Larsen and Gregg

[Saelune]

Her recent comment about breaking glass ceilings because she was the "first" woman to star in a film that made over a billion dollars is just objectively wrong and incredibly dismissive of other female actresses who've both done it before and managed to do it without minimising the efforts of others before her.

The actual quote being "I'm grateful to have helped to break the glass ceiling by normalizing the concept that women can also make a billion dollars. I don't know why that was so hard to comprehend in the first place". There's nothing 'objectively wrong' or dismissive about that, rather a statement about the state of Hollywood.

Though I won't pass up the chance to point out the irony of you calling Larson objectively wrong while you yourself are objectively wrong about what she said. The irony is delicious, but more importantly it also highlights the problem Larson has right now: That guys on the internet will accept any mangled or out of context quote from Larson as gospel if it makes it seem as if she's an unreasonable, bigoted radical feminist. There's ample irony in the "trust but verify"-crowd being so incredibly gullible and unconcerned with the verify part.

My being wrong about the quote doesn't mean I was wrong about her statement. She didn't break any ceilings or normalise anything.

Yeah it does actually. You were wrong and your entire point was hinged on that misinformation. You're moving goalposts. Any movie that makes over a billion dollars is a big deal, and that it stared a woman lead is also a big deal. Tons of women and girls have been inspired and encouraged by seeing a hero like them. Representation matters. It may not seem like it to straight white men who have their pick of representation, but for the rest of us who are more limited, it matters a lot.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I don't know if I would say marvel is a sure thing or advertising that you need to see something before the next team up movie is a sure thing

Cap America first avenger: the movie you needed to see before the avengers: only made like a few hundred million dollars

And even movies directly following team up movies still didn't break a billion

Captain marvel (and also black panther) made a significant amount of money for having leads that fanboys said would never sell. No matter how much people want to downplay and bury their accomplishments

The first Captain America was still during the "shaky" period of the MCU though. Back then people were still questioning whether The Avengers was even going to work. Even after that succes there were still doubts about Guardians of the Galaxy. As it is now Marvel has cemented itself as pretty much a sure thing, and granted their movies overall are adequate.

But there's definitely a grip on fans that they need to watch the following movie (and end credit scene) in order to be up to date for the next big event (this is my problem in general with these movies), and I'm sure Captain Marvel received a significant boost from it being the last movie before the "final" Avengers. And again, it was heavily built up as 'this character is going to play a big part in Endgame', which ultimately ended up being false.

With something like Wonder Woman it feels a bit more genuine, because at that point the DC movies probably couldn't have a more pathetic image if they tried, and Wonder Woman wasn't exactly the hottest commodity, yet it totally made bank at the box office. Meanwhile Shazam (a male lead superhero movie) didn't do that big in the numbers.

Marvel can screw up, but I feel they've come up with a formula of a steady trail of candy that has geeks by the balls, and they're going watch the next movie regardless. Now in a way it's still pretty surprising seeing this movie do this well seeing as Captain Marvel as a character didn't have that much goodwill, from what I've heard, proir to the movie even being announced.

 

[Saelune]

And again, it was heavily built up as 'this character is going to play a big part in Endgame', which ultimately ended up being false.

This did actually bug me. I thought she was going to be a main character in End Game, but she just book-ended the movie.

 

[Saelune]

Her recent comment about breaking glass ceilings because she was the "first" woman to star in a film that made over a billion dollars is just objectively wrong and incredibly dismissive of other female actresses who've both done it before and managed to do it without minimising the efforts of others before her.

The actual quote being "I'm grateful to have helped to break the glass ceiling by normalizing the concept that women can also make a billion dollars. I don't know why that was so hard to comprehend in the first place". There's nothing 'objectively wrong' or dismissive about that, rather a statement about the state of Hollywood.

Though I won't pass up the chance to point out the irony of you calling Larson objectively wrong while you yourself are objectively wrong about what she said. The irony is delicious, but more importantly it also highlights the problem Larson has right now: That guys on the internet will accept any mangled or out of context quote from Larson as gospel if it makes it seem as if she's an unreasonable, bigoted radical feminist. There's ample irony in the "trust but verify"-crowd being so incredibly gullible and unconcerned with the verify part.

My being wrong about the quote doesn't mean I was wrong about her statement. She didn't break any ceilings or normalise anything.

Yeah it does actually. You were wrong and your entire point was hinged on that misinformation. You're moving goalposts. Any movie that makes over a billion dollars is a big deal, and that it stared a woman lead is also a big deal. Tons of women and girls have been inspired and encouraged by seeing a hero like them. Representation matters. It may not seem like it to straight white men who have their pick of representation, but for the rest of us who are more limited, it matters a lot.

No. My point was that shes taken on the role of Great White Saviour and shes acting like she's a trailblazer when in fact she's done nothing except be cast in a Marvel movie. Women leading billion dollar movies isn't new or even uncommon. Adjusted for inflation 3 of the top 5 highest grossing films of all time are all lead by women, Gone With The Wind being THE highest grossing film of all time. Even recently Force Awakens broke the billion mark as well.

But yes, please tell me how Brie Larson in an very average movie that was advertised as a key film in the culmination of one of the most ambitious cinematic endeavours ever is the saviour of women because she did something others have done several times before but better.

Also Saelune I had a big rant here about how representation is more than just skin colour and genetalia but to be honest I'm not going to bother because it would fall on deaf ears. I'm trying to find a way to explain why I find your responses so infuriating but it's very difficult because I know you view everything through a lens of "WHITE MAN BAD". Or at least things appear that way from your posts.

But if you ever suggest that Brad Pitt represents me again? Then you can go fuck yourself with a fire hydrant.

And how many of those movies are the women bad-asses? How many of those movies are women not tied to a man? Cause frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn.

White men aren't bad. Just the white men who think that anyone who supports progressive values are automatically hating all white men. Plenty of straight white men who aren't afraid to admit that straight white men have most of the power. Who aren't afraid to support and encourage diverse representation. Who aren't afraid to respect women, cause they know that they probably wont be accused of rape just for saying hi to a woman.

I didn't say Brad Pitt represented you, infact that was my point. Cause you also have Chris Pratt, Vin Diesel, Jason Stathom, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Keanu Reaves, Mark Hamill, Paul Rudd, Steve Carell, Sean Bean, Sean Connery, Leonardo DiCaprio, Kit Harrington, Harrison Ford, etc

Also make up your mind, since YOU cant seem to decide if hating white people is good or bad. You criticize some fictional 'White Savior' complex with Brie while also accusing me of hating white people.

 

[Casual Shinji]

And again, it was heavily built up as 'this character is going to play a big part in Endgame', which ultimately ended up being false.

This did actually bug me. I thought she was going to be a main character in End Game, but she just book-ended the movie.

There was a lot of set-up for the Hulk as well (Thor 3, Infinity War) and the movie wasted that too. Carol Danvers could've been used to share a new perspective, or new information, shown what the Snap caused in the rest of the universe, but all of that is just left to the wayside.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

No. My point was that shes taken on the role of Great White Saviour and shes acting like she's a trailblazer when in fact she's done nothing except be cast in a Marvel movie. Women leading billion dollar movies isn't new or even uncommon. Adjusted for inflation 3 of the top 5 highest grossing films of all time are all lead by women, Gone With The Wind being THE highest grossing film of all time. Even recently Force Awakens broke the billion mark as well.

Yeah and we all know how uncontroversial Rey is, right?

It doesn't matter that this was your point though, because you banked it all on misquoting Larson in the grossest way possible to show her "Great White Saviour Complex". This makes you objectively wrong, as the facts do not support the argument you are making. If anything, the actual quote is pretty humble and the subtext is not "I AM SPEZHULSH, ADORE ME MOAR!" but rather "Hollywood should have seen this sooner". So you continue to be objectively wrong, since you are making a character assessment based on the (imaginary) tone of a bogus quote.

 

[Avnger]

And again, it was heavily built up as 'this character is going to play a big part in Endgame', which ultimately ended up being false.

This did actually bug me. I thought she was going to be a main character in End Game, but she just book-ended the movie.

So, take this with a grain of salt as I've definitely not seen it confirmed as anything beyond a grapevine rumor, but I 'd heard that it was largely due to Marvel execs being unsure about how popular she was going to be. Filming for Endgame finished before Captain Marvel was even released; they didn't want to bet on an "unknown" figure.

Also with Captain Marvel still in theaters when Endgame released (I personally saw CM on Saturday followed by EG on Sunday), there's a good chance that fewer people than usual would have seen her movie and know who she is. In contrast, all of the other major characters had either been in Infinity War and/or have had their movies out long enough they've been accessible on places like Hulu, HBO, and Netflix.