Lame Game

[Insanum]

Spoiler: snip

But as I said if you dislike Halo's story just because Sci Fi action isn't your thing then I can respect that. But not so much just labelling it 'crap' and moving on.

I love Sci Fi and i actually loved Halo 1 at the time (Halo 2 and 3 are just run of the mill i think).

But the story in Halo 2 and 3 still felt shallow and confusing. I have played Halo 1, 2 and 3 from start to finish and i have even played Halo 1 like 2 or 3 times. But i STILL don't get it what happened at the end of Halo 3.


So i killed that giant tentacle monster thing, but how does that explain why the rings were there? Why did the war end just because i killed the monster? What happened to the covenent? Why does Cortana keeð sending me these visions? How did the covenent find earth in Halo 2?

The story has so many plot holes that the story only feels like a setting/a place where the story takes place rather then a actual storyline that progresses in a interesting way.

If you are interested by the story then i suggest you pick up the halo books, they fill in some plot holes, like how they found earth and such as well as adding more depth to the universe. Pretty decent reads if your into that sort of thing.

You shouldn't be forced to buy books or movies to get the whole story from a game. It doesn't make the plot of the game any better.

I hate that argument, You're not being "forced" to buy anything, But if you want all the information to make an educated standpoint then you may have to buy/borrow the books, or at the bare minimum Wiki it.

Why would you hate that arguement? Would you like it better if one said that it is a rip off since they obviously slacked on the game to be able to sell you this crap later on? Or is it you can't say the game's story is good because you need all the other mediums to make the story good that you hate?

But the business models & plans have nothing to do with the story. You cant watch one star wars film then right the whole thing off as crap because your not willing to watch the rest.

Sure I can. If the first one doesn't entertain me then why would I risk my money on the sequels? Although I fail to see what that has to do with the price of tomatoes. At least with the Star Wars trilogy it remained in one medium. If I wanted to know more of the universe there are other mediums out there that I could enjoy. The difference is I don't need to research the plot of Star Wars through books, wiki pages and whatever else. I can sit down watch an entire story which may or may not end with a cliffhanger and if I want to know what happens next I can watch the sequel. I find it absolutely ridiculous you are defending this. No other medium gets a free pass. Oh yeah if you want to know about all the plotholes in the movie buy the book. And you aren't going to be at the ticket stand demanding your money back? Let switch this up buy a half finished novel then go see the movie to fill in the blanks. We want vidoe games to be held to the same standards as movies or TV then we should hold video games to the same standards as movies or TV. None of this "well it is ok because it is a game" excuses.

So basically what your saying is "ignorance is bliss"?

 

[squid5580]

Spoiler: snip

But as I said if you dislike Halo's story just because Sci Fi action isn't your thing then I can respect that. But not so much just labelling it 'crap' and moving on.

I love Sci Fi and i actually loved Halo 1 at the time (Halo 2 and 3 are just run of the mill i think).

But the story in Halo 2 and 3 still felt shallow and confusing. I have played Halo 1, 2 and 3 from start to finish and i have even played Halo 1 like 2 or 3 times. But i STILL don't get it what happened at the end of Halo 3.


So i killed that giant tentacle monster thing, but how does that explain why the rings were there? Why did the war end just because i killed the monster? What happened to the covenent? Why does Cortana keeð sending me these visions? How did the covenent find earth in Halo 2?

The story has so many plot holes that the story only feels like a setting/a place where the story takes place rather then a actual storyline that progresses in a interesting way.

If you are interested by the story then i suggest you pick up the halo books, they fill in some plot holes, like how they found earth and such as well as adding more depth to the universe. Pretty decent reads if your into that sort of thing.

You shouldn't be forced to buy books or movies to get the whole story from a game. It doesn't make the plot of the game any better.

I hate that argument, You're not being "forced" to buy anything, But if you want all the information to make an educated standpoint then you may have to buy/borrow the books, or at the bare minimum Wiki it.

Why would you hate that arguement? Would you like it better if one said that it is a rip off since they obviously slacked on the game to be able to sell you this crap later on? Or is it you can't say the game's story is good because you need all the other mediums to make the story good that you hate?

But the business models & plans have nothing to do with the story. You cant watch one star wars film then right the whole thing off as crap because your not willing to watch the rest.

Sure I can. If the first one doesn't entertain me then why would I risk my money on the sequels? Although I fail to see what that has to do with the price of tomatoes. At least with the Star Wars trilogy it remained in one medium. If I wanted to know more of the universe there are other mediums out there that I could enjoy. The difference is I don't need to research the plot of Star Wars through books, wiki pages and whatever else. I can sit down watch an entire story which may or may not end with a cliffhanger and if I want to know what happens next I can watch the sequel. I find it absolutely ridiculous you are defending this. No other medium gets a free pass. Oh yeah if you want to know about all the plotholes in the movie buy the book. And you aren't going to be at the ticket stand demanding your money back? Let switch this up buy a half finished novel then go see the movie to fill in the blanks. We want vidoe games to be held to the same standards as movies or TV then we should hold video games to the same standards as movies or TV. None of this "well it is ok because it is a game" excuses.

So basically what your saying is "ignorance is bliss"?

No what I am saying is if you want to claim that a story in a game is good then be sure that it is the game's story you are talking about. What I am saying is when I read a book or see a movie I excpect to see the beginning, middle and end of said story. So why should I expect any less from a game? If a movie has a bunch of nonsensical plotholes it is considered bad. Even if some random person makes up some fan fiction that fills in said holes THE MOVIE IS STILL BAD. No matter how many supplements you add to try and improve it it doesn't matter since it is not going into the movie and changing a thing. Which is where the supplement should have been in the first place.

So basically what I am saying is a bad story in a game is a bad story no matter how many wiki pages and novels and movies that attempt to supplement it.

 

[TunaKing]

Obviously the creators thought that adding in this information would decrease from the gameplay(remember its a game) too much dialogue and cinematics at the start of games pissess me off something awful, i want to sit down and play. But for poeple who want to know the story the produce other mediums for them to enjoy.

 

[Insanum]

Spoiler: snip

But as I said if you dislike Halo's story just because Sci Fi action isn't your thing then I can respect that. But not so much just labelling it 'crap' and moving on.

I love Sci Fi and i actually loved Halo 1 at the time (Halo 2 and 3 are just run of the mill i think).

But the story in Halo 2 and 3 still felt shallow and confusing. I have played Halo 1, 2 and 3 from start to finish and i have even played Halo 1 like 2 or 3 times. But i STILL don't get it what happened at the end of Halo 3.


So i killed that giant tentacle monster thing, but how does that explain why the rings were there? Why did the war end just because i killed the monster? What happened to the covenent? Why does Cortana keeð sending me these visions? How did the covenent find earth in Halo 2?

The story has so many plot holes that the story only feels like a setting/a place where the story takes place rather then a actual storyline that progresses in a interesting way.

If you are interested by the story then i suggest you pick up the halo books, they fill in some plot holes, like how they found earth and such as well as adding more depth to the universe. Pretty decent reads if your into that sort of thing.

You shouldn't be forced to buy books or movies to get the whole story from a game. It doesn't make the plot of the game any better.

I hate that argument, You're not being "forced" to buy anything, But if you want all the information to make an educated standpoint then you may have to buy/borrow the books, or at the bare minimum Wiki it.

Why would you hate that arguement? Would you like it better if one said that it is a rip off since they obviously slacked on the game to be able to sell you this crap later on? Or is it you can't say the game's story is good because you need all the other mediums to make the story good that you hate?

But the business models & plans have nothing to do with the story. You cant watch one star wars film then right the whole thing off as crap because your not willing to watch the rest.

Sure I can. If the first one doesn't entertain me then why would I risk my money on the sequels? Although I fail to see what that has to do with the price of tomatoes. At least with the Star Wars trilogy it remained in one medium. If I wanted to know more of the universe there are other mediums out there that I could enjoy. The difference is I don't need to research the plot of Star Wars through books, wiki pages and whatever else. I can sit down watch an entire story which may or may not end with a cliffhanger and if I want to know what happens next I can watch the sequel. I find it absolutely ridiculous you are defending this. No other medium gets a free pass. Oh yeah if you want to know about all the plotholes in the movie buy the book. And you aren't going to be at the ticket stand demanding your money back? Let switch this up buy a half finished novel then go see the movie to fill in the blanks. We want vidoe games to be held to the same standards as movies or TV then we should hold video games to the same standards as movies or TV. None of this "well it is ok because it is a game" excuses.

So basically what your saying is "ignorance is bliss"?

No what I am saying is if you want to claim that a story in a game is good then be sure that it is the game's story you are talking about. What I am saying is when I read a book or see a movie I excpect to see the beginning, middle and end of said story. So why should I expect any less from a game? If a movie has a bunch of nonsensical plotholes it is considered bad. Even if some random person makes up some fan fiction that fills in said holes THE MOVIE IS STILL BAD. No matter how many supplements you add to try and improve it it doesn't matter since it is not going into the movie and changing a thing. Which is where the supplement should have been in the first place.

So basically what I am saying is a bad story in a game is a bad story no matter how many wiki pages and novels and movies that attempt to supplement it.

It all depends on what you class as the story. If you're tarring all three main Halo Games together then you're drawing close to calling the whole Halo Universe, Incorperating the books.

I see the sentiment, and too a point i agree - Example (in films again) I hated Spiderman 3, But only that film, I do like the rest of the "universe". If you hated the comics & said so, then you would assume you hate the whole universe, Including the films & games alike.

 

[CmdrGoob]

Games don't need to have a great story to be great - if the game is all about the gameplay then it's absolutely fine to have a minimal story that's just a couple of cliches as long as the developers realize they aren't in this for story writting and keep the gameplay to the fore, like say Doom and Quake. That's a lame story, but because the role of the story is minimised it's not that lame.

The lamest game stories to me are the ones where the story is lame and poorly written but the game just goes on and on about it because it think it's good. Like FF8 (or any other number of JRPGs) or MGS. Those are the ones that are aggravatingly lame.

 

[squid5580]

Spoiler: snip

But as I said if you dislike Halo's story just because Sci Fi action isn't your thing then I can respect that. But not so much just labelling it 'crap' and moving on.

I love Sci Fi and i actually loved Halo 1 at the time (Halo 2 and 3 are just run of the mill i think).

But the story in Halo 2 and 3 still felt shallow and confusing. I have played Halo 1, 2 and 3 from start to finish and i have even played Halo 1 like 2 or 3 times. But i STILL don't get it what happened at the end of Halo 3.


So i killed that giant tentacle monster thing, but how does that explain why the rings were there? Why did the war end just because i killed the monster? What happened to the covenent? Why does Cortana keeð sending me these visions? How did the covenent find earth in Halo 2?

The story has so many plot holes that the story only feels like a setting/a place where the story takes place rather then a actual storyline that progresses in a interesting way.

If you are interested by the story then i suggest you pick up the halo books, they fill in some plot holes, like how they found earth and such as well as adding more depth to the universe. Pretty decent reads if your into that sort of thing.

You shouldn't be forced to buy books or movies to get the whole story from a game. It doesn't make the plot of the game any better.

I hate that argument, You're not being "forced" to buy anything, But if you want all the information to make an educated standpoint then you may have to buy/borrow the books, or at the bare minimum Wiki it.

Why would you hate that arguement? Would you like it better if one said that it is a rip off since they obviously slacked on the game to be able to sell you this crap later on? Or is it you can't say the game's story is good because you need all the other mediums to make the story good that you hate?

But the business models & plans have nothing to do with the story. You cant watch one star wars film then right the whole thing off as crap because your not willing to watch the rest.

Sure I can. If the first one doesn't entertain me then why would I risk my money on the sequels? Although I fail to see what that has to do with the price of tomatoes. At least with the Star Wars trilogy it remained in one medium. If I wanted to know more of the universe there are other mediums out there that I could enjoy. The difference is I don't need to research the plot of Star Wars through books, wiki pages and whatever else. I can sit down watch an entire story which may or may not end with a cliffhanger and if I want to know what happens next I can watch the sequel. I find it absolutely ridiculous you are defending this. No other medium gets a free pass. Oh yeah if you want to know about all the plotholes in the movie buy the book. And you aren't going to be at the ticket stand demanding your money back? Let switch this up buy a half finished novel then go see the movie to fill in the blanks. We want vidoe games to be held to the same standards as movies or TV then we should hold video games to the same standards as movies or TV. None of this "well it is ok because it is a game" excuses.

So basically what your saying is "ignorance is bliss"?

No what I am saying is if you want to claim that a story in a game is good then be sure that it is the game's story you are talking about. What I am saying is when I read a book or see a movie I excpect to see the beginning, middle and end of said story. So why should I expect any less from a game? If a movie has a bunch of nonsensical plotholes it is considered bad. Even if some random person makes up some fan fiction that fills in said holes THE MOVIE IS STILL BAD. No matter how many supplements you add to try and improve it it doesn't matter since it is not going into the movie and changing a thing. Which is where the supplement should have been in the first place.

So basically what I am saying is a bad story in a game is a bad story no matter how many wiki pages and novels and movies that attempt to supplement it.

It all depends on what you class as the story. If you're tarring all three main Halo Games together then you're drawing close to calling the whole Halo Universe, Incorperating the books.

I see the sentiment, and too a point i agree - Example (in films again) I hated Spiderman 3, But only that film, I do like the rest of the "universe". If you hated the comics & said so, then you would assume you hate the whole universe, Including the films & games alike.

It isn't about the "universe." I see absolutely nothing wrong with buiding the universes through different mediums. Star Wars or Spiderman (well OK maybe not Spidey) are ripe with a full world of stories. Spidey is a bit limiting since he is only a single hero and therefore can't encompass a universe and stay focused. Look at the aftermath of the civil war. Spidey did something during and there should have been no going back. It should have changed Spiderman forever but at the same time they had wrote themselves into a corner. Star Wars isn't limited like that. Halo isn't limited like that. Just because MC and Luke starred in the first few doesn't mean the universe has to revolve around them. There is no reason you can't have a Star Wars without Han Solo and the crew. There is no reason you can't have Halo that lacks Master Chief.

The problem I have is when I need to find a wiki page or a book or a movie to get a basic understanding of the story. To fill in the plotholes of the game. Dead Space was the worst for this so far IMO. You practically need to watch the animated movie before you play the game (well after it might spoil the game). You do find bits and pieces of the movie scattered through the game (digitally remastered but c'mon). So to get the full scope of the ship's tale (since it is more about this ship than Issaac, he was just lucky) you need to watch the movie then play the game. Instead of getting the full story from the game (since the movie could have ended the way it did and it would have been fine). Otherwise you start in the middle of the story with the basic understanding of "shit happened" but not much more than that. If the movie had nothing to do with the game other than being in the same universe (complete with references) it would have been great (well better anyways) since they would have had to put more effort into the game's story.

 

[Insanum]

Spoiler: le snip

Spoiler: snip

But as I said if you dislike Halo's story just because Sci Fi action isn't your thing then I can respect that. But not so much just labelling it 'crap' and moving on.

I love Sci Fi and i actually loved Halo 1 at the time (Halo 2 and 3 are just run of the mill i think).

But the story in Halo 2 and 3 still felt shallow and confusing. I have played Halo 1, 2 and 3 from start to finish and i have even played Halo 1 like 2 or 3 times. But i STILL don't get it what happened at the end of Halo 3.


So i killed that giant tentacle monster thing, but how does that explain why the rings were there? Why did the war end just because i killed the monster? What happened to the covenent? Why does Cortana keeð sending me these visions? How did the covenent find earth in Halo 2?

The story has so many plot holes that the story only feels like a setting/a place where the story takes place rather then a actual storyline that progresses in a interesting way.

If you are interested by the story then i suggest you pick up the halo books, they fill in some plot holes, like how they found earth and such as well as adding more depth to the universe. Pretty decent reads if your into that sort of thing.

You shouldn't be forced to buy books or movies to get the whole story from a game. It doesn't make the plot of the game any better.

I hate that argument, You're not being "forced" to buy anything, But if you want all the information to make an educated standpoint then you may have to buy/borrow the books, or at the bare minimum Wiki it.

Why would you hate that arguement? Would you like it better if one said that it is a rip off since they obviously slacked on the game to be able to sell you this crap later on? Or is it you can't say the game's story is good because you need all the other mediums to make the story good that you hate?

But the business models & plans have nothing to do with the story. You cant watch one star wars film then right the whole thing off as crap because your not willing to watch the rest.

Sure I can. If the first one doesn't entertain me then why would I risk my money on the sequels? Although I fail to see what that has to do with the price of tomatoes. At least with the Star Wars trilogy it remained in one medium. If I wanted to know more of the universe there are other mediums out there that I could enjoy. The difference is I don't need to research the plot of Star Wars through books, wiki pages and whatever else. I can sit down watch an entire story which may or may not end with a cliffhanger and if I want to know what happens next I can watch the sequel. I find it absolutely ridiculous you are defending this. No other medium gets a free pass. Oh yeah if you want to know about all the plotholes in the movie buy the book. And you aren't going to be at the ticket stand demanding your money back? Let switch this up buy a half finished novel then go see the movie to fill in the blanks. We want vidoe games to be held to the same standards as movies or TV then we should hold video games to the same standards as movies or TV. None of this "well it is ok because it is a game" excuses.

So basically what your saying is "ignorance is bliss"?

No what I am saying is if you want to claim that a story in a game is good then be sure that it is the game's story you are talking about. What I am saying is when I read a book or see a movie I excpect to see the beginning, middle and end of said story. So why should I expect any less from a game? If a movie has a bunch of nonsensical plotholes it is considered bad. Even if some random person makes up some fan fiction that fills in said holes THE MOVIE IS STILL BAD. No matter how many supplements you add to try and improve it it doesn't matter since it is not going into the movie and changing a thing. Which is where the supplement should have been in the first place.

So basically what I am saying is a bad story in a game is a bad story no matter how many wiki pages and novels and movies that attempt to supplement it.

It all depends on what you class as the story. If you're tarring all three main Halo Games together then you're drawing close to calling the whole Halo Universe, Incorperating the books.

I see the sentiment, and too a point i agree - Example (in films again) I hated Spiderman 3, But only that film, I do like the rest of the "universe". If you hated the comics & said so, then you would assume you hate the whole universe, Including the films & games alike.

It isn't about the "universe." I see absolutely nothing wrong with buiding the universes through different mediums. Star Wars or Spiderman (well OK maybe not Spidey) are ripe with a full world of stories. Spidey is a bit limiting since he is only a single hero and therefore can't encompass a universe and stay focused. Look at the aftermath of the civil war. Spidey did something during and there should have been no going back. It should have changed Spiderman forever but at the same time they had wrote themselves into a corner. Star Wars isn't limited like that. Halo isn't limited like that. Just because MC and Luke starred in the first few doesn't mean the universe has to revolve around them. There is no reason you can't have a Star Wars without Han Solo and the crew. There is no reason you can't have Halo that lacks Master Chief.

The problem I have is when I need to find a wiki page or a book or a movie to get a basic understanding of the story. To fill in the plotholes of the game. Dead Space was the worst for this so far IMO. You practically need to watch the animated movie before you play the game (well after it might spoil the game). You do find bits and pieces of the movie scattered through the game (digitally remastered but c'mon). So to get the full scope of the ship's tale (since it is more about this ship than Issaac, he was just lucky) you need to watch the movie then play the game. Instead of getting the full story from the game (since the movie could have ended the way it did and it would have been fine). Otherwise you start in the middle of the story with the basic understanding of "shit happened" but not much more than that. If the movie had nothing to do with the game other than being in the same universe (complete with references) it would have been great (well better anyways) since they would have had to put more effort into the game's story.

I think we've trailed off a little - The original post was saying that Halo's story was crap. Yes, I will admit there are plotholes the game doesnt answer (Gravemind confused me too) but the story in itself was relatively straightforward - Over-religious Nutjob aliens find a ring which is going to kill everything, Humans blow up the first one (halo 1) and then go home. The covenant find earth and another ring, which once again, The humans blow up (halo 2) and then human resistance on earth find out what the covenant have found in earth, discover the main Hub of rings, Then blow THAT up...(halo 3) Is the main jist really.

As ive said tho, You cant say "halo was crap", As that implies the whole universe was a poor story, Same as if i said "star wars was crap" i'd mean all 6 films, And then tar in the extra's too.

I get your point, You should be able to get the whole point in one game then have to pay extra's too supplement the story, but you have to bear in mind that when a sweeping statement is made its only natural for people too assume you've seen a large majority of whats on offer then just one section.

My Summary: Saying something is crap when you've only seen 30% of it makes you look ignorant, even moreso if you've only seen a sequel and decides it makes no sense.

 

[squid5580]

Spoiler: le snip

Spoiler: snip

But as I said if you dislike Halo's story just because Sci Fi action isn't your thing then I can respect that. But not so much just labelling it 'crap' and moving on.

I love Sci Fi and i actually loved Halo 1 at the time (Halo 2 and 3 are just run of the mill i think).

But the story in Halo 2 and 3 still felt shallow and confusing. I have played Halo 1, 2 and 3 from start to finish and i have even played Halo 1 like 2 or 3 times. But i STILL don't get it what happened at the end of Halo 3.


So i killed that giant tentacle monster thing, but how does that explain why the rings were there? Why did the war end just because i killed the monster? What happened to the covenent? Why does Cortana keeð sending me these visions? How did the covenent find earth in Halo 2?

The story has so many plot holes that the story only feels like a setting/a place where the story takes place rather then a actual storyline that progresses in a interesting way.

If you are interested by the story then i suggest you pick up the halo books, they fill in some plot holes, like how they found earth and such as well as adding more depth to the universe. Pretty decent reads if your into that sort of thing.

You shouldn't be forced to buy books or movies to get the whole story from a game. It doesn't make the plot of the game any better.

I hate that argument, You're not being "forced" to buy anything, But if you want all the information to make an educated standpoint then you may have to buy/borrow the books, or at the bare minimum Wiki it.

Why would you hate that arguement? Would you like it better if one said that it is a rip off since they obviously slacked on the game to be able to sell you this crap later on? Or is it you can't say the game's story is good because you need all the other mediums to make the story good that you hate?

But the business models & plans have nothing to do with the story. You cant watch one star wars film then right the whole thing off as crap because your not willing to watch the rest.

Sure I can. If the first one doesn't entertain me then why would I risk my money on the sequels? Although I fail to see what that has to do with the price of tomatoes. At least with the Star Wars trilogy it remained in one medium. If I wanted to know more of the universe there are other mediums out there that I could enjoy. The difference is I don't need to research the plot of Star Wars through books, wiki pages and whatever else. I can sit down watch an entire story which may or may not end with a cliffhanger and if I want to know what happens next I can watch the sequel. I find it absolutely ridiculous you are defending this. No other medium gets a free pass. Oh yeah if you want to know about all the plotholes in the movie buy the book. And you aren't going to be at the ticket stand demanding your money back? Let switch this up buy a half finished novel then go see the movie to fill in the blanks. We want vidoe games to be held to the same standards as movies or TV then we should hold video games to the same standards as movies or TV. None of this "well it is ok because it is a game" excuses.

So basically what your saying is "ignorance is bliss"?

No what I am saying is if you want to claim that a story in a game is good then be sure that it is the game's story you are talking about. What I am saying is when I read a book or see a movie I excpect to see the beginning, middle and end of said story. So why should I expect any less from a game? If a movie has a bunch of nonsensical plotholes it is considered bad. Even if some random person makes up some fan fiction that fills in said holes THE MOVIE IS STILL BAD. No matter how many supplements you add to try and improve it it doesn't matter since it is not going into the movie and changing a thing. Which is where the supplement should have been in the first place.

So basically what I am saying is a bad story in a game is a bad story no matter how many wiki pages and novels and movies that attempt to supplement it.

It all depends on what you class as the story. If you're tarring all three main Halo Games together then you're drawing close to calling the whole Halo Universe, Incorperating the books.

I see the sentiment, and too a point i agree - Example (in films again) I hated Spiderman 3, But only that film, I do like the rest of the "universe". If you hated the comics & said so, then you would assume you hate the whole universe, Including the films & games alike.

It isn't about the "universe." I see absolutely nothing wrong with buiding the universes through different mediums. Star Wars or Spiderman (well OK maybe not Spidey) are ripe with a full world of stories. Spidey is a bit limiting since he is only a single hero and therefore can't encompass a universe and stay focused. Look at the aftermath of the civil war. Spidey did something during and there should have been no going back. It should have changed Spiderman forever but at the same time they had wrote themselves into a corner. Star Wars isn't limited like that. Halo isn't limited like that. Just because MC and Luke starred in the first few doesn't mean the universe has to revolve around them. There is no reason you can't have a Star Wars without Han Solo and the crew. There is no reason you can't have Halo that lacks Master Chief.

The problem I have is when I need to find a wiki page or a book or a movie to get a basic understanding of the story. To fill in the plotholes of the game. Dead Space was the worst for this so far IMO. You practically need to watch the animated movie before you play the game (well after it might spoil the game). You do find bits and pieces of the movie scattered through the game (digitally remastered but c'mon). So to get the full scope of the ship's tale (since it is more about this ship than Issaac, he was just lucky) you need to watch the movie then play the game. Instead of getting the full story from the game (since the movie could have ended the way it did and it would have been fine). Otherwise you start in the middle of the story with the basic understanding of "shit happened" but not much more than that. If the movie had nothing to do with the game other than being in the same universe (complete with references) it would have been great (well better anyways) since they would have had to put more effort into the game's story.

I think we've trailed off a little - The original post was saying that Halo's story was crap. Yes, I will admit there are plotholes the game doesnt answer (Gravemind confused me too) but the story in itself was relatively straightforward - Over-religious Nutjob aliens find a ring which is going to kill everything, Humans blow up the first one (halo 1) and then go home. The covenant find earth and another ring, which once again, The humans blow up (halo 2) and then human resistance on earth find out what the covenant have found in earth, discover the main Hub of rings, Then blow THAT up...(halo 3) Is the main jist really.

As ive said tho, You cant say "halo was crap", As that implies the whole universe was a poor story, Same as if i said "star wars was crap" i'd mean all 6 films, And then tar in the extra's too.

I get your point, You should be able to get the whole point in one game then have to pay extra's too supplement the story, but you have to bear in mind that when a sweeping statement is made its only natural for people too assume you've seen a large majority of whats on offer then just one section.

My Summary: Saying something is crap when you've only seen 30% of it makes you look like a idiot, even moreso if you've only seen a sequel and decides it makes no sense.

The thing is Halo is crap according to whoever made the original post. So he or she is just as right as you are. You are confusing the universe with the game. Star Wars EP 1-3 were crap. Doesn't mean 4-6 weren't the most epic movies I have ever seen (being 5 yrs old and seeing the originals in the theatres had a huge impact on that statement). You can build the most amazing virtual universe ever dreamed of but if you can't create characters and stories to fill that universe the universe means squat. The universe is just the foundation. You can have the most sturdiest foundation ever but it means squat if you can't build the house on top of it.

How can you expect someone to try 30% of something and not like it, then expect them to invest time and resources into exploring the other 70%. I have played about 30% of GI-Joe Rise of Cobra and I can say in complete honesty the game is crap. All playing the other 70% is going to do is make me depressed and hate it even more.

 

[Insanum]

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But as I said if you dislike Halo's story just because Sci Fi action isn't your thing then I can respect that. But not so much just labelling it 'crap' and moving on.

I love Sci Fi and i actually loved Halo 1 at the time (Halo 2 and 3 are just run of the mill i think).

But the story in Halo 2 and 3 still felt shallow and confusing. I have played Halo 1, 2 and 3 from start to finish and i have even played Halo 1 like 2 or 3 times. But i STILL don't get it what happened at the end of Halo 3.


So i killed that giant tentacle monster thing, but how does that explain why the rings were there? Why did the war end just because i killed the monster? What happened to the covenent? Why does Cortana keeð sending me these visions? How did the covenent find earth in Halo 2?

The story has so many plot holes that the story only feels like a setting/a place where the story takes place rather then a actual storyline that progresses in a interesting way.

If you are interested by the story then i suggest you pick up the halo books, they fill in some plot holes, like how they found earth and such as well as adding more depth to the universe. Pretty decent reads if your into that sort of thing.

You shouldn't be forced to buy books or movies to get the whole story from a game. It doesn't make the plot of the game any better.

I hate that argument, You're not being "forced" to buy anything, But if you want all the information to make an educated standpoint then you may have to buy/borrow the books, or at the bare minimum Wiki it.

Why would you hate that arguement? Would you like it better if one said that it is a rip off since they obviously slacked on the game to be able to sell you this crap later on? Or is it you can't say the game's story is good because you need all the other mediums to make the story good that you hate?

But the business models & plans have nothing to do with the story. You cant watch one star wars film then right the whole thing off as crap because your not willing to watch the rest.

Sure I can. If the first one doesn't entertain me then why would I risk my money on the sequels? Although I fail to see what that has to do with the price of tomatoes. At least with the Star Wars trilogy it remained in one medium. If I wanted to know more of the universe there are other mediums out there that I could enjoy. The difference is I don't need to research the plot of Star Wars through books, wiki pages and whatever else. I can sit down watch an entire story which may or may not end with a cliffhanger and if I want to know what happens next I can watch the sequel. I find it absolutely ridiculous you are defending this. No other medium gets a free pass. Oh yeah if you want to know about all the plotholes in the movie buy the book. And you aren't going to be at the ticket stand demanding your money back? Let switch this up buy a half finished novel then go see the movie to fill in the blanks. We want vidoe games to be held to the same standards as movies or TV then we should hold video games to the same standards as movies or TV. None of this "well it is ok because it is a game" excuses.

So basically what your saying is "ignorance is bliss"?

No what I am saying is if you want to claim that a story in a game is good then be sure that it is the game's story you are talking about. What I am saying is when I read a book or see a movie I excpect to see the beginning, middle and end of said story. So why should I expect any less from a game? If a movie has a bunch of nonsensical plotholes it is considered bad. Even if some random person makes up some fan fiction that fills in said holes THE MOVIE IS STILL BAD. No matter how many supplements you add to try and improve it it doesn't matter since it is not going into the movie and changing a thing. Which is where the supplement should have been in the first place.

So basically what I am saying is a bad story in a game is a bad story no matter how many wiki pages and novels and movies that attempt to supplement it.

It all depends on what you class as the story. If you're tarring all three main Halo Games together then you're drawing close to calling the whole Halo Universe, Incorperating the books.

I see the sentiment, and too a point i agree - Example (in films again) I hated Spiderman 3, But only that film, I do like the rest of the "universe". If you hated the comics & said so, then you would assume you hate the whole universe, Including the films & games alike.

It isn't about the "universe." I see absolutely nothing wrong with buiding the universes through different mediums. Star Wars or Spiderman (well OK maybe not Spidey) are ripe with a full world of stories. Spidey is a bit limiting since he is only a single hero and therefore can't encompass a universe and stay focused. Look at the aftermath of the civil war. Spidey did something during and there should have been no going back. It should have changed Spiderman forever but at the same time they had wrote themselves into a corner. Star Wars isn't limited like that. Halo isn't limited like that. Just because MC and Luke starred in the first few doesn't mean the universe has to revolve around them. There is no reason you can't have a Star Wars without Han Solo and the crew. There is no reason you can't have Halo that lacks Master Chief.

The problem I have is when I need to find a wiki page or a book or a movie to get a basic understanding of the story. To fill in the plotholes of the game. Dead Space was the worst for this so far IMO. You practically need to watch the animated movie before you play the game (well after it might spoil the game). You do find bits and pieces of the movie scattered through the game (digitally remastered but c'mon). So to get the full scope of the ship's tale (since it is more about this ship than Issaac, he was just lucky) you need to watch the movie then play the game. Instead of getting the full story from the game (since the movie could have ended the way it did and it would have been fine). Otherwise you start in the middle of the story with the basic understanding of "shit happened" but not much more than that. If the movie had nothing to do with the game other than being in the same universe (complete with references) it would have been great (well better anyways) since they would have had to put more effort into the game's story.

I think we've trailed off a little - The original post was saying that Halo's story was crap. Yes, I will admit there are plotholes the game doesnt answer (Gravemind confused me too) but the story in itself was relatively straightforward - Over-religious Nutjob aliens find a ring which is going to kill everything, Humans blow up the first one (halo 1) and then go home. The covenant find earth and another ring, which once again, The humans blow up (halo 2) and then human resistance on earth find out what the covenant have found in earth, discover the main Hub of rings, Then blow THAT up...(halo 3) Is the main jist really.

As ive said tho, You cant say "halo was crap", As that implies the whole universe was a poor story, Same as if i said "star wars was crap" i'd mean all 6 films, And then tar in the extra's too.

I get your point, You should be able to get the whole point in one game then have to pay extra's too supplement the story, but you have to bear in mind that when a sweeping statement is made its only natural for people too assume you've seen a large majority of whats on offer then just one section.

My Summary: Saying something is crap when you've only seen 30% of it makes you look like a idiot, even moreso if you've only seen a sequel and decides it makes no sense.

The thing is Halo is crap according to whoever made the original post. So he or she is just as right as you are. You are confusing the universe with the game. Star Wars EP 1-3 were crap. Doesn't mean 4-6 weren't the most epic movies I have ever seen (being 5 yrs old and seeing the originals in the theatres had a huge impact on that statement). You can build the most amazing virtual universe ever dreamed of but if you can't create characters and stories to fill that universe the universe means squat. The universe is just the foundation. You can have the most sturdiest foundation ever but it means squat if you can't build the house on top of it.

How can you expect someone to try 30% of something and not like it, then expect them to invest time and resources into exploring the other 70%. I have played about 30% of GI-Joe Rise of Cobra and I can say in complete honesty the game is crap. All playing the other 70% is going to do is make me depressed and hate it even more.

Ok, But now saying "GI Joe is crap" after playing 30% of a game wouldn't be a fair assessment? The game may be shit, But too tar a whole brand after one bad asset seems a bit ignorant.

 

[squid5580]

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But as I said if you dislike Halo's story just because Sci Fi action isn't your thing then I can respect that. But not so much just labelling it 'crap' and moving on.

I love Sci Fi and i actually loved Halo 1 at the time (Halo 2 and 3 are just run of the mill i think).

But the story in Halo 2 and 3 still felt shallow and confusing. I have played Halo 1, 2 and 3 from start to finish and i have even played Halo 1 like 2 or 3 times. But i STILL don't get it what happened at the end of Halo 3.


So i killed that giant tentacle monster thing, but how does that explain why the rings were there? Why did the war end just because i killed the monster? What happened to the covenent? Why does Cortana keeð sending me these visions? How did the covenent find earth in Halo 2?

The story has so many plot holes that the story only feels like a setting/a place where the story takes place rather then a actual storyline that progresses in a interesting way.

If you are interested by the story then i suggest you pick up the halo books, they fill in some plot holes, like how they found earth and such as well as adding more depth to the universe. Pretty decent reads if your into that sort of thing.

You shouldn't be forced to buy books or movies to get the whole story from a game. It doesn't make the plot of the game any better.

I hate that argument, You're not being "forced" to buy anything, But if you want all the information to make an educated standpoint then you may have to buy/borrow the books, or at the bare minimum Wiki it.

Why would you hate that arguement? Would you like it better if one said that it is a rip off since they obviously slacked on the game to be able to sell you this crap later on? Or is it you can't say the game's story is good because you need all the other mediums to make the story good that you hate?

But the business models & plans have nothing to do with the story. You cant watch one star wars film then right the whole thing off as crap because your not willing to watch the rest.

Sure I can. If the first one doesn't entertain me then why would I risk my money on the sequels? Although I fail to see what that has to do with the price of tomatoes. At least with the Star Wars trilogy it remained in one medium. If I wanted to know more of the universe there are other mediums out there that I could enjoy. The difference is I don't need to research the plot of Star Wars through books, wiki pages and whatever else. I can sit down watch an entire story which may or may not end with a cliffhanger and if I want to know what happens next I can watch the sequel. I find it absolutely ridiculous you are defending this. No other medium gets a free pass. Oh yeah if you want to know about all the plotholes in the movie buy the book. And you aren't going to be at the ticket stand demanding your money back? Let switch this up buy a half finished novel then go see the movie to fill in the blanks. We want vidoe games to be held to the same standards as movies or TV then we should hold video games to the same standards as movies or TV. None of this "well it is ok because it is a game" excuses.

So basically what your saying is "ignorance is bliss"?

No what I am saying is if you want to claim that a story in a game is good then be sure that it is the game's story you are talking about. What I am saying is when I read a book or see a movie I excpect to see the beginning, middle and end of said story. So why should I expect any less from a game? If a movie has a bunch of nonsensical plotholes it is considered bad. Even if some random person makes up some fan fiction that fills in said holes THE MOVIE IS STILL BAD. No matter how many supplements you add to try and improve it it doesn't matter since it is not going into the movie and changing a thing. Which is where the supplement should have been in the first place.

So basically what I am saying is a bad story in a game is a bad story no matter how many wiki pages and novels and movies that attempt to supplement it.

It all depends on what you class as the story. If you're tarring all three main Halo Games together then you're drawing close to calling the whole Halo Universe, Incorperating the books.

I see the sentiment, and too a point i agree - Example (in films again) I hated Spiderman 3, But only that film, I do like the rest of the "universe". If you hated the comics & said so, then you would assume you hate the whole universe, Including the films & games alike.

It isn't about the "universe." I see absolutely nothing wrong with buiding the universes through different mediums. Star Wars or Spiderman (well OK maybe not Spidey) are ripe with a full world of stories. Spidey is a bit limiting since he is only a single hero and therefore can't encompass a universe and stay focused. Look at the aftermath of the civil war. Spidey did something during and there should have been no going back. It should have changed Spiderman forever but at the same time they had wrote themselves into a corner. Star Wars isn't limited like that. Halo isn't limited like that. Just because MC and Luke starred in the first few doesn't mean the universe has to revolve around them. There is no reason you can't have a Star Wars without Han Solo and the crew. There is no reason you can't have Halo that lacks Master Chief.

The problem I have is when I need to find a wiki page or a book or a movie to get a basic understanding of the story. To fill in the plotholes of the game. Dead Space was the worst for this so far IMO. You practically need to watch the animated movie before you play the game (well after it might spoil the game). You do find bits and pieces of the movie scattered through the game (digitally remastered but c'mon). So to get the full scope of the ship's tale (since it is more about this ship than Issaac, he was just lucky) you need to watch the movie then play the game. Instead of getting the full story from the game (since the movie could have ended the way it did and it would have been fine). Otherwise you start in the middle of the story with the basic understanding of "shit happened" but not much more than that. If the movie had nothing to do with the game other than being in the same universe (complete with references) it would have been great (well better anyways) since they would have had to put more effort into the game's story.

I think we've trailed off a little - The original post was saying that Halo's story was crap. Yes, I will admit there are plotholes the game doesnt answer (Gravemind confused me too) but the story in itself was relatively straightforward - Over-religious Nutjob aliens find a ring which is going to kill everything, Humans blow up the first one (halo 1) and then go home. The covenant find earth and another ring, which once again, The humans blow up (halo 2) and then human resistance on earth find out what the covenant have found in earth, discover the main Hub of rings, Then blow THAT up...(halo 3) Is the main jist really.

As ive said tho, You cant say "halo was crap", As that implies the whole universe was a poor story, Same as if i said "star wars was crap" i'd mean all 6 films, And then tar in the extra's too.

I get your point, You should be able to get the whole point in one game then have to pay extra's too supplement the story, but you have to bear in mind that when a sweeping statement is made its only natural for people too assume you've seen a large majority of whats on offer then just one section.

My Summary: Saying something is crap when you've only seen 30% of it makes you look like a idiot, even moreso if you've only seen a sequel and decides it makes no sense.

The thing is Halo is crap according to whoever made the original post. So he or she is just as right as you are. You are confusing the universe with the game. Star Wars EP 1-3 were crap. Doesn't mean 4-6 weren't the most epic movies I have ever seen (being 5 yrs old and seeing the originals in the theatres had a huge impact on that statement). You can build the most amazing virtual universe ever dreamed of but if you can't create characters and stories to fill that universe the universe means squat. The universe is just the foundation. You can have the most sturdiest foundation ever but it means squat if you can't build the house on top of it.

How can you expect someone to try 30% of something and not like it, then expect them to invest time and resources into exploring the other 70%. I have played about 30% of GI-Joe Rise of Cobra and I can say in complete honesty the game is crap. All playing the other 70% is going to do is make me depressed and hate it even more.

Ok, But now saying "GI Joe is crap" after playing 30% of a game wouldn't be a fair assessment? The game may be shit, But too tar a whole brand after one bad asset seems a bit ignorant.

It is all about time though. If my only experience with GI Joe is the game and the game sucks I am not going to invest the 24 hours watching the series, another 2 hours watching the movie. And that is not including the $$$$ it would cost me for something I may not like. You seem to be placing blame at our feet. When the blame really lies with the developers who did the franchise such a disservice. It is thier job to make me fall in love with GI Joe. The whole "you only have one chance to make a first impression" deal.