or a class ring.

That being said, she's doing her thing for attention given that one of those outfits caused her to pass out.


OP: I really don't mind her music that much on principle. People have different tastes, and I don't have to listen to it if I don't want to. However, I have a roommate who plays it late at night and it was part of the reason I developed insomnia, so I can't say I enjoy it anymore (still like it better than country, which I had to listen to on 4 hour family car trips, mentally scaring me, given that it was before I experienced other genres and I hated it to the point that I thought I hated all music).

I am all for people dressing the way they want, I dont judge, but theres a point where it just goes nuckin futs.