Larsen and Gregg

[Trunkage]

Alright, people who dislike Brie Larsen for her twitter post. (And I'll remind you that she apologized and said she never meant to ostracize people.)

What offended you so much about Larsen? Why was here apology not good enough. Why is what she said not cool, but this gets a pass:


Because it doesn't make sense to me.

(Well, it does make sense if you take into account genders of the speakers which I highly suspect that it does for some people. Show me otherwise.)

 

[Agema]

Alright, people who dislike Brie Larsen for her twitter post. (And I'll remind you that she apologized and said she never meant to ostracize people.)

I don't even know what this controversy is. Another pointless Twitter molehill, I assume? When are people going to learn that there's a real world out there that's more important to get on with.

 

[Squilookle]

Is it so hard for people to explain what the hell they're on about in their thread OPs? You'll get so much more traffic if people know what you're actually babbling about.

 

[Casual Shinji]

It's a bit foggy for me, because trying to find out what was said leads you to retards like The Quartering and Yellowflash, which I'll avoid like the fucking plague. It's does seem like Brie Larsen might have some egg shells around her, but then even before she had said anything people where already gunning for her. Her comment was simply the starting shot to go all out for these people.

In a nutshell I'd say I don't see Brie Larsen any different from other maybe somewhat condescending Hollywood actors. I enjoyed her previous roles well enough, but I didn't watch Captain Marvel because I just didn't care.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

the title was confusing, at first I thought it was a buddy cop movie title, then possibly a lawyer firm, then moved on to the idea that maybe the food chains Gregg's teamed up with Larson's for some super food chain adventures. the actual topic was a complete surprise

would imagine there's still some twats giving the guy hassle, as that does seem like the kinda collection of words that usually trigger such responses, and males like Jim Sterling attract vitriol for their outspoken views anyway, but it does appear vastly muted in comparison. to be expected, but not accepted

 

[Thaluikhain]

I would also put my name down as thinking it'd be useful if the OP explained what the thread was about better. Googling her brings up something about body language, a feud with some other actor, and an entire 9,000 out of the 20 zillion people who saw her film/s want Captain Marvel to be the other Captain Marvel they like better.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

Mate.

By asking this you're already giving them more credit than they deserve. This isn't an actual discourse, it's a one sided trench war where one side picks statements and freely recontextualizes them to weaponize them. If someone throws a grenade your way, you don't stand around it, trying to figure out what it's made of, you try to be as far away from it as possible. We should treat propaganda like this the same way. If we engage with it we inadvertently help spreading it.

Why are people angry at Larson? Because to them Larson represents Disney and Disney represents an evil jewish conspiracy to subvert western culture. That's all there is to it. It's a conspiracy theory older than film itself. Reactionaries have been digging it out whenever they fear that society is becoming too accepting of progressive values. Don't validate it.

 

[Leg End]

What offended you so much about Larsen? Why was here apology not good enough. Why is what she said not cool, but this gets a pass

Pretty sure he hasn't gotten a pass on it. He's a smug asshole. And you might want to link this for info on what she said, since it seems the whole thread is just confused.

Just

for

the

poke

TL;DR she said the following(lazily taken from USA Today) and got shit on for it.

"I don?t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn?t work about A Wrinkle in Time," said Larson. "It wasn?t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color."

Larson clarified: "Am I saying I hate white dudes? No, I am not. What I am saying is if you make a movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is an insanely low chance a woman of color will have a chance to see your movie, and review your movie."

And OP says that because Gregg is a dude, nobody is shitting on him for what he's saying. Pretty sure he's gotten shit on with her, but there isn't really a pie chart for the shit ratio.

 

[Casual Shinji]

TL;DR she said the following(lazily taken from USA Today) and got shit on for it.

"I don?t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn?t work about A Wrinkle in Time," said Larson. "It wasn?t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color."

Larson clarified: "Am I saying I hate white dudes? No, I am not. What I am saying is if you make a movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is an insanely low chance a woman of color will have a chance to see your movie, and review your movie."

And OP says that because Gregg is a dude, nobody is shitting on him for what he's saying. Pretty sure he's gotten shit on with her, but there isn't really a pie chart for the shit ratio.

If that's true, I can't say I've seen much "coverage" of it. Meanwhile I'm still tripping over Brie Larson hitpieces left and right on YouTube.

 

[Agema]

TL;DR she said the following(lazily taken from USA Today) and got shit on for it.

So, basically, the usual suspect, whiny, YouTube/Twitter etc. peanut gallery blew their heads over a nothingburger, as usual. As if the world really needed detailed analysis of and raging offence over random comments from actors.

 

[Wintermute_v1legacy]

Any chance people will likely ignore Clark Gregg and talk about Brie Larson more because she's 98349 times more famous than Clark Gregg?

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

I'll point to a video I just watched earlier.


I don't think it has all the answers, but I can say that not seeing the interviews and seeing how she responded... There was a bit of it that rubbed me the wrong way.

I personally have issues with Captain Marvel being declared the strongest MCU hero when other characters like Thor and Hulk were significantly depowered for "Believability". Captain Marvel isn't even the strongest character on her team. Arguably that would be either Blue Marvel or Ms America.

Sidebar... Ms America [https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/America_Chavez_(Utopian_Parallel)] would have been THE BEST choice for the Female One Shotter. And I like Spectrum a hell of a lot better.

In short, It's a mixture of Larson's handling of certain things (I don't know her, but the snippets of her interviews didn't leave the best of impressions), Her dismissing others, Her becoming the uber badass when... Hell, has anyone ever really seen the stats for Thor?

Anyway, I really have no skin in the fight. I heard she did an okay job as a character I liked a lot better before. Let her do what she's going to do.

 

[bluegate]

Only thing that'd offend me about Brie Larson is that she isn't my girlfriend... 🤔

 

[Abomination]

Any chance people will likely ignore Clark Gregg and talk about Brie Larson more because she's 98349 times more famous than Clark Gregg?

I must confess, I only know ClarK Gregg as "Agent Coulson".

Brie Larson has a larger following and it's somewhat more difficult to have a "battle" involving Gregg when he does not have the sheer number of combatants on either side or the coverage thereof too.

 

[Saelune]

Brie's issue is she is course and outspoken in a world that expects women in the spotlight to be comforting and kind.

Bullies hate when people stand up to them.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Brie's issue is she is course and outspoken in a world that expects women in the spotlight to be comforting and kind.

Brie's issue is that she's bought into the Great White Saviour idea a bit too hard. Shes a rich white woman from California who thinks shes personally crushing the patriarchy.

Her recent comment about breaking glass ceilings because she was the "first" woman to star in a film that made over a billion dollars is just objectively wrong and incredibly dismissive of other female actresses who've both done it before and managed to do it without minimising the efforts of others before her.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Her recent comment about breaking glass ceilings because she was the "first" woman to star in a film that made over a billion dollars is just objectively wrong and incredibly dismissive of other female actresses who've both done it before and managed to do it without minimising the efforts of others before her.

On the one hand I want to give credit to a female lead superhero movie making this much money, on the other the fact that it's Marvel meant it was probably going to sell regardless. That and it being marketed as the movie you needed to see before Endgame.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

Her recent comment about breaking glass ceilings because she was the "first" woman to star in a film that made over a billion dollars is just objectively wrong and incredibly dismissive of other female actresses who've both done it before and managed to do it without minimising the efforts of others before her.

The actual quote being "I'm grateful to have helped to break the glass ceiling by normalizing the concept that women can also make a billion dollars. I don't know why that was so hard to comprehend in the first place". There's nothing 'objectively wrong' or dismissive about that, rather a statement about the state of Hollywood.

Though I won't pass up the chance to point out the irony of you calling Larson objectively wrong while you yourself are objectively wrong about what she said. The irony is delicious, but more importantly it also highlights the problem Larson has right now: That guys on the internet will accept any mangled or out of context quote from Larson as gospel if it makes it seem as if she's an unreasonable, bigoted radical feminist. There's ample irony in the "trust but verify"-crowd being so incredibly gullible and unconcerned with the verify part.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Her recent comment about breaking glass ceilings because she was the "first" woman to star in a film that made over a billion dollars is just objectively wrong and incredibly dismissive of other female actresses who've both done it before and managed to do it without minimising the efforts of others before her.

The actual quote being "I'm grateful to have helped to break the glass ceiling by normalizing the concept that women can also make a billion dollars. I don't know why that was so hard to comprehend in the first place". There's nothing 'objectively wrong' or dismissive about that, rather a statement about the state of Hollywood.

Though I won't pass up the chance to point out the irony of you calling Larson objectively wrong while you yourself are objectively wrong about what she said. The irony is delicious, but more importantly it also highlights the problem Larson has right now: That guys on the internet will accept any mangled or out of context quote from Larson as gospel if it makes it seem as if she's an unreasonable, bigoted radical feminist. There's ample irony in the "trust but verify"-crowd being so incredibly gullible and unconcerned with the verify part.

My being wrong about the quote doesn't mean I was wrong about her statement. She didn't break any ceilings or normalise anything.